[Patrick Turner]

On Aug 29, 10:24*pm, "Arny Krueger" wrote:
"Patrick Turner" wrote in message

...

I'll leave the task of replying to most of Flipper's post below to
someone else. Flipper and I will never ever have much in common, and
I'd suggest its pointless to discuss life issues with him.

I'd suggest its pointless to discuss anything at all with you Patrick with
the hope that you'd learn something from that discussion. Your ability to
ignore evidence that disagrees with your blind prejudices which are many,
is well known to many who post and lurk here. Sometimes that is actually a
good thing, but the exceptions are many and apparently unknown to you.

Arny, if I had a dollar for every time I disagreed with you, I'd be
stinking rich.

You have never ever posted anything of value with regard to vacuum
tube use on this news group, but plenty of BS instead.

I don't care who disagrees with me or what ppl call me. If I had a
dollar for every time I made someone else got angry because I'm not
sucked in and not convinced of anything off topic, I'd be stinking
rich, and hey its a free country, free internet, and people abound who
will think differently to you, Flipper, and many others.

Patrick Turner.

[Arny Krueger[_4_]]

"Patrick Turner" wrote in message
...
On Aug 29, 10:24 pm, "Arny Krueger" wrote:
"Patrick Turner" wrote in message

...

I'll leave the task of replying to most of Flipper's post below to
someone else. Flipper and I will never ever have much in common, and
I'd suggest its pointless to discuss life issues with him.

I'd suggest its pointless to discuss anything at all with you Patrick with
the hope that you'd learn something from that discussion. Your ability to
ignore evidence that disagrees with your blind prejudices which are many,
is well known to many who post and lurk here. Sometimes that is actually a
good thing, but the exceptions are many and apparently unknown to you.

Arny, if I had a dollar for every time I disagreed with you, I'd be
stinking rich.

If you agreed with me more Patrick, you'd probably be at least marginally
richer.

You have never ever posted anything of value with regard to vacuum
tube use on this news group, but plenty of BS instead.

That is of course a lie, but this isn't about tubes, its about your typical
ignorant posting about things you are not nearly as competent about as you
are with tubes.

I don't care who disagrees with me or what ppl call me.

This post shows that you are not very self-aware. You care enough about me
disagreeing with you to reply.

If I had aollar for every time I made someone else got angry because I'm
not
sucked in and not convinced of anything off topic, I'd be stinking
rich, and hey its a free country, free internet, and people abound who
will think differently to you, Flipper, and many others.

Typcial of your inability to reason obvious facts logically, Patrick. This
is not about limiting your free speech, but rather about encouraging you do
post only about areas where you have significant competence to share.
Clearly your understanding of economics is far less than your understanding
of tubes.

Patrick Turner.

[Patrick Turner]

I said :- You have never ever posted anything of value with regard to
vacuum tube use on this news group, but plenty of BS instead.

Arny replies with :-
That is of course a lie, but this isn't about tubes, its about your typical
ignorant posting about things you are not nearly as competent about as you
are with tubes.

There is not a shred of evidence to suggest I lied about Arny's
despicable record when it comes to tubes.

As for the off topic, call me a liar if you wish but millions agree
with me and they know like I know there's no point arguing about off
topic. Nobody listens, nobody learns, and everyone's ego dis-allows
back downs and un-moderated groups allows anyone to say anything,
bordering on the pstchopathic. And there is no rule that I MUST waste
5 hours a day to reply to the vaccuous posts I read where I find they
are jus - vacuous, empty, leading to nothing. I don't have time to
waste.

I have no intention of replying more than I do, I don't care if I'm
judged to be arrogant, whatever, because all those accusers are the
same or 20db worse. It IS A FREE WORLD and if anyone don't like how
things are in such a world then too bad, go find some other world, but
while I'm alive, able to type, I'll be around. I welcome everyone to
share the world, but I'll tell 'em when I think they are just BS'ing,
or I might not tell 'em anything. I sure don't have unlimited replying
abilities

NONE of anyone here are "competent" about off topic ideas. How could
anyone be Arny? The fact is that most off topic issues are not able to
be agreed upon even amoung top expert economists, political
commentators and many scientists or anyone else whose spent 10 years
at a university. So while thay all argue amoung themselves, what
chance is there than anyone here has "the right idea" about anything?

