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Compansated AM Detector, for the Faithful
Turns out we discussed this one & others back in 2004. So here it is again from p1074 of RDH4.
Cheers, John |
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Compansated AM Detector, for the Faithful
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Patrick Turner wrote: On Jul 18, 5:51*am, John L Stewart John.L.Stewart. wrote: Turns out we discussed this one & others back in 2004. So here it is again from p1074 of RDH4. All very well, but it uses a twin diode tube. If I am to put an extra tube into an existing radio it'd be for a 12AU7 cathode follower detector. Probably works better than the boffin method in RDH4. I don't imagine that they intended you would use an extra tube, only an extra resistor and capacitor. I assume that this circuit dates from the era when 6H6 detectors were popular so the diodes were already there. this circuit could be implemented in radios using a 6AV6 detector and 1st audio tube by replacing the 6AV6 with a 6T8. The question is, does this circuit really do anything useful, and if so what? -- Regards, John Byrns Surf my web pages at, http://fmamradios.com/ |
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Compansated AM Detector, for the Faithful
On Jul 19, 7:15*am, John Byrns wrote:
In article , *Patrick Turner wrote: On Jul 18, 5:51*am, John L Stewart John.L.Stewart. wrote: Turns out we discussed this one & others back in 2004. So here it is again from p1074 of RDH4. All very well, but it uses a twin diode tube. If I am to put an extra tube into an existing radio it'd be for a 12AU7 cathode follower detector. Probably works better than the boffin method in RDH4. I don't imagine that they intended you would use an extra tube, only an extra resistor and capacitor. *I assume that this circuit dates from the era when 6H6 detectors were popular so the diodes were already there. *this circuit could be implemented in radios using a 6AV6 detector and 1st audio tube by replacing the 6AV6 with a 6T8. All the old radios I have seen contain NO separate double diode tube. The only signal diodes are grounded cathode types within the vari µ pentodes for IF. The 27.4 schematic shows a tube diode 0.1uF and variable R5 between cathode and 0V, and this would not be able to be implemented using a pentode tube whose two diodes have a common cathode. The question is, does this circuit really do anything useful, and if so what? Its very simple John. The D2 generates a positive going voltage at its cathode from 100pF feed from IF amp anode. This is supposed to counter the cut off distortion one sees with RC coupling in detectors, and if RDH4 says the ducks can fly, then they will, and you need to be careful looking up when thousands of ducts fly over. I suggest you don your duck observation gear and venture to the swamp. Beware of duck hunters with shotguns. Notice there is a 1M taken from D2 anode to feed AVC, and this is necessary to get the + voltage at the D2 cathode. D1 in the 27.3 circuit could be a diode in a pentode, an D2 could be a Ge type because its distortion production does not matter, and D2 cathode is bypassed to 0V via 0.1uF. D2 is merely there to make a Vdc voltage. But like many things in RDH4, I have never ever seen this circuit in any old radio where performance is so often quite appalling in 101 different ways. Patrick Turner. |
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That was back in the day when more tubes hinted at more performance, sort of like todays horsepower race. But many of those circuits wasted a multi purpose tube or more doing just that. For example, two 6Q7s, one as the detector, the 2nd as 1st AF, the rest of the electrodes simply along for the ride. The example here is from an A****er Kent. There are quite a few Zeniths using this same hookup, all could benifit from the cct in RDH4. Perhaps these products were not sold in Oz. Cheers, John |
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Compansated AM Detector, for the Faithful
"John Byrns" wrote The claim is that the pull voltage is proportional to the carrier, i.e. good for all carrier levels, unlike in Partick's biased detector (with a fixed pull) which is good only for a certain range of RF carrier. Are you saying that Partick's biased detector also combats AC/DC loading distortion? Sure. Patrick's heavily biased detector combats both slew rate and AC/DC distortion. But since it is heavily biased it has very low input impedance at low signal (1.7K, as I showed in part 2). Therefore, Patrick's detector must have a cathode follower in front. In this circuit from RDH4 this extra pull needs to be as small as possible not to reduce significantly the input impedance at low signal, which would in turn raise the sensitivity threshold and cause the same distortion by a different machanism. Yet the pull must be enough to overcome the effect of the volume control AC coupled. Thus in this circuit the pull is critical. That is why they made R3 a trimpot. A problem here is that the pull voltage is very-very "averaged" by the 0.1uF capacitor across R3, and it will not track signal level well. If a signal varies quickly or if it composed of a composite multi-tone audiom it will not work perfectly. It's not clear to me what you are saying here? What difference does the modulation make as long as we are talking a normal AM signal? When you talk about "not tracking the