[MOSFET]

I've been into car audio a long time, over 20 years) and into home audio even longer).

I love music and enjoy keeping up with the industry as the quality of gear has generally gone up and prices have generally gone down. For instance, head units these days are loaded with features we couldn't even imagine 20 years ago, plus the need to buy outboard processors like crossovers and EQ's has all but disapeared. Car amps have gotten cheaper, more powerful, efficient, and smaller.

However, the one type of component I always believed has not changed much is the speaker. Except for the newer subwoofers with huge motor structures and incredible excursion and power capability, I always thought speakers have remained basically the same.

Boy, was I wrong.

I just purchased a new set of Alpine's Type R 6.5" component set and I can't say enough about these wonderful speakers. I have used all types of high-end component speakers including Boston Accoustics, MB Quart, JL, ect., but these Alpine's leave everything I have ever used in the dust. The funny thing is that 20 years ago I would have NEVER considered using Japanesse speakers as my main speakers. Again, times they are a changing....

First off, before these, I had been using 6.5" JL VR series as my midbass speakers and when I first got THESE, I thought they produced more midbass than I had ever heard from a 6.5". But these Apline's make my old JL's seem like 4"ers. I replaced them because I blew one of them with the amp I use to drive them, an old-school (10 year old) Rockford Fosgate 225.2 (112.5 watts X 2 RMS at 13.5 volts, 550 watts peak). My tweeters (a pair of Infinity high-end car audio) are driven by a 50 watts X 2 Phoenix Gold amp (they are bi-amped obviously). There were certain songs that, played loud enough, would always make my JL's distort a little.

Not these Alpine's.

High passed at 80 Hz I have yet to hear ANY distortion from these things no matter what I play and how loud I -play it. They are truly amazing and if tight midbass up-front is your goal, LOOK NO FURTHER!!!

Technology improvements have certainly found their way into the component speaker world. I have definately found such a pair. These speakers are rated at 110 watts RMS (a VERY high figure for a 6.5"), 300 watts peak and I have NO DOUBT this is an accurate specification.

The tweeters are also incredible. I was going to keep my Infinity's, but after trying the Alpine's, the tweets also surpassed my old speakers in terms of clarity and imaging.

Anyway, I just had to write this because this component set still blows my mind. True, they are not very efficient (good speakers usually are not as larger motor structures mean greater cone control taking more power to move the cone) so I WOULD NOT drive these with a head unit.

But, feed them enough power (I would recomend AT LEAST 120-150 watts X 2 RMS for both woofer and tweeter) and you will experience an incredible listening experience.

Anyway, my $.02,

MOSFET

[ChrisB]

MOSFET wrote:
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MOSFET


The Alpine Type S aren't that bad either! I installed a pair of SPS-600
speakers in the doors of my 1997 Civic and they were worth every
penny! They actually sound a little smoother than the Infinity Kappa
682.7s that installed in my 2006 Mustang GT. IMHO, those Kappas highs
are HARSH compared to the smooth Alpines.

Like you, I would have never considered Alpine as a choice of speaker
and I am really impressed with how they sound!

[Captain Howdy[_3_]]

over 20 years and still no clue..

In article , "MOSFET"
wrote:
I've been into car audio a long time, over 20 years) and into home audio even
longer).




MOSFET

[MOSFET]

Oh Howdy, I can always count on you for a constructive, positive comment.

What would RAC be without you? Probably a negative, flame filled,
hate-fest.

Thanks for the positive comment.

MOSFET

"Captain Howdy" wrote in message
...
over 20 years and still no clue..

In article , "MOSFET"
wrote:
I've been into car audio a long time, over 20 years) and into home audio
even
longer).




