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I think I can help you with a very simple tip to make your decision. You don't need to bring home a sample of alternative cable. Just take your own cable into the demo room of that HiFi store. Listen any kind of acoustic record. Listen to the echos and the ringing out timesof any instrument. Which longer rings is your future cable, take that one, ready. Go home and enjoy the music!


Hint: Use recordings of undamped instruments for ultimate frustration.



What's the problem? The sound will because can not ring longer than the record contents. If it by one cable shorter is than by the other one, then that cable is guilty, thow it away. Every other things like "tight and deep bass" or "brilliance" comes automatically.

Cheers,
Johann Spischak
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Get out of this group.

You've already made apest of yourself enough in rec.audio.pro.



You must have had a difficult childhood.
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I think I can help you with a very simple tip to make
your decision.


That would be good.

You don't need to bring home a sample of
alternative cable.


True, because unlike speaker cables, there is no way that a 1 meter
interconnect in good operating condition can have one iota of effect on the
sound of your system.

About the only way a 1 meter interconnect in good operating condition can
have one iota of effect on the sound of your system is if the distance
between the components is ? 1 meter.

Just take your own cable into the demo
room of that HiFi store.


This looks like the sort of advice that will unnecessarily cost you money.

Listen any kind of acoustic record.


If you do this, the sales man will know that he's got a real sucker on his
hands. He's looking for clueless individuals, people with far more money
than brains, and doing this will clearly identify you to him, as well as
the rest of us, as being such a person.

Listen to the echoes and the ringing out times of
any instrument.


How broke does a cable have to be to affect reverb tails? The answer is
terribly broken. If you actually have a cable that does this, my diagnosis
would be corrosion on some contacts. If you were to have this problem, it is
an indication that the last cables you bought were real trash. Good quality
cables have essentially an unlimited life span.

BTW if corrosion on the contacts is your problem, simply removing and
reattaching them might just effect a temporary fix.

Which longer rings is your future cable,
take that one, ready. Go home and enjoy the music!


What's the chance that this Johann Spischak is either an audio sales guy, or
someone who is trying to pull the proverbial wool over your eyes?


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"Johann Spischak" wrote in message


I think I can help you with a very simple tip to make
your decision.


That would be good.

You don't need to bring home a sample of
alternative cable.


True, because unlike speaker cables, there is no way that a 1 meter
interconnect in good operating condition can have one iota of effect on the
sound of your system.

About the only way a 1 meter interconnect in good operating condition can
have one iota of effect on the sound of your system is if the distance
between the components is ? 1 meter.


You know exactly, that it is not about the distance, be honest and tell him why do you try to mislead him?


Just take your own cable into the demo
room of that HiFi store.


This looks like the sort of advice that will unnecessarily cost you money.

Listen any kind of acoustic record.


If you do this, the sales man will know that he's got a real sucker on his
hands. He's looking for clueless individuals, people with far more money
than brains, and doing this will clearly identify you to him, as well as
the rest of us, as being such a person.


No Arny, only if you do it so. Because a normal individual has ears, not necessarily "trained" or "expert" ears.
He can hear _differences_ and that counts. _That_ cable will bring _him_ some advantages, let _him_ decide what to do. The sales man can say what he want, he should not know at all, that this customer has a _key_ to find out what the better is.


Listen to the echoes and the ringing out times of
any instrument.


How broke does a cable have to be to affect reverb tails? The answer is
terribly broken. If you actually have a cable that does this, my diagnosis
would be corrosion on some contacts. If you were to have this problem, it is
an indication that the last cables you bought were real trash. Good quality
cables have essentially an unlimited life span.
BTW if corrosion on the contacts is your problem, simply removing and
reattaching them might just effect a temporary fix.


You know Arny, if it is still a question for you, then it's too late. If you don't know, that we are living in a world, where the interconnects have gold plated plugs. Sometimes you have to leave your PC alone and come back to visit the real world. With my key tip he can judge the new cables also _without_ his own old by. The tip works in any other doubtful situation, you don't need to shame yourself to try it out, before throwing stones! :-)))

Which longer rings is your future cable,
take that one, ready. Go home and enjoy the music!


What's the chance that this Johann Spischak is either an audio sales guy, or
someone who is trying to pull the proverbial wool over your eyes?


Non of them Arnold Krüger and you know it exactly. Only one of us lives his life in front of his PC, it is enough to take a look on your several hundred thousend postings only in the past more then ten years. Hundreds of it daily. You are getting older and in dispite of it, you make the same play year for year trying to make fool the younger generation. You are frustrated for life, because your ABX Comparator not became a hit. I can tell you why: Because already at the beginning (how many years ago? Once upon a time... children, just sleep well) it was so perfect, that Tiefenbrunn the proud Linn founder was not able to say which was conserve and which live music! If you are right, the development should be stopped dekades ago. Fortunately it is not so. :-)

Cheers
Johann Spischak




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"Arny Krueger" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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"Johann Spischak" wrote in
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I think I can help you with a very simple tip to make
your decision.