signal level well" what are you talking about? Normally the carrier level of a booooring AM signal is constant and doesn't vary, are you talking about fading? You are right. Tracking is not that importamt. Fast fading is virtually nonexistant for MW broadcasts, especially local stations. Besides the pull is taken from the primary LC tank of the IFT, and the IFT transformer ratio is not fixed, but depends on the accuracy of the radio tuning. Sounds right, however I would think it would work OK as long as the compensation voltage is at least the minimum level required for any given carrier level. This circuit increases the effective load on the secondary of the IFT, effectively lowering the value of the detector load resistor. An improvement in modulation acceptance of the ordinary booooring AM detector could acomplished by simply lowering the value of the 500k resistor to provide the equivalent load, although it wouldn't get us to 100% as this circuit purports to do. In the 21-st century you would rather simply use an inverting op-amp which would be creating a pull, EXACTLY proportional to the instantaneous signal level from the same detector. You need only one diode. If you have an extra OP Amp why go to all this trouble, why not simply use the OP Amp to buffer the output of the detector to provide an AC/DC load ratio of unity? You are right. Use an op-amp as an RF buffer and a biased detector. Or unbiased detector and an AF buffer, or both. I use an emitter mildly biased detector and an op-amp buffer after it, another op-amp working as an AGC with infinite gain. We need to be honest with ourselves -- SS stuff works so much better in every and any respect. So much more convenience and versatility. Yet there are some *ppl* who still try build stuff with tubes. These are like Commmunists, creating problems (hum, noise, drift, low efficiency, weight, size, distortion, heat, instability, aging, tricky craftmanship, etc....) and then overcoming the self inflicted problems with enormous puffing, blowing steam, slogans and chest-pounding.... Steam engines are fun to watch or ride, but we use electric trains, thanks... Sorry if I offended anyone. Regards, Alex |
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Compansated AM Detector, for the Faithful
On Jul 20, 7:00*pm, "Alex Pogossov" wrote:
"John Byrns" wrote The claim is that the pull voltage is proportional to the carrier, i.e.. good for all carrier levels, unlike in Partick's biased detector (with a fixed pull) which is good only for a certain range of RF carrier. Are you saying that Partick's biased detector also combats AC/DC loading distortion? Sure. Patrick's heavily biased detector combats both slew rate and AC/DC distortion. But since it is heavily biased it has very low input impedance at low signal (1.7K, as I showed in part 2). Therefore, Patrick's detector must have a cathode follower in front. The capacitor reactance into which the diode charges may have low Z of 1k7. The reactance of 200pF at 455kHz is 1.74k ohms. If it is 100pF as so commonly used in most old "booooooooring detectors" Alex mentions, then the high Z IFT circuit has to charge into 3.4k approx, which means the boooooring detector causes terrible loading effects - one might think, but waveform displays do not indicate its as bad as Alex implies. Anyway, my detector sure gives MUCH better detector accuracy, and the 12AU7 handles it fine. Other suitable triodes are 6DJ8, 12AT7 with higher gm. In this circuit from RDH4 this extra pull needs to be as small as possible not to reduce significantly the input impedance at low signal, which would in turn raise the sensitivity threshold and cause the same distortion by a different machanism. Yet the pull must be enough to overcome the effect of the volume control AC coupled. Thus in this circuit the pull is critical. That is why they made R3 a trimpot. Indeed. A problem here is that the pull voltage is very-very "averaged" by the 0.1uF capacitor across R3, and it will not track signal level well. If a signal varies quickly or if it composed of a composite multi-tone audiom it will not work perfectly. It's not clear to me what you are saying here? *What difference does the modulation make as long as we are talking a normal AM signal? *When you talk about "not tracking the signal level well" what are you talking about? Normally the carrier level of a booooring AM signal is constant and doesn't vary, are you talking about fading? You are right. Tracking is not that importamt. Fast fading is virtually nonexistant for MW broadcasts, especially local stations. Besides the pull is taken from the primary LC tank of the IFT, and the IFT transformer ratio is not fixed, but depends on the accuracy of the radio tuning. Sounds right, however I would think it would work OK as long as the compensation voltage is at least the minimum level required for any given carrier level. This circuit increases the effective load on the secondary of the IFT, effectively lowering the value of the detector load resistor. *An improvement in modulation acceptance of the ordinary booooring AM detector could acomplished by simply lowering the value of the 500k resistor to provide the equivalent load, although it wouldn't get us to 100% as this circuit purports to do. In the 21-st century you would rather simply use an inverting op-amp which would be creating a pull, EXACTLY proportional to the instantaneous signal level from the same