Problems and shortcomings of our species deserve my merciless
criticism and and unless such problems are repeatedly pointed out and
people world wide are made aware of all there can be no alteration of
the progress of human and all other life on Earth towards DOOM rather
sooner than many might prefer.
Innovations and solutions to improve life on Earth can only come when
problems are understood fully rather than avoided by keeping heads
stuck in sand, or by denying there's a problem, or allowing the rich
to trample on the poor etc, etc, etc.

There's good money to be made with many schemes to make much of our
planetary abuse cease, but many are reluctant to change; they prefer
being ****s&arsoles all their life.

Patrick Turner.

[Arny Krueger[_4_]]

"Patrick Turner" wrote in message
...

I said :- You have never ever posted anything of value with regard to
vacuum tube use on this news group, but plenty of BS instead.

Arny replies with :-
That is of course a lie, but this isn't about tubes, its about your
typical
ignorant posting about things you are not nearly as competent about as
you
are with tubes.

There is not a shred of evidence to suggest I lied about Arny's
despicable record when it comes to tubes.

The evidence is the posts I've made here about tube use. Its there in
google.

You may wish to ignore them Patrick, but they are in the google record, and
your repeated denial of their existence only serves to raise questions about
your mental state.

Why have you ever denied they exist?

Why do you continue to deny that they exist?

Answer: Patrrick, it is obviously very important to you that your false
claims about my involvement and writing about tubes be perpetuated.

[Patrick Turner]

On Sep 1, 12:10*am, "Arny Krueger" wrote:
"Patrick Turner" wrote in message

...

I said :- *You have never ever posted anything of value with regard to
vacuum * tube use on this news group, but plenty of BS instead.
Arny replies with :-
That is of course a lie, but this isn't about tubes, its about your
typical
ignorant posting about things you are not nearly as competent about as
you
are with tubes.
There is not a shred of evidence to suggest I lied about Arny's
despicable record when it comes to tubes.

The evidence is the posts I've made here about tube use. Its there in
google.

Nothing is there in Google from you which is worth anyone reading. You
have never ever posted a positive post about tube use. You have always
been the most negative of ppl about the use of any tube anywhere while
constantly supporting the use of solid state.

You may wish to ignore them Patrick, but they are in the google record, and
your repeated denial of their existence only serves to raise questions about
your mental state.

Sure Arny, you ****in buffoon!

Why have you ever denied they exist?

Why do you continue to deny that they exist?

Answer: Patrrick, it is obviously very important to you that your false
claims about my involvement and writing about tubes be perpetuated.

Arny, try rec.audio.solid state, maybe they'll luv ya, but everyone
hated you here. Why are there not 100 posts a day here anymore? -
because ****s like you made it a torrid place for anyone to discuss
tubes. There were enough other miserable *******s here as well as you
who gave everyone a torrid time, ie, bullying ppl to a pulp hence most
ppl dissappeared to where they would, for example, not be hoisted on a
pike up the arsehole for suggesting a 300B amp could give audio
nivirna.

Please discuss in detail your last tube project you built recently,
ie, within the last 6 months.

Patrick Turner.

[Arny Krueger[_4_]]

"Patrick Turner" wrote in message
...
On Sep 1, 12:10 am, "Arny Krueger" wrote:
"Patrick Turner" wrote in message

...

I said :- You have never ever posted anything of value with regard to
vacuum tube use on this news group, but plenty of BS instead.
Arny replies with :-

That is of course a lie, but this isn't about tubes, its about your
typical
ignorant posting about things you are not nearly as competent about as
you
are with tubes.

There is not a shred of evidence to suggest I lied about Arny's
despicable record when it comes to tubes.

The evidence is the posts I've made here about tube use. Its there in
google.

Nothing is there in Google from you which is worth anyone reading.

As usual Patrick, when cornered you change your story. Whether or not the
posts you now admit I made about tubes are worth reading has now been
changed into a matter of your judgement, not actual fact. You have to
denigrate what I've written to feel good about yourself.

