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I can't believe...
that no one has questions about our compadres in New Orleans who obviously
have to be missing on the forum. During tornadoes in Nashville, through the 9/11 attacks, people here have been aware of what's happening to others around the nation and have responded with concern. Yet I find nothing here and we know for a fact that there are those who may need help and not a single note of concern. If anyone knows of any of our RAP contributors that needs a place to live for the next four months or whatever (my true guess is 18 months), whilst this nation works towards some solution to this problem, I volunteer my home, even at the expense of my wife becoming incensed about the possibility. I don't know how anyone would get here, since I live just outside of DC, but I have no doubts that people who are in such dire straights cannot go about setting their lives straight without the deliberate help of others to offer these people a place to start to recover. It is impossible for anyone to get a job and start to try to recover from such a tragedy in a shelter such as the Astrodome. It is impossible for anyone to qualm the fears of their children without stability in their surroundings. It will be impossible for the nightmares to end without each and every one of us doing what we can do. This is one of those times where a CD compilation won't do the job. No money, however much it could possibly be, will accomplish the goals necessary. We have to come to a much more human offering, that being a life to those that now have nothing with which to call a life. I have no clue as to how my wife and I could accomplish more than an offering of space to live as limited as that would be, some level of identity for them, and a severly restricted food supply (we'd have to have less, but they would have more), but today I heard a woman calling from the Convention Center in N.O. and it was her second time calling CNN. The first time there were 8 bodies in the refrigerators. 4 hours later there were 12. How can we help? Certainly money doesn't do the job, for there are no places for these people to live, no jobs to go to, no abilities for them to gain medical attention, and nothing to say that people care. The only option would be to offer our help in the only way we can. Give people a place to live so they can try to recover. I know my wife will kill me for offering, although I see the horror in her eyes. Then again it means room for one more. I'll be glad to give up my studio for 18 months if that's what it takes. Can anyone imagine what toll it would take if New York had to be evacuated? -- Roger W. Norman SirMusic Studio http://blogs.salon.com/0004478/ |
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This is hardly the primarily barlike, adult, human and civil forum it once
was and it doesn;t surprise me. It infuriates me. What mic should I use to grab the last gasp of life from the stricken in New Orleans? Or the wail of a 3 year old that hasn't been fed or given a drink of water in 5 days? Certainly the frequency requirements suggest that a number of alternatives be considered. Or should I suggest that the frequency of requirements for support on the American homefront should have a number of alternatives be considered. Or perhaps should we even be allowing a $250 Million dollar bridge project in Alaska to an island of 50 people be part of the pork barrel Transportation bill since ONE THIRD of that figure would have shored up the levees in and around New Orleans so that it would have taken a Category 5+ hurricane to do what a Category 3 (on the western side of the hurricane) did. So why are there no alternatives considered in how to help these people recover their lives if mic considerations are appropriate in just the capturing of sound? Because, perhaps, this President and his official honchos don't have a clue of what these people's lives were like in the first place or don't really care? Or is it that the same type of mic is always in front of their faces because they decide they want to say something? The SNR of photo ops/news conferences to the dead/dying is overwhelming. Regardless of whether anyone thinks me a whimp, I cry at least a couple of times a day when I think of just how bad this is; the loss of a city renowned for entertainment and what could have been saved had any of the Administration paid attention to just the possibility of a disaster waiting to happen on American soil, much less listened to the Army Corps