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[Michael Beacom]

Hi-

I'm in the market for a pair of mics. Need at least omni and cardiod
patterns. I have a budget of $300 - $350. This is for hobby-level
recording.

I've had good luck recording acoustic bluegrass jams with spaced pair of
omni mics - (KM 83s borrowed from work). Now I want to get a pair to
call my own.

I've been trolling the web for candidates, and found a likely pair-
Studio Projects B3 for a large diaphragm mic, and Studio Projects C4 for
a small diaphragm mic.

I was thinking about the B3s because all my experience is with small
diaphragm mics, and I want to experiment with large diaphragms. Also the
bi-directional option adds extra flexibility. I realize the rule of
thumb calls for small diaphragm mics in my situation.

(If I had my druthers, it would be a pair of modified Oktava MK-012 with
the omni, cardioid and hypercardioid capsules- at about triple my
budget. Or a pair of Rode NT2As at about double the budget. Or both,
really.)

Are there any other choices in my price range I should consider?

Thanks for your advice,
Mike Beacom

[Scott Dorsey]

Michael Beacom wrote:

Are there any other choices in my price range I should consider?

I think in your price range you would be better off just forgetting
about the large diaphragm stuff, forgetting about cardioids, and going
for the best omni mikes you can find.

I'm not sure there IS much of an omni available at $150 a mike, but
I can say that it's a lot easier to make a cheap omni than a cheap
cardioid.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Peter Larsen[_3_]]

Michael Beacom wrote:

I'm in the market for a pair of mics. Need at least omni and cardiod
patterns. I have a budget of $300 - $350. This is for hobby-level
recording.

What Scott said. It is reasonably easy to make a cheap and uncolored omni.
It is so difficult to make an uncolored cardioid that a nearby very skilled
manufacturer of very good omni's hesitated for quite some time.

I've had good luck recording acoustic bluegrass jams with spaced pair
of omni mics - (KM 83s borrowed from work). Now I want to get a pair
to call my own.

If you like the sound of KM 83's then trawl ebay for them and start saving
so that you have the money when a pair becomes avaiable.

I've been trolling the web for candidates,

No. Trolling and trawling are different words.

and found a likely pair-
Studio Projects B3 for a large diaphragm mic, and Studio Projects C4
for a small diaphragm mic.

That's not a pair. Two C4's would be. I don't know them, but small membranes
have less space for sonic trouble than large membranes. The larger they are
the more "issues" there is room for.

I was thinking about the B3s because all my experience is with small
diaphragm mics, and I want to experiment with large diaphragms. Also
the bi-directional option adds extra flexibility. I realize the rule
of thumb calls for small diaphragm mics in my situation.

Which is to say that asking for whether the above combination is a good
alternative pair is quite close to what some could describe as trolling the
usenet.

(If I had my druthers, it would be a pair of modified Oktava MK-012
with the omni, cardioid and hypercardioid capsules- at about triple my
budget. Or a pair of Rode NT2As at about double the budget. Or both,
really.)

I'm not too fond of the Oktava's, I think their treble is strange, but
that's just me, many do like them. They are also more like a Lada in overall
sturdiness than like a Beetle.

Are there any other choices in my price range I should consider?

Based on specs and price you shoild look at Marshall's small membrane mics
and at Behringer C2's and search for a document called "the stereophonic
zoom" and learn how to make stereophonic recordings. Your idea of getting
one large membrane mic and one small membrane mic suggests that you have
great opportunities for learning.

Thanks for your advice,

Thank you for asking a good newbie question that allowed a broad general
followup that hopefully can help other people with the same or similar
question.

Mike Beacom

Kind regards

Peter Larsen

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On Aug 28, 7:06*pm, Michael Beacom wrote:
Hi-

I'm in the market for a pair of mics. Need at least omni and cardiod
patterns. I have a budget of $300 - $350. This is for hobby-level
recording.