Patrick, you made a statement of fact, which is that I have never posted
anything of value. Whether you like what I've posted does not bear on that
fact. This is really all about your hatred of me, which is based on the fact
that very infrequnetly, and only when faced with egregious errors, I call
you to task for your false claims. If you stuck to what you know you would
be a better person.

[Arny Krueger[_4_]]

"flipper" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 1 Sep 2011 08:06:38 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:


"Patrick Turner" wrote in message
...
On Sep 1, 12:10 am, "Arny Krueger" wrote:
"Patrick Turner" wrote in message

...

I said :- You have never ever posted anything of value with regard to
vacuum tube use on this news group, but plenty of BS instead.
Arny replies with :-

That is of course a lie, but this isn't about tubes, its about your
typical
ignorant posting about things you are not nearly as competent about
as
you
are with tubes.

There is not a shred of evidence to suggest I lied about Arny's
despicable record when it comes to tubes.

The evidence is the posts I've made here about tube use. Its there in
google.

Nothing is there in Google from you which is worth anyone reading.

As usual Patrick, when cornered you change your story.

Well, perhaps he's done it before but not in this case. He began with
'value' and still says 'worth'.

That's not the issue. The problem is Patrick's false and misleading claims
about US production. Check his post from 8/28 @ 7.34 EST.

[Patrick Turner]

On Sep 2, 8:14*am, flipper wrote:
On Thu, 1 Sep 2011 08:06:38 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:


"Patrick Turner" wrote in message
....
On Sep 1, 12:10 am, "Arny Krueger" wrote:
"Patrick Turner" wrote in message

....

I said :- You have never ever posted anything of value with regard to
vacuum tube use on this news group, but plenty of BS instead.
Arny replies with :-

That is of course a lie, but this isn't about tubes, its about your
typical
ignorant posting about things you are not nearly as competent about as
you
are with tubes.

There is not a shred of evidence to suggest I lied about Arny's
despicable record when it comes to tubes.

The evidence is the posts I've made here about tube use. Its there in
google.

Nothing is there in Google from you which is worth anyone reading.

As usual Patrick, when cornered you change your story.

Well, perhaps he's done it before but not in this case. He began with
'value' and still says 'worth'.

You were right spot with "this isn't about tubes" but, unfortunately,
couldn't resist responding in kind to the ad hominem. I can understand
why, it's a 'natural reaction', but it's exactly what that kind of
tactic relies on.

Just look at that last post. There's not one word of what "this isn't
about tubes" was. Instead, there's nothing but the diversionary
opinion ****ing contest.

It worked.

Whether or not the
posts you now admit I made about tubes

He didn't deny you 'made posts'.

are worth reading has now been
changed into a matter of your judgement,

It always was.

"Value/worth" is always a matter of opinion, especially when speaking
of 'what someone said'.

not actual fact.

How would you establish a 'factual' basis for a missive's 'worth',
since that too would be an 'opinion'?

Even if someone paid for it, supposedly establishing a 'value', the
next person might just as well claim "I don't know why the idiot paid
good money because it isn't worth the ink wasted to write it."

I hear some people have that opinion of Shakespeare's work.

You have to
denigrate what I've written to feel good about yourself.

What a great STINKING PILE OF ****ING MANURE! This post from Flipper
has to be the MOST bull**** riddled pile of **** I have eaver heard.

Patrick has denigrated just about everyone, living or dead, past
present and future, including the species as a whole. It's not 'new'
nor unique to you.

I have NOT, quote, "denigrated just about everyone, living or dead,
past or future, including the species as a whole."

I've only ever had TIME to denigrate all the offenders and hasteners
of human caused degradation of this Planet. There are those MILLIONS
who you never are willing to aknowledge exist, who agree with me and
don't lead live which **** the Planet sooner rather than later. Got
it?, or are you a complete ****in moron?

There are seven vices and seven virtues, and I'm on virtue's side, and
nobody really knows what side Flipper is on, but from what we've seen,
who'd wanna live next door to Flipper?

Flipper does not understand that mankind and his wife and kids need to
change rather more than he likes to accomodate their own long term
healthy future.


Patrick Turner.