of Engineers. I said this on my blog, but since a lot of you don't pay attention (which is fine) then I'm going to say it now. In the past year the Army Corps of Engineers stated that the levees have SUNK 4 feet. By my miniscule math abilities that puts it over 1 foot for every one hundred days during the last year. It's impossible to NOT notice such a decline in the one level of protection that New Orleans had over holding the water at bay. An interesting aside is, here in the DC area, my wife just passed a gas station with lines up to one mile long. So much for the ability to trust this Administration and their ability to actually do the business of government. Rest gently, America. You won't get a chance soon. -- Roger W. Norman SirMusic Studio http://blogs.salon.com/0004478/ "SSJVCmag" wrote in message ... On 9/2/05 2:42 PM, in article , "Roger W. Norman" wrote: AND BEARS REPEATING: If anyone knows of any of our RAP contributors that needs a place to live for the next four months or whatever (my true guess is 18 months), whilst this nation works towards some solution to this problem, I volunteer my home, even at the expense of my wife becoming incensed about the possibility. I don't know how anyone would get here, since I live just outside of DC, but I have no doubts that people who are in such dire straights cannot go about setting their lives straight without the deliberate help of others to offer these people a place to start to recover. It is impossible for anyone to get a job and start to try to recover from such a tragedy in a shelter such as the Astrodome. It is impossible for anyone to qualm the fears of their children without stability in their surroundings. It will be impossible for the nightmares to end without each and every one of us doing what we can do. This is one of those times where a CD compilation won't do the job. No money, however much it could possibly be, will accomplish the goals necessary. We have to come to a much more human offering, that being a life to those that now have nothing with which to call a life. I have no clue as to how my wife and I could accomplish more than an offering of space to live as limited as that would be, some level of identity for them, and a severly restricted food supply (we'd have to have less, but they would have more), but today I heard a woman calling from the Convention Center in N.O. and it was her second time calling CNN. The first time there were 8 bodies in the refrigerators. 4 hours later there were 12. How can we help? Certainly money doesn't do the job, for there are no places for these people to live, no jobs to go to, no abilities for them to gain medical attention, and nothing to say that people care. The only option would be to offer our help in the only way we can. Give people a place to live so they can try to recover that no one has questions about our compadres in New Orleans who obviously have to be missing on the forum. During tornadoes in Nashville, through the 9/11 attacks, people here have been aware of what's happening to others around the nation and have responded with concern. Yet I find nothing here and we know for a fact that there are those who may need help and not a single note of concern. There has been such over on the AMPEX BACKROOM list, as there has been on The movie production NG (to the amusing consternation of at least one member who complained that the posts of a poster on the ground there were annoying and irreleveant... He was shouted down nicely!) This is hardly the primarily barlike, adult, human and civil forum it once was and it doesn;t surprise me. I know my wife will kill me for offering, although I see the horror in her eyes. Then again it means room for one more. I'll be glad to give up my studio for 18 months if that's what it takes. Can anyone imagine what toll it would take if New York had to be evacuated? -- Roger W. Norman SirMusic Studio http://blogs.salon.com/0004478/ |
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"Roger W. Norman" wrote in message... that no one has questions about our compadres in New Orleans who obviously have to be missing on the forum. I sent mail to Richard Webb and Jeannie Perkins... got an answer from Jean, she is fine - lost only the things that were at her work place and a car left in remote parking for mass transit... house came through fine. Nothing yet from 'El-Spider'. I don't know anyone else who was for sure there. DM |
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It's nice to know that at least one person is fine.