MOSFET

[Captain Howdy[_3_]]

Hey Misfit do you recall saying:

Sun, 23 Jul 2006
Never buy Japeneese speakers. I have NEVER heard a good sounding set of
Japaneese speakers. Go through EVERY SINGLE Car Audio magazine EVER PRINTED
and find me a competition car that had Japaneese 6x9's as front speakers. You
won't find a SINGLE DAMN ONE. But, I don't care, if that sounds good TO YOU,
then whatever. But I've said it once and I will say it again, speakers ar MUCH
MORE important to Sound Quality than amps. You can try to debate this
(and you have tried) until the end of time, but a good set of separate
speakers driven by my Jensen or Prestige amp (as long as not driven into
clipping), will ALWAYS sound better than your Japaneese 6x9's driven by the
most expensive amp on the market. THAT IS A FACT, PUSE AND SIMPLE. You
OBVIOUSLY have not experienced enough to know this.

Thurs, Jan 3 2008
Anyway, as far as what's new with my system, there's quite a bit (I HAVE NOT
LOST THE BUG!!!!). As promised, I finally upgraded to a Class D amp to
drive my pair of 12" MTX MXS's (same as 7500 series, just silver instead of
black). I bought a new Alpine MRP-M850. Connected in parallel, each sub
gets 400 watts which seems to be just PERFECT (more than the previous amp
that was driving them, a Soundstream Ref. 700 that I sold). Everything they
say about Classs D is true. The increase in bass output is VERY noticeable
yet the amp stays cool and my voltage doesn't drop like a stone when I
really punch it.


Two years later you come on here and tell us how wonderful your new
Japeneese speakers sound. Before this you come on here telling us that your
new amp sounds better then your old one and this is after months of all those
amplifier arguments.

After being into car audio for over 20 years "You OBVIOUSLY have not
experienced enough to know this". With that said. there is no point of telling
people that you have 20 years into car audio because the people that have been
on here long enough know just how little it means in your case. But anyways
I'm glad that you like your Japeneese speakers. When you finally upgrade your
electrical system and ditch the 7500's for a pair Japanese Type -R woofers,
I'm sure that you'll be back with more wonderful reviews.

In article , "MOSFET"
wrote:
Oh Howdy, I can always count on you for a constructive, positive comment.

What would RAC be without you? Probably a negative, flame filled,
hate-fest.

Thanks for the positive comment.

MOSFET

"Captain Howdy" wrote in message
...
over 20 years and still no clue..

In article , "MOSFET"
wrote:
I've been into car audio a long time, over 20 years) and into home audio
even
longer).




MOSFET

[MOSFET]

Geez, do you save everything I write. That was written years ago.

You're kind of spooky, 'you know that? Get a life, man.

M

P.S. Oh, and BTW I stand by what I said regarding 6x9's. I still have
never heard a set that come close to a good set of seperates (and I do
listen to all the new ones that come out these days). Could a really,
really, really, good sounding 6x9 be built? Perhaps. But I have yet to
hear them.

"Captain Howdy" wrote in message
...
Hey Misfit do you recall saying:

Sun, 23 Jul 2006
Never buy Japeneese speakers. I have NEVER heard a good sounding set of
Japaneese speakers. Go through EVERY SINGLE Car Audio magazine EVER
PRINTED
and find me a competition car that had Japaneese 6x9's as front speakers.
You
won't find a SINGLE DAMN ONE. But, I don't care, if that sounds good TO
YOU,
then whatever. But I've said it once and I will say it again, speakers ar
MUCH
MORE important to Sound Quality than amps. You can try to debate this
(and you have tried) until the end of time, but a good set of separate
speakers driven by my Jensen or Prestige amp (as long as not driven into
clipping), will ALWAYS sound better than your Japaneese 6x9's driven by
the
most expensive amp on the market. THAT IS A FACT, PUSE AND SIMPLE. You
OBVIOUSLY have not experienced enough to know this.

Thurs, Jan 3 2008
Anyway, as far as what's new with my system, there's quite a bit (I HAVE
NOT
LOST THE BUG!!!!). As promised, I finally upgraded to a Class D amp to
drive my pair of 12" MTX MXS's (same as 7500 series, just silver instead
of
black). I bought a new Alpine MRP-M850. Connected in parallel, each sub
gets 400 watts which seems to be just PERFECT (more than the previous amp
that was driving them, a Soundstream Ref. 700 that I sold). Everything
they
say about Classs D is true. The increase in bass output is VERY
noticeable
yet the amp stays cool and my voltage doesn't drop like a stone when I
really punch it.