[Patrick Turner]

On Sep 2, 12:38*pm, flipper wrote:
On Thu, 1 Sep 2011 18:47:52 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:







"flipper" wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 1 Sep 2011 08:06:38 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"Patrick Turner" wrote in message
....
On Sep 1, 12:10 am, "Arny Krueger" wrote:
"Patrick Turner" wrote in message

...

I said :- You have never ever posted anything of value with regard to
vacuum tube use on this news group, but plenty of BS instead.
Arny replies with :-

That is of course a lie, but this isn't about tubes, its about your
typical
ignorant posting about things you are not nearly as competent about
as
you
are with tubes.

There is not a shred of evidence to suggest I lied about Arny's
despicable record when it comes to tubes.

The evidence is the posts I've made here about tube use. Its there in
google.

Nothing is there in Google from you which is worth anyone reading.

As usual Patrick, when cornered you change your story.

Well, perhaps he's done it before but not in this case. He began with
'value' and still says 'worth'.

That's not the issue. The problem is Patrick's false and misleading claims
about US production. Check his post from 8/28 @ 7.34 EST.

Yes it was, before you let him draw you into a ****ing contest about
whether your 'tube posts' had any 'value'.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

FACT 1. Arny has never ever described to us in detail a method of
using tubes which delights those who are genuinely interested in tube
use, in preference to all other known methods with solid state.

FACT 2. Arny has always poured **** on tube craft, and maintained a
destructive influence at rec.audio.tubes.

FACT 3. None of the above affects me much and I plan to be here in
future.

Arny is welcome to tell us his progress at making an exceptional
single ended triode amplifier, or radio set, or guitar amp, or PP tube
amplifier.

Off topic discussions are always welcome at rec.audio.tubes and they
may be ignored by those bored by suchlike, but OT posters must not
mind being called a ****wit etc for holding views which lessen the
quality of life on the Planet.

OT posters are forgiven in advance for being inconsistant and
untruthful because nobody is perfect, especially when OT subjects
cannot be fully known about, even though OT posters hold serious
beliefs which might completely be at odds with the vast majority of
scientific research so far established. But while forgiven, BS pedlers
need stern criticisms, lest they begin to spin from too much BS in
ever decreasing circles, finanally disappearing up their own arsoles.

Patrick Turner.

[Arny Krueger[_4_]]

"Patrick Turner" wrote in message
...

FACT 1. Arny has never ever described to us in detail a method of
using tubes which delights those who are genuinely interested in tube
use, in preference to all other known methods with solid state.

This is a completely subjective judgement. The gorup to be pleased is
defined 100% subjectively, and the results to be obtained is 100%
subjective. Classic example of OSAF.

ACT 2. Arny has always poured **** on tube craft, and maintained a
destructive influence at rec.audio.tubes.

A false claim. Patrick apparently thinks that unless you're an evangelist
for tubes, you are destructive. Neutrality is not allowed. The most
believable thing that Patrick has ever posted about his relationship with
tubes is his admission that he has chosen to be a builder of tubed equipment
because that is where the money is, and that he tried and failed to obtain
similar self-gratifying results with SS equipment.

ACT 3. None of the above affects me much and I plan to be here in future.

An example of Patrick's self-delusion, because I can make him spin out of
control at will. That is, unless you have missed it so far, and example of
affecting Patrick.

But none of the above is on-topic because my OP in this thead was not about
tubes, about rather about Patricks xenophoibic, anti-US, and poorly-informed
claims about the world economy.

[Patrick Turner]

On Sep 2, 10:23*pm, "Arny Krueger" wrote:
"Patrick Turner" wrote in message

...

FACT 1. Arny has never ever described to us in detail a method of

using tubes which delights those who are genuinely interested in tube
use, in preference to all other known methods with solid state.

This is a completely subjective judgement. *The gorup to be pleased is
defined 100% subjectively, and the results to be obtained is 100%
subjective. Classic example of OSAF.

ACT 2. Arny has always poured **** on tube craft, and maintained a

destructive influence at rec.audio.tubes.

A false claim. Patrick apparently thinks that unless you're an evangelist
for tubes, you are destructive. Neutrality is not allowed. The most
believable thing that Patrick has ever posted about his relationship with
tubes is his admission that he has chosen to be a builder of tubed equipment
because that is where the money is, and that he tried and failed to obtain
similar self-gratifying results with SS equipment.