I urge everyone to figure out what can be done. If someone will sponsor a family's trip to DC, I'll put them up. It won't be pretty and it won't be fun. But it can be done and if just a few of us try, we can make a difference. Any effort makes a difference but money isn't enough. But it's obvious that nothing the governments do will ever actually help. They may save some lives, but what lives will they be? Apparently people all over the country are now responding, regardless of whether it's to my particular call or not. The idea is that Americans have to figure out this problem because our government can't. And if that's the way it's got to be then so be it. Nobody gets off scott free on this one. Either it costs you in gas, or the loss of seafood, or any number of other possibilities, or you step up and do something about it thereby making what you lost feel better because you helped. And even if it costs in food, gas or other commodities, we have the ability to bring this nation back together in common cause. Saving lives, saving families, and building on the foundation of communal togetherness. As I'm typing Condi Rice is again lying to the American public by making statements not in evidence, like accepting help from outside sources. From what I remember just a couple of days ago, Hugo Chavez of Venezula offered help and was turned down by no communications from the USA at all. The US has not accepted any help from any agency of any other government in the world. In the true Cowboy style of this piece of **** President, we'll go it alone, damned the consequences. ****, what happened to Ain't to Proud to Beg? -- Roger W. Norman SirMusic Studio http://blogs.salon.com/0004478/ "David Morgan (MAMS)" wrote in message news:WN2Se.58$Sx4.5@trnddc06... "Roger W. Norman" wrote in message... that no one has questions about our compadres in New Orleans who obvious ly have to be missing on the forum. I sent mail to Richard Webb and Jeannie Perkins... got an answer from Jean, she is fine - lost only the things that were at her work place and a car left in remote parking for mass transit... house came through fine. Nothing yet from 'El-Spider'. I don't know anyone else who was for sure there. DM |
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I urge everyone to figure out what can be done. If someone will sponsor a
family's trip to DC, I'll put them up. There is a Red Cross Shelter in DC that is taking folks from New Orleans. You might want to get in contact with them. I've been able to reach a few friends of mine down there by e-mail and luckily they survived this. One of them is now homeless and may be on his way here now. I'm waiting to hear. There is also a relief effort being organized here to take people in. Transportation has been the real issue, but that's being solved. "Roger W. Norman" wrote in message ... It's nice to know that at least one person is fine. I urge everyone to figure out what can be done. If someone will sponsor a family's trip to DC, I'll put them up. It won't be pretty and it won't be fun. But it can be done and if just a few of us try, we can make a difference. Any effort makes a difference but money isn't enough. But it's obvious that nothing the governments do will ever actually help. They may save some lives, but what lives will they be? Apparently people all over the country are now responding, regardless of whether it's to my particular call or not. The idea is that Americans have to figure out this problem because our government can't. And if that's the way it's got to be then so be it. Nobody gets off scott free on this one. Either it costs you in gas, or the loss of seafood, or any number of other possibilities, or you step up and do something about it thereby making what you lost feel better because you helped. And even if it costs in food, gas or other commodities, we have the ability to bring this nation back together in common cause. Saving lives, saving families, and building on the foundation of communal togetherness. As I'm typing Condi Rice is again lying to the American public by making statements not in evidence, like accepting help from outside sources. From what I remember just a couple of days ago, Hugo Chavez of Venezula offered help and was turned down by no communications from the USA at all. The US has not accepted any help from any agency of any other government in the world. In the true Cowboy style of this piece of **** President, we'll go it alone, damned the consequences. ****, what happened to Ain't to Proud to Beg? -- Roger W. Norman SirMusic Studio http://blogs.salon.com/0004478/ "David Morgan (MAMS)" wrote in message news:WN2Se.58$Sx4.5@trnddc06... "Roger W. Norman" wrote in message... that no one has questions about our compadres in New Orleans who obvious ly have to be missing on the forum. I sent mail to Richard Webb and Jeannie Perkins... got an answer from Jean, she is fine - lost only the things that were at her work place and a car left in remote parking for mass transit... house came through fine. Nothing yet from 'El-Spider'. I don't know anyone else who was for sure there. DM |
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I did. In fact, we should have 400 evacuees coming into the DC Armory