detector. You need only one diode. If you have an extra OP Amp why go to all this trouble, why not simply use the OP Amp to buffer the output of the detector to provide an AC/DC load ratio of unity? You are right. Use an op-amp as an RF buffer and a biased detector. Or unbiased detector and an AF buffer, or both. I use an emitter mildly biased detector and an op-amp buffer after it, another op-amp working as an AGC with infinite gain. We need to be honest with ourselves -- SS stuff works so much better in every and any respect. So much more convenience and versatility. This is a tube use discussion group, and who gives a **** about SS? Yet there are some *ppl* who still try build stuff with tubes. These are like Commmunists, creating problems (hum, noise, drift, low efficiency, weight, size, distortion, heat, instability, aging, tricky craftmanship, etc....) and then overcoming the self inflicted problems with enormous puffing, blowing steam, slogans and chest-pounding.... Steam engines are fun to watch or ride, but we use electric trains, thanks... Sorry if I offended anyone. You'd have to work harder to offend me. But I hate most SS gear. And the AM tuners full of SS crap don't sound as good as the tube stuff I repair, re-engineer, or have built for myself. Humans are fun to watch or ride ( if she's a good looking nice hot sheila begging for it ), but we now use computers when we jerk off, because shielas won't **** like they used to. I like old fashioned telephones and copper wire connections. I will never get a mobile phone unless I am forced to get one. The ****en audio in mobile phones is awful, and they keep dropping out. I hated the audio in my 1998? Metz TV set so much I removed all the speakers. The analog sound from set top box now goes to a proper old fashioned SS hi-fi amp and then to two nice hi-fi speakers, and sound is passable; would be better if tubed though. The Metz was given to me for "free" for some repair work, nice picture, it was the last CR tube model, and so heavy that if it fails I just will put a brick through screen, and break it up to fit into my dumper bin. Then I might return to not having any TV set, like I didn't for 14 years before the Metz. I am very glad to keep tube amplifiers alive, and build a few new ones. So are my customers. I'm definately not a Communist, or a Nazi, or raging mad Capitalist despite so many attempts by a few here to label me one way or other. But I do believe in social justice and maintaining high quality function from electronics -- AND humans if possible. The world is turning to PWM amps which are 95% efficient and don't need big heatsinks. But meanwhile everyone seems to be wanting more of everything, and in each room of the 27 room house they must have, with two cars or more in the garage. Sure we have electric trains in big cities but meanwhile have terrible traffic jams and excessive consumption of everything possible. So even though we got rid of most tubes, and nearly all steam trains, and now have efficient amps, we are polluting the Planet much more than we used to, and also because we had so many children, who will all want more and ****en more, along with many future billions of ppl in developing countries. So Alex, when you say things like ""Yet there are some *ppl* who still try build stuff with tubes. These are like Commmunists, creating problems (hum, noise, drift, low efficiency, weight, size, distortion, heat, instability, aging, tricky craftmanship, etc....) and then overcoming the self inflicted problems with enormous puffing, blowing steam, slogans and chest-pounding...."" you are just pushing silly propaganda which everyone here should know how to ignore. I am grateful that a tiny minority maintains **WORKING** examples of past technologies such as steam engines, aeroplanes (such as old WW2 planes) so that today's ppl have a REAL way of understanding the past so they may know the future. Unfortunately, the world seems to be drifting toward many more nuclear armed nations and maybe we won't have to wait too long before some crazy country demonstrates what happened in Hiroshima somewhere in some middle eastern city to settle a dispute. So some really awful olf technology seems to be hanging around when it should have been dismantled for ploughshares and alternative and sustainable technologies. Probably it is benign that each stereo SS amp that is finally dumped because it just wasn't worth fixing is then re-cycled into a 5.1 receiver which will have an even shorter life. Its a contradictory world. Anyway, the human race is heading into unknown territory, and the whole heap of problems encountered along the way are all of far greater significance than suffering the presence of a few "communists" building a few tube amps. But in a way, Alex is right. Tube amps are made in China, and guess what folks, China is stage managed by the Chinese Communist Party, which has a rather frightful record on human rights. I'm not sure what the Chinese nation may change into, but change happens, and nothing stays the same. Old Buggers clinging to old ideas about 1,001 things WILL die and New Buggers will take over and nobody knows how the new world will fare over the next thousands of years and methinks that considering tube amp making to be a negative activity is extremely short sighted. Patrick Turner. |
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Compansated AM Detector, for the Faithful