ACT 3. None of the above affects me much and I plan to be here in future..

An example of Patrick's self-delusion, because I can make him spin out of
control at will. That is, unless you have missed it so far, and example of
affecting Patrick.

But none of the above is on-topic because my OP in this thead was not about
tubes, about rather about Patricks xenophoibic, anti-US, and poorly-informed
claims about the world economy.

The world knows Arny hates tubes. And millions will disagree with his
views on the world.

He is a stupid masochist to come here and type stuff to us.

Patrick Turner.

[Patrick Turner]

On Sep 3, 5:35*am, flipper wrote:
On Fri, 2 Sep 2011 01:41:46 -0700 (PDT), Patrick Turner





wrote:
On Sep 2, 8:14*am, flipper wrote:
On Thu, 1 Sep 2011 08:06:38 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"Patrick Turner" wrote in message
...
On Sep 1, 12:10 am, "Arny Krueger" wrote:
"Patrick Turner" wrote in message

...

I said :- You have never ever posted anything of value with regard to
vacuum tube use on this news group, but plenty of BS instead.
Arny replies with :-

That is of course a lie, but this isn't about tubes, its about your
typical
ignorant posting about things you are not nearly as competent about as
you
are with tubes.

There is not a shred of evidence to suggest I lied about Arny's
despicable record when it comes to tubes.

The evidence is the posts I've made here about tube use. Its there in
google.

Nothing is there in Google from you which is worth anyone reading.

As usual Patrick, when cornered you change your story.

Well, perhaps he's done it before but not in this case. He began with
'value' and still says 'worth'.

You were right spot with "this isn't about tubes" but, unfortunately,
couldn't resist responding in kind to the ad hominem. I can understand
why, it's a 'natural reaction', but it's exactly what that kind of
tactic relies on.

Just look at that last post. There's not one word of what "this isn't
about tubes" was. Instead, there's nothing but the diversionary
opinion ****ing contest.

It worked.

Whether or not the
posts you now admit I made about tubes

He didn't deny you 'made posts'.

are worth reading has now been
changed into a matter of your judgement,

It always was.

"Value/worth" is always a matter of opinion, especially when speaking
of 'what someone said'.

not actual fact.

How would you establish a 'factual' basis for a missive's 'worth',
since that too would be an 'opinion'?

Even if someone paid for it, supposedly establishing a 'value', the
next person might just as well claim "I don't know why the idiot paid
good money because it isn't worth the ink wasted to write it."

I hear some people have that opinion of Shakespeare's work.

You have to
denigrate what I've written to feel good about yourself.

What a great STINKING PILE OF ****ING MANURE! This post from Flipper
has to be the MOST bull**** riddled pile of **** I have eaver heard.

You should try listening to yourself.

Patrick has denigrated just about everyone, living or dead, past
present and future, including the species as a whole. It's not 'new'
nor unique to you.

I have NOT, quote, "denigrated just about everyone, living or dead,
past or future, including the species as a whole."

It's the only thing you do.

I've only ever had TIME to denigrate all the offenders and hasteners
of human caused degradation of this Planet.

I.E. Mankind.

There are those MILLIONS
who you never are willing to aknowledge exist,

Take a group photo.

who agree with me and
don't lead live which **** the Planet sooner rather than later. Got
it?, or are you a complete ****in moron?

Yeah, I 'got it'. Your claimed 'virtue' is a slow **** of the Planet.

There are seven vices and seven virtues, and I'm on virtue's side,

Which of those reworked "seven virtues" is socialist theft?

and
nobody really knows what side Flipper is on,

You would if you'd ever read anything.

but from what we've seen,
who'd wanna live next door to Flipper?

In my world you're free to live wherever you like and I don't bitch
about it.

Flipper does not understand that mankind and his wife and kids need to
change rather more than he likes to accomodate their own long term
healthy future.

That mankind, and his wife and kids (did we leave anyone out?) "need
to change" or he's doomed doomed doomed is apparently what you
consider a 'compliment' rather than a denigration.

YAWN !

Patrick Turner.

[Phread[_2_]]

Patrick Turner wrote:
On Sep 1, 12:10 am, "Arny Krueger" wrote:
"Patrick Turner" wrote in message

...