tomorrow or Tuesday, but they only want money or food. I can do either, but that wasn't my point, as has been exhibited by the hijacking of my original post. The idea was that we, as Americans, should be able to offer MORE, like a real place to live, a real place to try to gain work to rebuild lives, a real place to take a shower or put a child to bed, or give them something they can hold on to. However this Jona guy wanted to go off on me, it doesn't make any difference. He actually took time away from my efforts in trying to help individual people and families towards getting somewhere that they can do something for themselves. Anyone that doesn't recognize the obstacles placed into the path of people wanting to help themselves once the government gets involved simply haven't paid attention. I'm absolutely positive that the American people are better able to take care of other Americans, physically, emotionally and psychologically, than the federal government. For those interested in the DC area with supporting families from the devastation in the Gulf, I will be glad to act as a central point of contact because I've already been working on developing contacts. I may or may not be able to get through the red tape, but I can only try. Numbers mean more than individuals that won't get anywhere within the agencies involved. -- Roger W. Norman SirMusic Studio http://blogs.salon.com/0004478/ "Animix" wrote in message ... I urge everyone to figure out what can be done. If someone will sponsor a family's trip to DC, I'll put them up. There is a Red Cross Shelter in DC that is taking folks from New Orleans. You might want to get in contact with them. I've been able to reach a few friends of mine down there by e-mail and luckily they survived this. One of them is now homeless and may be on his way here now. I'm waiting to hear. There is also a relief effort being organized here to take people in. Transportation has been the real issue, but that's being solved. "Roger W. Norman" wrote in message ... It's nice to know that at least one person is fine. I urge everyone to figure out what can be done. If someone will sponsor a family's trip to DC, I'll put them up. It won't be pretty and it won't be fun. But it can be done and if just a few of us try, we can make a difference. Any effort makes a difference but money isn't enough. But it's obvious that nothing the governments do will ever actually help. They may save some lives, but what lives will they be? Apparently people all over the country are now responding, regardless of whether it's to my particular call or not. The idea is that Americans have to figure out this problem because our government can't. And if that's the way it's got to be then so be it. Nobody gets off scott free on this one. Either it costs you in gas, or the loss of seafood, or any number of other possibilities, or you step up and do something about it thereby making what you lost feel better because you helped. And even if it costs in food, gas or other commodities, we have the ability to bring this nation back together in common cause. Saving lives, saving families, and building on the foundation of communal togetherness. As I'm typing Condi Rice is again lying to the American public by making statements not in evidence, like accepting help from outside sources. From what I remember just a couple of days ago, Hugo Chavez of Venezula offered help and was turned down by no communications from the USA at all. The US has not accepted any help from any agency of any other government in the world. In the true Cowboy style of this piece of **** President, we'll go it alone, damned the consequences. ****, what happened to Ain't to Proud to Beg? -- Roger W. Norman SirMusic Studio http://blogs.salon.com/0004478/ "David Morgan (MAMS)" wrote in message news:WN2Se.58$Sx4.5@trnddc06... "Roger W. Norman" wrote in message... that no one has questions about our compadres in New Orleans who obvious ly have to be missing on the forum. I sent mail to Richard Webb and Jeannie Perkins... got an answer from Jean, she is fine - lost only the things that were at her work place and a car left in remote parking for mass transit... house came through fine. Nothing yet from 'El-Spider'. I don't know anyone else who was for sure there. DM |
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Just as a bright point, WPFW all weekend has been working as a
non-governmental touchpoint for organising local resources af housing (they have a group with at least one building with available space and a call for carpenters to work it into living space gratis) and other resources in DC |
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"Roger W. Norman" wrote in
message I did. In fact, we should have 400 evacuees coming into the DC Armory tomorrow or Tuesday, but they only want money or food. I can do either, but that wasn't my point, as has been exhibited by the hijacking of my original post. The idea was that we, as Americans, should be able to offer MORE, like a real place to live, a real place to try to gain work to rebuild lives, a real place to take a shower or put a child to bed, or give them something they can hold on to. Texas has absorbed about 250,000 evacuees. Even Detroit has taken on 3,000 evacuees. |