That would be good.

You don't need to bring home a sample of
alternative cable.


True, because unlike speaker cables, there is no way
that a 1 meter interconnect in good operating condition
can have one iota of effect on the sound of your system.

About the only way a 1 meter interconnect in good
operating condition can have one iota of effect on the
sound of your system is if the distance between the
components is ? 1 meter.


You know exactly, that it is not about the distance, be
honest and tell him why do you try to mislead him?


Looks like the intended less-than sign got lost along the way. Joke!

Just take your own cable into the demo
room of that HiFi store.


This looks like the sort of advice that will
unnecessarily cost you money.

Listen any kind of acoustic record.


If you do this, the sales man will know that he's got a
real sucker on his hands. He's looking for clueless
individuals, people with far more money than brains,
and doing this will clearly identify you to him, as well
as the rest of us, as being such a person.


No Arny, only if you do it so. Because a normal
individual has ears, not necessarily "trained" or
"expert" ears.


Your goal seems clear Johann, you're trying to make this about me. I'm not
falling for your games-playing.

The problem isn't my ears, or trained ears or expert ears. It's about the
fact that no ears that have ever graced the sides of a human head can hear
any difference of this kind.

Now Johann, you may be totally clueless and untrained, but not everybody is
that way.


He can hear _differences_ and that counts.


Obviously Johann you're very naive, or you're trying to be misleading.
Obviously, you are obfuscating the difference between perceiving and
hearing. Whether that's due to ignorance or malice on your part, I can't
tell. Yet.

Yeah, the poor guy might perceive differences, but perceiving includes
things like expectations. Obviously Johann, you're trying to precondition
the poor guy to suspend reasonable disbelief and expect to hear a
difference. That's what's true believers and good salesmen do. Which are
you?


_That_ cable will bring _him_ some advantages,


Such as?


let _him_ decide what to do.


Paranoid much, Johann? How am I, sitting at a keyboard perhaps thousands of
miles away keep him from deciding what to do? There's no way, and any
reasonable person knows it. It's a given that he's going to decide what to
do, no matter what I say, and no matter what you say.

What you're trying to do Johann is suppress my ability to express my
opinions. You must not be from a country where there's anything like a
first-amendment to your constitution. BTW I traced the domain that you claim
to be posting from (sdg-master.com) and it is currently unregistered. That
makes your post fraudulent.

The sales man can say what he want, he should not
know at all, that this customer has a _key_ to find out
what the better is.


Why is it OK for the salesman to say what he wants, and its not OK for me to
say what I want, Johann - posting from a fraudulent domain name?

Listen to the echoes and the ringing out times of
any instrument.


How broke does a cable have to be to affect reverb
tails? The answer is terribly broken. If you actually
have a cable that does this, my diagnosis would be
corrosion on some contacts. If you were to have this
problem, it is an indication that the last cables you
bought were real trash. Good quality cables have
essentially an unlimited life span.
BTW if corrosion on the contacts is your problem, simply
removing and reattaching them might just effect a
temporary fix.


You know Arny, if it is still a question for you, then
it's too late.



Yes, it is too late in the sense that my suspension of disbelief in many
audio myths is pretty well shot.

If you don't know, that we are living in a
world, where the interconnects have gold plated plugs.


Sometimes they do, and sometimes they don't. For the record, it is
well-known among pros that gold-plating on RCA connectors is actually a
pretty bad idea, as frequently implemented.


Sometimes you have to leave your PC alone and come back
to visit the real world.


Johann, what real world might that be, your crazy fraudulent domain world
where all interconnects have consumer-eyewash gold plating?

Johann, you obviously don't know who are talking down your nose at.


With my key tip he can judge the new cables also _without_ his own old by.
The tip works
in any other doubtful situation, you don't need to shame
yourself to try it out, before throwing stones! :-)))


Johann, you sit there throwing stones at me, and somehow you want people to
believe that you sincerely think that throwing stones is a bad thing? What
sort of hypocrite are you, anyhow?


Which longer rings is your future cable,
take that one, ready. Go home and enjoy the music!


What's the chance that this Johann Spischak is either an
audio sales guy, or someone who is trying to pull the
proverbial wool over your eyes?


Non of them Arnold Krüger and you know it exactly.