I said :- You have never ever posted anything of value with regard
to vacuum tube use on this news group, but plenty of BS instead.
Arny replies with :-
That is of course a lie, but this isn't about tubes, its about your
typical
ignorant posting about things you are not nearly as competent
about as you
are with tubes.
There is not a shred of evidence to suggest I lied about Arny's
despicable record when it comes to tubes.

The evidence is the posts I've made here about tube use. Its there in
google.

Nothing is there in Google from you which is worth anyone reading. You
have never ever posted a positive post about tube use. You have always
been the most negative of ppl about the use of any tube anywhere while
constantly supporting the use of solid state.

You may wish to ignore them Patrick, but they are in the google
record, and your repeated denial of their existence only serves to
raise questions about your mental state.

Sure Arny, you ****in buffoon!

Why have you ever denied they exist?

Why do you continue to deny that they exist?

Answer: Patrrick, it is obviously very important to you that your
false claims about my involvement and writing about tubes be
perpetuated.

Arny, try rec.audio.solid state, maybe they'll luv ya, but everyone
hated you here. Why are there not 100 posts a day here anymore? -
because ****s like you made it a torrid place for anyone to discuss
tubes. There were enough other miserable *******s here as well as you
who gave everyone a torrid time, ie, bullying ppl to a pulp hence most
ppl dissappeared to where they would, for example, not be hoisted on a
pike up the arsehole for suggesting a 300B amp could give audio
nivirna.

Patrick, if you want to know who destroyed RAT, you need look no further
than that great purveyor of horse ****, Andre Jute. His sole mission here,
after he was repeatedly embarrassed both personally and professionally
in the Magnequest debacle, was to destroy this group. Unfortunately, in
the end he succeeded. Andre, if you're reading this, go **** yourself,
you horse's ass.

Fred

Please discuss in detail your last tube project you built recently,
ie, within the last 6 months.

Patrick Turner.

[Arny Krueger[_4_]]

"Patrick Turner" wrote in message
...
On Sep 2, 10:23 pm, "Arny Krueger" wrote:

The world knows Arny hates tubes.

That would be a false claim based on Patrick's delusional belief that he can
read people's minds.

In reality, I believe that tubes have their place, even in the modern world.

And millions will disagree with his views on the world.

You actually don't know what my views on tubes are, Patrick. This post
proves it.

[Patrick Turner]

On Sep 4, 7:04*pm, "Arny Krueger" wrote:
"Patrick Turner" wrote in message

...
On Sep 2, 10:23 pm, "Arny Krueger" wrote:

The world knows Arny hates tubes.

That would be a false claim based on Patrick's delusional belief that he can
read people's minds.

In reality, I believe that tubes have their place, even in the modern world.

And millions will disagree with *his views on the world.

You actually don't know what my views on tubes are, Patrick. This post
proves it.

Arny has no webisite extolling the virtues of vacuum tubes and showing
ppl how to use them effectively.

He is only at r.a.t because he's a desperate psychopath who likes to
argue and argue and twist everything anyone says around and afaiac, he
should JUST **** OFF.

Patrick Turner.

[Arny Krueger[_4_]]

"Patrick Turner" wrote in message
...
On Sep 4, 7:04 pm, "Arny Krueger" wrote:
"Patrick Turner" wrote in message

...
On Sep 2, 10:23 pm, "Arny Krueger" wrote:

The world knows Arny hates tubes.

That would be a false claim based on Patrick's delusional belief that he
can
read people's minds.

In reality, I believe that tubes have their place, even in the modern
world.

And millions will disagree with his views on the world.

You actually don't know what my views on tubes are, Patrick. This post
proves it.

Arny has no webisite extolling the virtues of vacuum tubes and showing ppl
how to use them effectively.

Actually, I have no public web sites at all.

He is only at r.a.t because he's a desperate psychopath who likes to
argue and argue and twist everything anyone says around and afaiac, he
should JUST **** OFF.

Not at all. I spent a lot of time working with tubes in the past and I have
a sentimental soft spot for them.

Unfortuntately Patrick, your posts portray you to be a bitter little man in
the real of politics and intrapersonal skills.