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Well, I can't believe I've gotten only a couple of responses, mostly from
people that know me, but I'm now going to try to get in touch with authorities to get a family here to offer them shelter. New Orleans is going to burn to the waterline. My wife and I are going to step forward, and I hope that some of you will follow suit. I'll keep you appraised. -- Roger W. Norman SirMusic Studio http://blogs.salon.com/0004478/ "Roger W. Norman" wrote in message ... that no one has questions about our compadres in New Orleans who obviously have to be missing on the forum. During tornadoes in Nashville, through the 9/11 attacks, people here have been aware of what's happening to others around the nation and have responded with concern. Yet I find nothing here and we know for a fact that there are those who may need help and not a single note of concern. If anyone knows of any of our RAP contributors that needs a place to live for the next four months or whatever (my true guess is 18 months), whilst this nation works towards some solution to this problem, I volunteer my home, even at the expense of my wife becoming incensed about the possibility. I don't know how anyone would get here, since I live just outside of DC, but I have no doubts that people who are in such dire straights cannot go about setting their lives straight without the deliberate help of others to offer these people a place to start to recover. It is impossible for anyone to get a job and start to try to recover from such a tragedy in a shelter such as the Astrodome. It is impossible for anyone to qualm the fears of their children without stability in their surroundings. It will be impossible for the nightmares to end without each and every one of us doing what we can do. This is one of those times where a CD compilation won't do the job. No money, however much it could possibly be, will accomplish the goals necessary. We have to come to a much more human offering, that being a life to those that now have nothing with which to call a life. I have no clue as to how my wife and I could accomplish more than an offering of space to live as limited as that would be, some level of identity for them, and a severly restricted food supply (we'd have to have less, but they would have more), but today I heard a woman calling from the Convention Center in N.O. and it was her second time calling CNN. The first time there were 8 bodies in the refrigerators. 4 hours later there were 12. How can we help? Certainly money doesn't do the job, for there are no places for these people to live, no jobs to go to, no abilities for them to gain medical attention, and nothing to say that people care. The only option would be to offer our help in the only way we can. Give people a place to live so they can try to recover. I know my wife will kill me for offering, although I see the horror in her eyes. Then again it means room for one more. I'll be glad to give up my studio for 18 months if that's what it takes. Can anyone imagine what toll it would take if New York had to be evacuated? -- Roger W. Norman SirMusic Studio http://blogs.salon.com/0004478/ |
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I've not found a responsible agency that would put me into touch with anyone
that could use moving out of New Orleans. I find this stupidity. The city is going to burn to the ground or at least to the water line. And there's no response, no matter how I try, to come up with a contact to bring any family up from New Orleans, nor anyone that wants to take responsibility for accepting the help my wife and I have chosen to give. This is outlandish. The President simply used the entire situation as a photo op. I am offering a possible solution. I am daunted by the impossibility to actually give help. But I will try again. I'm going to try by starting to contact Greyhound to move families to people interested in giving people homes for the short term, but more importantly, getting them to commit to moving the people away from where they are the most affected by what is happening to their city. After that, I will start calling other businesses to see whether it's possible to move people. It's a holiday weekend and this morning my local TV news broadcast was talking about people going to the beaches. I doubt this is the case. Who, in their right minds, could walk away from this problem without wanting to help? -- Roger W. Norman SirMusic Studio http://blogs.salon.com/0004478/ "Roger W. Norman" wrote in message ... Well, I can't believe I've gotten only a couple of responses, mostly from people that know me, but I'm now going to try to get in touch with authorities to get a family here to offer them shelter. New Orleans is going to burn to the waterline. My wife and I are going to step forward, and I hope that some of you will follow suit. I'll keep you appraised. -- Roger W. Norman SirMusic Studio http://blogs.salon.com/0004478/ "Roger W. Norman" wrote in message ... that no one has questions about our compadres in New Orleans who obviously have to be missing on the forum. During tornadoes in Nashville, through the 9/11 attacks, people here have been aware of what's happening to others around the nation and have responded with concern. Yet I find nothing here and we know for a fact that there