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wrote: We need to be honest with ourselves -- SS stuff works so much better in every and any respect. So much more convenience and versatility. Certainly, solid state works better in every way for modern commercial products, most of which wouldn't even be possible with discrete transistors, let alone tubes. However this news group is dedicated to the use tubes in a hobby context, and also in guitar amps, solid state is off topic. Yet there are some *ppl* who still try build stuff with tubes. These are like Commmunists, creating problems (hum, noise, drift, low efficiency, weight, size, distortion, heat, instability, aging, tricky craftmanship, etc....) and then overcoming the self inflicted problems with enormous puffing, blowing steam, slogans and chest-pounding.... Building stuff with tubes hardly makes one a communist, remember this is a hobby group where tubes are the whole point, and solid state is irrelevant. Steam engines are fun to watch or ride, but we use electric trains, thanks... Sorry if I offended anyone. Watch it, careful what you say about steam engines before you do insult someone. I have a soft spot in my heart for steam engines as my Maternal Great, Great ... Great-Grandfather invented the steam engine, and my Mothers Maiden name is the same as his with only a slight spelling change to modernize it. And no, I am not speaking of Watt, who developed the condensing steam engine while repairing one of my ancestors original engines. -- Regards, John Byrns Surf my web pages at, http://fmamradios.com/ |
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Compansated AM Detector, for the Faithful
Watch it, careful what you say about steam engines before you do insult someone. *
I have a soft spot in my heart for steam engines as my Maternal Great, Great ... Great-Grandfather invented the steam engine, and my Mothers Maiden name is the same as his with only a slight spelling change to modernize it. *And no, I am not speaking of Watt, who developed the condensing steam engine while repairing one of my ancestors original engines. -- Regards, John Byrns So John, was there some unpleasant experience during the R&D process of the relatives' inventions of steam power, ie, a fearful explosion so forever afterwards you got your name, Byrns, which was the way they spelt burns in 1750? I'm here for the tubes, and SS is irrelelvant, even though I have dabbled in some SS. Patrick Turner. |
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Compansated AM Detector, for the Faithful
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Patrick Turner wrote: Watch it, careful what you say about steam engines before you do insult someone. * I have a soft spot in my heart for steam engines as my Maternal Great, Great ... Great-Grandfather invented the steam engine, and my Mothers Maiden name is the same as his with only a slight spelling change to modernize it. *And no, I am not speaking of Watt, who developed the condensing steam engine while repairing one of my ancestors original engines. So John, was there some unpleasant experience during the R&D process of the relatives' inventions of steam power, ie, a fearful explosion so forever afterwards you got your name, Byrns, which was the way they spelt burns in 1750? I don't know, as far as I know the two sides of my family didn't know each other back in the day, and only came together in the 20th century, however anything is possible, it's an interesting question. I'm here for the tubes, and SS is irrelelvant, even though I have dabbled in some SS. It sounds like you are using my line that you snipped from the top of my post. -- Regards, John Byrns Surf my web pages at, http://fmamradios.com/ |
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Compansated AM Detector, for the Faithful
On Jul 21, 12:20*pm, John Byrns wrote:
In article , *Patrick Turner wrote: Watch it, careful what you say about steam engines before you do insult someone. * I have a soft spot in my heart for steam engines as my Maternal Great, Great ... Great-Grandfather invented the steam engine, and my Mothers Maiden name is the same as his with only a slight spelling change to modernize it. *And no, I am not speaking of Watt, who developed the condensing steam engine while repairing one of my ancestors original engines. So John, was there some unpleasant experience during the R&D process of the relatives' inventions of steam power, ie, a fearful explosion so forever afterwards you got your name, Byrns, which was the way they spelt burns in 1750? I don't know, as far as I know the two sides of my family didn't know each other back in the day, and only came together in the 20th century, however anything is possible, it's an interesting question. I'm here for the tubes, and SS is irrelelvant, even though I have dabbled in some SS. It sounds like you are using my line that you snipped from the top of my post. Indeed I acted like a tank circuit, ie, LC, and LCs resonate. But I make stuff that works, and don't just chat around all day. Or else I starve. Me mother's ancestors were from an Emerald Isle, which makes me tree quarters Irish, But me old man was from the fukkin' mainland, and so I'm two terds English. Patrick Turner. |
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Compansated AM Detector, for the Faithful
On Jul 24, 9:32*am, flipper wrote:
On Wed, 20 Jul 2011 19:00:27 +1000, "Alex Pogossov" wrote: snip Yet there are some *ppl* who still try build stuff with tubes. These are like Commmunists, creating problems (hum, noise, drift, low efficiency, weight, size, distortion, heat, instability, aging, tricky craftmanship, etc....) and then overcoming the self inflicted problems with enormous puffing, blowing steam, slogans and chest-pounding.... That comment is so ridiculous as to not merit a reply but, nevertheless, a tube aficionado is doing what he likes. A communist makes everyone else do what he likes. Where on earth did you ever get the ****en stooooopid & ridiculous idea that "a communist makes everyone else do what he likes" ?????? Clearly it IS TRUE that *some* people who may be communist, capitalist, Christian, Moslem, Hindu, atheist, consensist , ridiculist, quasist, agriculturalist, industrialist, MAY possibly try to make some ppl around them do what they like, or may not like at all. BTW, no need to tell me where, its another boooring story. Patrick Turner. |
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Compansated AM Detector, for the Faithful
Flipper wrote very little content, then posted a monumental amount of
tedious crap he didn't write, and which I sure didn't write, and which nobody could de-cypher. B.S. BTW, no need to tell me where, *its another boooring story. Then don't ask. So I have a few things which he and everyone else should consider instead..... 1. A little sincerity is a dangerous thing, and a great deal of it is absolutely fatal. 2. A man can be happy with any woman as long as he does not love her. 3. Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much. 4. America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between. 5. Anyone who lives within their means suffers from a lack of imagination. 6. Arguments are to be avoided; they are always vulgar and often convincing. 7. Biography lends to death a new terror. 8. Fashion is a form of ugliness so intolerable that we have to alter it every six months. 9. I am not young enough to know everything. 10. I think that God in creating Man somewhat overestimated his ability. 11. I was working on the proof of one of my poems all the morning, and took out a comma. In the afternoon I put it back again. [Note: remember Top 10 tips for great writing? 12. Illusion is the first of all pleasures. 13. It is a very sad thing that nowadays there is so little useless information. 14. Most modern calendars mar the sweet simplicity of our lives by reminding us that each day that passes is the anniversary of some perfectly uninteresting event. 15. One should always play fairly when one has the winning cards. 16. Patriotism is the virtue of the vicious. 17. Selfishness is not living as one wishes to live, it is asking others to live as one wishes to live. 18. The only thing to do with good advice is pass it on. It is never any use to oneself. 19. The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about. 20. The true mystery of the world is the visible, not the invisible. 21. To disagree with three-fourths of the British public is one of the first requisites of sanity. 22. Whenever people agree with me I always feel I must be wrong. 23. The only thing that sustains one through life is the consciousness of the immense inferiority of everybody else, and this is a feeling that I have always cultivated. 24. I don’t play accurately-any one can play accurately- but I play with wonderful expression. As far as the piano is concerned, sentiment is my forte. I keep science for Life. 25. When the gods wish to punish us, they answer our prayers. 26. Work is the curse of the drinking classes. 27. My own business always bores me to death; I prefer other people’s. 28. I can resist anything but temptation. 29. Life is far too important a thing ever to talk seriously about. 30. Experience is the name everyone gives to their mistakes. 31. Scandal is gossip made tedious by morality. 32. We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars. 33. What is a cynic? A man who knows the price of everything and the value of nothing. 34. Vile deeds like poison weeds bloom well in prison air, it is only what is good in man, that wastes and withers there. 35. We have really everything in common with America nowadays except, of course, language. 36. The public is wonderfully tolerant. It forgives everything except genius. 37. The truth is rarely pure and never simple. 38. Thirty-five is a very attractive age. London society is full of women of the very highest birth who have, of their own free choice, remained thirty-five for years. 39. I like persons better than principles, and I like persons with no principles better than anything else in the world. 40. I love acting. It is so much more real than life. Oscar also mentioned that life was far to short to ever be really serious. Patrick Turner. |
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Compansated AM Detector, for the Faithful
On Jul 25, 3:12*am, flipper wrote:
On Sun, 24 Jul 2011 02:49:35 -0700 (PDT), Patrick Turner wrote: Flipper wrote very little content, then posted a monumental amount of tedious crap he didn't write, and which I sure didn't write, and which nobody could de-cypher. I thank you for suggesting my post so clever and professional it must have been plagiarized but every jot was mine with not a single bit copied from another source, except for the word "voil " that I often cut and paste because I never can remember how to type a blooming " " from the keyboard. The rest of the time I just type "a" and to hell with it. BTW, no need to tell me where, its another boooring story. Then don't ask. So I have a few things which he and everyone else should consider instead..... Well, you see, there's two HUGE differences here. First... I didn't ask. Second... your toilet paper roll laundry list of incoherent cut and paste one liners from whatever web page(s) of quotes you found didn't have a blessed thing to do with the topic. And you wonder why the word "babble" keeps cropping up. Flipper, you are an inconsistent dummy. You are lightning quick to dismiss anything or anyone else says which exposes your extremely limited views on the world, electronic topics, tube craft, and you have no sense of humour, and you can't understand that a long booooring humourless article you posted on communism WAS BABBLE which was way off the topic of building better tube gear. You have so little to contribute. Oscar Wilde had many things to say about the world which YOU and ALEX both seem unable to understand. Oscar must have said something about ppl who refuse an education, I forget what it may have been, so, find out for youreself. Most crazy ideas to organise people to do things they don't like or even do like can be easily unravelled by wit. Wit is only possible by understanding complex and silly human nature. As for communists, some are OK, some are not, just like some capitalists are OK, and some are not. You have some obsessively rabid humourless views which nobody reads. I don't. But all extreme political views which fail to take in all the facts and lack social justice are dangerous. Pol Pot and Mao were parrticularly nasty commos, and on the other hand, George Bubbya Bush and his business pals could be argued to be the merchants of death. Millions of muslims think that. Leading capitalists such as Rupert Murdoch can find themselves as popular as a pork chop in a synagogue all so easily because they preside over the potential evil of humans which suddenly may become real. In the absense of very many posts about tube use, I see nothing wrong with off topic discussions which you hate because you have such awkward difficulty being human. I'd say you were a large Nerd. Patrick Turner. |
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Flipper, you are an inconsistent dummy. You are lightning quick to
dismiss anything or anyone else says No, I just dismiss your babble. I've refused to waste another second reading your ****. Delete Flippers stuff..... |
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Patrick Turner wrote: Flipper, you are an inconsistent dummy. You are lightning quick to dismiss anything or anyone else says No, I just dismiss your babble. I've refused to waste another second reading your ****. Delete Flippers stuff..... Oh come on now, Flipper makes a Hell of a lot more sense than you do! -- Regards, John Byrns Surf my web pages at, http://fmamradios.com/ |
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On Jul 25, 11:30*pm, John Byrns wrote:
In article , *Patrick Turner wrote: Flipper, you are an inconsistent dummy. You are lightning quick to dismiss anything or anyone else says No, I just dismiss your babble. I've refused to waste another second reading your ****. Delete Flippers stuff..... Oh come on now, Flipper makes a Hell of a lot more sense than you do! He's great at jarging the jargon. For a fish of a man he's remarkably good at generating hot air and with no ideas worth soldering together. I don't care how much "more sense" he makes than I do, he has a very limited view on life and all its complexities, he's in fact determined to appear aloof, cold, unhuman un-caring, negative, and unable to grasp the way better minds than his have understood phase locked loops and how they really work. He refuses to allow himself to be educated. I know that all this may seem nonsense to you and I really don't much care. Most ppl here don't build or make anything in their workshops and they don't offer me much on which I might sharpen my mind. Those here are hardly inspirational. Fortunately, I depend on nobody else for motivation, understanding, or good health. The dour booooring condemnation I get here probably helps to keep less sturdy people out of this group. Right now its 9C, clear blue sky, and am off for 70km bike ride. It will be better than sunday when it just managed 7C max by the time I returned after 70km. Patrick Turner. |
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No, I just dismiss your babble. I've refused to waste another second reading your ****. Delete Flippers stuff..... Oh come on now, Flipper makes a Hell of a lot more sense than you do! He's great at jarging the jargon. Tell me what 'jargon' confused you and I'll explain it. If you dunno the sound of your own BS, you are a walking/swimming undead fish. Your pose as a dolphin is peurile. You beget no respect, because you are lazy, cyber idiot, wallowing in narcism, behind a false facade, so I've deleted the rest of your last post because there's nothing about anything worth reading for anyone. I might read someone's posts seriously if they are prolific with a soldering iron and have no trouble applying the discussed ideas to make something REAL, and/or if they are able to discuss their off topic interests with tolerance and good humour, without trampling over other people's rights. Patrick Turner. |
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