Two years later you come on here and tell us how wonderful your new
Japeneese speakers sound. Before this you come on here telling us that
your
new amp sounds better then your old one and this is after months of all
those
amplifier arguments.

After being into car audio for over 20 years "You OBVIOUSLY have not
experienced enough to know this". With that said. there is no point of
telling
people that you have 20 years into car audio because the people that have
been
on here long enough know just how little it means in your case. But
anyways
I'm glad that you like your Japeneese speakers. When you finally upgrade
your
electrical system and ditch the 7500's for a pair Japanese Type -R
woofers,
I'm sure that you'll be back with more wonderful reviews.

In article , "MOSFET"
wrote:
Oh Howdy, I can always count on you for a constructive, positive comment.

What would RAC be without you? Probably a negative, flame filled,
hate-fest.

Thanks for the positive comment.

MOSFET

"Captain Howdy" wrote in message
...
over 20 years and still no clue..

In article , "MOSFET"
wrote:
I've been into car audio a long time, over 20 years) and into home
audio
even
longer).




MOSFET

[Captain Howdy[_3_]]

That's right it was written two years ago (type-r's haven't changed since
then) and I'm still telling you what I have been saying then. You were not
just talking about 6x9s you were talking about Japanese speakers period. Read
your post. If Alpine can make a good sounding 6.5 there are no real
limitations in doing the same with a 6x9.

When I told you that you're an idiot and are too stupid to know that you're
stupid, I wasn't saying it to be rude I saying it for reasons that you are
finally beginning to understand. With the 180s that you take with your so
called facts and knowledge it is kind of spooky, be it speakers or amplifiers.
This brings me back to the fact of you being too stupid to know that you're
stupid. I'm glad that you are finally starting to understand just how much
bull**** you have been talking on here and how much **** poor advice you have
given over the years.

For all the years that you have been in car audio, you know nothing to show
for it. With that said there is no need to come on here and brag about being
in car audio for 20 years, there are still people on here who know just what
you're made of when it comes to car audio.

Oh, and BTW How is Tina?

In article , "MOSFET"
wrote:
Geez, do you save everything I write. That was written years ago.

You're kind of spooky, 'you know that? Get a life, man.

M

P.S. Oh, and BTW I stand by what I said regarding 6x9's. I still have
never heard a set that come close to a good set of seperates (and I do
listen to all the new ones that come out these days). Could a really,
really, really, good sounding 6x9 be built? Perhaps. But I have yet to
hear them.

"Captain Howdy" wrote in message
...
Hey Misfit do you recall saying:

Sun, 23 Jul 2006
Never buy Japeneese speakers. I have NEVER heard a good sounding set of
Japaneese speakers. Go through EVERY SINGLE Car Audio magazine EVER
PRINTED
and find me a competition car that had Japaneese 6x9's as front speakers.
You
won't find a SINGLE DAMN ONE. But, I don't care, if that sounds good TO
YOU,
then whatever. But I've said it once and I will say it again, speakers ar
MUCH
MORE important to Sound Quality than amps. You can try to debate this
(and you have tried) until the end of time, but a good set of separate
speakers driven by my Jensen or Prestige amp (as long as not driven into
clipping), will ALWAYS sound better than your Japaneese 6x9's driven by
the
most expensive amp on the market. THAT IS A FACT, PUSE AND SIMPLE. You
OBVIOUSLY have not experienced enough to know this.

Thurs, Jan 3 2008
Anyway, as far as what's new with my system, there's quite a bit (I HAVE
NOT
LOST THE BUG!!!!). As promised, I finally upgraded to a Class D amp to
drive my pair of 12" MTX MXS's (same as 7500 series, just silver instead
of
black). I bought a new Alpine MRP-M850. Connected in parallel, each sub
gets 400 watts which seems to be just PERFECT (more than the previous amp
that was driving them, a Soundstream Ref. 700 that I sold). Everything
they
say about Classs D is true. The increase in bass output is VERY
noticeable
yet the amp stays cool and my voltage doesn't drop like a stone when I
really punch it.