Sorry Johann, but my omniscience module is broken. So, I don't know whether
you are an audio sales guy, a poor mislead and misleading but
poorly-informed lost soul, or whether you are just trying to pull the wool
over people's eyes to get your rocks off.

Only one of us lives his life in front of his PC,


Johann, I surely don't live my life in front of my PC. For example one of
my away-from-the PC activities is being a professional recordist of band and
choral festivals. I record literally 100s of musical groups every year.

it is enough
to take a look on your several hundred thousand postings
only in the past more then ten years.


Jealous? Trust me Johann, if you were literate enough, you do could
duplicate my posting history.


Hundreds of it daily.


Now that's a lie. In fact I average a few dozen posts a day.

You are getting older and in despite of it, you
make the same play year for year trying to make fool the
younger generation.


How am I making people look like fools when I reveal so many well-known
truths about audio. I guess you haven't noticed that I'm not the only person
on this thread who is debunking your misapprehensions about cables.

You are frustrated for life, because
your ABX Comparator not became a hit.


That's a laugh. ABX remains the single most popular topic on the audio
groups of Usenet. There are HTML newsgroups that have adopted it as their
standard for comparison. Tens of thousands of ABX comparators have been
downloaded and used.


I can tell you why:
Because already at the beginning (how many years ago?
Once upon a time... children, just sleep well) it was so
perfect, that Tiefenbrunn the proud Linn founder was not
able to say which was conserve and which live music! If
you are right, the development should be stopped dekades
ago. Fortunately it is not so. :-)


Could you have a native speaker of English decode that last paragraph?


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"Johann Spischak" wrote ...
Listen to the echos and the ringing out timesof any instrument.
Which longer rings is your future cable, take that one, ready.
Go home and enjoy the music!


I think we have identifed the real troll here.


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Johann Spischak wrote:

Get out of this group.

You've already made apest of yourself enough in rec.audio.pro.


You must have had a difficult childhood.


Go to hell. You are unwelcome here.


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Johann Spischak wrote:

I think I can help you with a very simple tip to make your decision. You don't need to bring home a sample of alternative cable. Just take your own cable into the demo room of that HiFi store. Listen any kind of acoustic record. Listen to the echos and the ringing out timesof any instrument. Which longer rings is your future cable, take that one, ready. Go home and enjoy the music!


Hint: Use recordings of undamped instruments for ultimate frustration.


What's the problem? The sound will because can not ring longer than the record contents. If it by one cable shorter is than by the other one, then that cable is guilty, thow it away. Every other things like "tight and deep bass" or "brilliance" comes automatically.


IDIOT !

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The "no-brainer" method for choosing speaker cables is to just get 12 gauge
speaker cables.


Fancy that. It's 4mm2 !
http://www.clearly-av.co.uk/awg.html

Graham



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"Mal Thomas" schrieb im Newsbeitrag ...
Gareth,
Look if you feel you are wasting your time then simply shut up or put me in
your kill-file.

BTW I haven't decided to buy anything. Yes, I was considering upgrading my
cables to something that I felt was a reasonable price. I even had narrowed
it down to a couple of brands that I was looking at.

But since reading all this, (rather than salesmen's hype and various
reviews, manufacturers websites etc), I will probably end up saving a bit of
money.

I might be naïve, misinformed (on this subject) but I'm not stupid.

Cheers
Mal
Oz




I think I can help you with a very simple tip to make your decision. You don't need to bring home a sample of alternative cable. Just take your own cable into the demo room of that HiFi store. Listen any kind of acoustic record. Listen to the echos and the ringing out timesof any instrument. Which longer rings is your future cable, take that one, ready. Go home and enjoy the music!

Happy weekend!
Johann Spischak


Your 'very simple tip' does not translate well into English. Further,
your news agent does not truncate lines properly. Either learn to write
more clearly or stick to your native language (advice I've gotten many
times from native German speakers). I understand--with difficulty--what
you are trying to say, but likely the OP will not. That said, I agree
(somebody shoot me for saying this) with Arny.

It would take some pretty shoddy cable to have any detrimental effect
such as you describe. A ordinary piece of 14 gauge (2 sq mm--USD
0.5/ft, or roughly a buck and a half) lamp cord, one meter long, should
be indistinguishable from the most expensive snake-oil speaker cable.

If there *was* an audible difference, I'd be much more suspicious of the
expensive cable than of the hunk of lamp cord.

jak
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Arny Krueger wrote:

The "no-brainer" method for choosing speaker cables is
to just get 12 gauge speaker cables.


Fancy that. It's 4mm2 !
http://www.clearly-av.co.uk/awg.html


Or if you will:

http://www.pcavtech.com/techtalk/wire_size/index.htm


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