I've had good luck recording acoustic bluegrass jams with spaced pair of
omni mics - (KM 83s borrowed from work). Now I want to get a pair to
call my own.

I've been trolling the web for candidates, and found a likely pair-
Studio Projects B3 for a large diaphragm mic, and Studio Projects C4 for
a small diaphragm mic.

I was thinking about the B3s because all my experience is with small
diaphragm mics, and I want to experiment with large diaphragms. Also the
bi-directional option adds extra flexibility. I realize the rule of
thumb calls for small diaphragm mics in my situation.

(If I had my druthers, it would be a pair of modified Oktava MK-012 with
the omni, cardioid and hypercardioid capsules- at about triple my
budget. Or a pair of Rode NT2As at about double the budget. Or both,
really.)

Are there any other choices in my price range I should consider?

Thanks for your advice,
Mike Beacom

Check out the Studio Projects C4. A pair of small cap condensors with
omni and cardiod heads for about $350 for the pair in a case with
shock mounts.

[Michael Beacom]

In article
,
Michael Beacom wrote:

Hi-

I'm in the market for a pair of mics. Need at least omni and cardiod
patterns. I have a budget of $300 - $350. This is for hobby-level
recording.

I've had good luck recording acoustic bluegrass jams with spaced pair of
omni mics - (KM 83s borrowed from work). Now I want to get a pair to
call my own.

I've been trolling the web for candidates, and found a likely pair-
Studio Projects B3 for a large diaphragm mic, and Studio Projects C4 for
a small diaphragm mic.


Good point- "trawling" is a much better word choice.

I intended to say that I was looking for a pair of mics, two large OR
two small diaphragm mics.


I was thinking about the B3s because all my experience is with small
diaphragm mics, and I want to experiment with large diaphragms. Also the
bi-directional option adds extra flexibility. I realize the rule of
thumb calls for small diaphragm mics in my situation.

(If I had my druthers, it would be a pair of modified Oktava MK-012 with
the omni, cardioid and hypercardioid capsules- at about triple my
budget. Or a pair of Rode NT2As at about double the budget. Or both,
really.)

Are there any other choices in my price range I should consider?

Thanks for your advice,
Mike Beacom

Thanks for your help, and recommendations.
Mike

[Tom Jancauskas]

in article ,
Michael Beacom at wrote on 8/28/08 9:06 PM:

Hi-

I'm in the market for a pair of mics. Need at least omni and cardiod
patterns. I have a budget of $300 - $350. This is for hobby-level
recording.

I've had good luck recording acoustic bluegrass jams with spaced pair of
omni mics - (KM 83s borrowed from work). Now I want to get a pair to
call my own.

I've been trolling the web for candidates, and found a likely pair-
Studio Projects B3 for a large diaphragm mic, and Studio Projects C4 for
a small diaphragm mic.

I was thinking about the B3s because all my experience is with small
diaphragm mics, and I want to experiment with large diaphragms. Also the
bi-directional option adds extra flexibility. I realize the rule of
thumb calls for small diaphragm mics in my situation.

(If I had my druthers, it would be a pair of modified Oktava MK-012 with
the omni, cardioid and hypercardioid capsules- at about triple my
budget. Or a pair of Rode NT2As at about double the budget. Or both,
really.)

Are there any other choices in my price range I should consider?

Thanks for your advice,
Mike Beacom


I have had very good result with the MXL 604's. They have both cardioid and
omni capsules. Good bang for the buck. They're no Schoeps, but they should
do you fine.
--
Tom Jancauskas
Imedia

[Monty Parts]

wrote:

Check out the Studio Projects C4. A pair of small cap condensors with
omni and cardiod heads for about $350 for the pair in a case with
shock mounts.

I second that endorsement.

If you hit Ebay or your local Craigslist you can find the C4's for $225
or less used. To my view it's a very good set of Omni/Cardiod SDC mics
for the home studio market.

PN