Two years later you come on here and tell us how wonderful your new
Japeneese speakers sound. Before this you come on here telling us that
your
new amp sounds better then your old one and this is after months of all
those
amplifier arguments.

After being into car audio for over 20 years "You OBVIOUSLY have not
experienced enough to know this". With that said. there is no point of
telling
people that you have 20 years into car audio because the people that have
been
on here long enough know just how little it means in your case. But
anyways
I'm glad that you like your Japeneese speakers. When you finally upgrade
your
electrical system and ditch the 7500's for a pair Japanese Type -R
woofers,
I'm sure that you'll be back with more wonderful reviews.

In article , "MOSFET"
wrote:
Oh Howdy, I can always count on you for a constructive, positive comment.

What would RAC be without you? Probably a negative, flame filled,
hate-fest.

Thanks for the positive comment.

MOSFET

"Captain Howdy" wrote in message
...
over 20 years and still no clue..

In article , "MOSFET"
wrote:
I've been into car audio a long time, over 20 years) and into home
audio
even
longer).




MOSFET

[bob wald]

the best pair of 5.25s i ever heard is JVC....
i loved them so much i bought afew more jvc speakers for future use....
infinities are as good too.
n 1 word for your amp needs...BOSS
boss makes more amps a month than your favorite amp makes in a yr...

[Captain Howdy[_3_]]

Yeah to keep up with warranty returns.

In article ,
(bob wald) wrote:
the best pair of 5.25s i ever heard is JVC....
i loved them so much i bought afew more jvc speakers for future use....
infinities are as good too.
n 1 word for your amp needs...BOSS
boss makes more amps a month than your favorite amp makes in a yr...

[John Durbin]

Yeah, but most of them probably suck...

I once visited the factory that was building said amps, and a very
well-respected factory it is, right here in the US of A. They had
several models going down the line at the time, for said brand.

There was a guy at the end of the assembly line setting the bias
adjustments which was the last step before packaging. He was using an
o-scope and Audio Precision to make the adjustments, perfectly good
high-quality test instrumentation.

I watched this guy for a few minutes, and noticed he was under-biasing
every amp. This is obvious on the scope because of the big ugly notch in
the response curve, also known as crossover distortion meaning there is
distortion as the signal crosses from positive to negative and back
again. This looks like a big flat spot right where there should be a
nice smooth sine wave, centered around zero volts. It manifests itself
audibly as a gravelly, annoying distortion esp. at lower output levels.

So, I asked the guy that owned the place why they were underbiasing. He
said the brand owner (that would be Boss) preferred that as it made the
amps next to impossible to blow up (underbiasing means you never quite
turn the outputs on all the way, in addition to not turning them on soon
enough to avoid crossover distortion). He said they did all of them that
way, and it really helped reduce the return rate.

I asked him whether it didn't cause complaints about sound quality, and
he said (this is a verbatim quote): "The monkeys can't hear the
difference".

Now, I want to be clear this factory produced a lot of legendary
high-quality amps over the years, and the owner has forgotten more about
designing & building amps than any 20 of us put together ever knew in
the first place. He was simply doing what his customer wanted, which is
a straightforward business practice.

Conclusion #1:

If you know what music is supposed to sound like, this is probably not
the brand of choice (granted they may be built somewhere else now or not
underbiased any more, blah blah blah).

Conclusion #2:

bobwald = monkey

JD

bob wald wrote:
the best pair of 5.25s i ever heard is JVC....
i loved them so much i bought afew more jvc speakers for future use....
infinities are as good too.
n 1 word for your amp needs...BOSS
boss makes more amps a month than your favorite amp makes in a yr...


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[John Durbin]

That's a good point... that's well put!

JD

Captain Howdy wrote:

Yeah to keep up with warranty returns.

In article ,
(bob wald) wrote:

the best pair of 5.25s i ever heard is JVC....
i loved them so much i bought afew more jvc speakers for future use....
infinities are as good too.
n 1 word for your amp needs...BOSS
boss makes more amps a month than your favorite amp makes in a yr...


** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

[bob wald]

yyou kids should go to either sherwood audio or sherwood usa .com.