are those who may need help and not a single note of concern. If anyone knows of any of our RAP contributors that needs a place to live for the next four months or whatever (my true guess is 18 months), whilst this nation works towards some solution to this problem, I volunteer my home, even at the expense of my wife becoming incensed about the possibility. I don't know how anyone would get here, since I live just outside of DC, but I have no doubts that people who are in such dire straights cannot go about setting their lives straight without the deliberate help of others to offer these people a place to start to recover. It is impossible for anyone to get a job and start to try to recover from such a tragedy in a shelter such as the Astrodome. It is impossible for anyone to qualm the fears of their children without stability in their surroundings. It will be impossible for the nightmares to end without each and every one of us doing what we can do. This is one of those times where a CD compilation won't do the job. No money, however much it could possibly be, will accomplish the goals necessary. We have to come to a much more human offering, that being a life to those that now have nothing with which to call a life. I have no clue as to how my wife and I could accomplish more than an offering of space to live as limited as that would be, some level of identity for them, and a severly restricted food supply (we'd have to have less, but they would have more), but today I heard a woman calling from the Convention Center in N.O. and it was her second time calling CNN. The first time there were 8 bodies in the refrigerators. 4 hours later there were 12. How can we help? Certainly money doesn't do the job, for there are no places for these people to live, no jobs to go to, no abilities for them to gain medical attention, and nothing to say that people care. The only option would be to offer our help in the only way we can. Give people a place to live so they can try to recover. I know my wife will kill me for offering, although I see the horror in her eyes. Then again it means room for one more. I'll be glad to give up my studio for 18 months if that's what it takes. Can anyone imagine what toll it would take if New York had to be evacuated? -- Roger W. Norman SirMusic Studio http://blogs.salon.com/0004478/ |
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Well, you can't get there from here. There are no responsible agencies that
take calls, no places to call other than if you have relatives, and no way to try to offer help on a personal basis. Now I recognize that a lot is going on, but there should always be an avenue of communications that allows the individual to help, even if it takes deliving into the most basic layers of a website, but even with direct calls to FEMA and other bodies, no one wants to allow for the possibility that the average American can help. This is stupidity in it's purest form. After some 2 hours of trying to work the phones, calling everyone I can get a hold of, I have nothing. It's not possible for the average American to help. I realize that the time frames of my posts don't support the 2 hours of effort, but believe me, I've spent a lot more time than two hours. By the time any of us can get to help these people they will be beyond help. At that point it doesn't make any difference whether you and I are willing to provide homes. It becomes a moot point. Seems the federal government thinks they have it all under contoll. I can't even get in touch with the Govenor of Louisiana nor any of her cohorts. Not saying that any of her cohorts should be answering the calls, but at least they should be answering the questions if it means even on family saved. -- Roger W. Norman SirMusic Studio http://blogs.salon.com/0004478/ "Roger W. Norman" wrote in message ... I've not found a responsible agency that would put me into touch with anyone that could use moving out of New Orleans. I find this stupidity. The city is going to burn to the ground or at least to the water line. And there's no response, no matter how I try, to come up with a contact to bring any family up from New Orleans, nor anyone that wants to take responsibility for accepting the help my wife and I have chosen to give. This is outlandish. The President simply used the entire situation as a photo op. I am offering a possible solution. I am daunted by the impossibility to actually give help. But I will try again. I'm going to try by starting to contact Greyhound to move families to people interested in giving people homes for the short term, but more importantly, getting them to commit to moving the people away from where they are the most affected by what is happening to their city. After that, I will start calling other businesses to see whether it's possible to move people. It's a holiday weekend and this morning my local TV news broadcast was talking about people going to the beaches. I doubt this is the case. Who, in their right minds, could walk away from this problem without wanting to help? -- Roger W. Norman SirMusic Studio http://blogs.salon.com/0004478/ "Roger W. Norman" wrote in message ... Well, I can't believe I've gotten only a couple of responses, mostly from people that know me, but I'm now going to try to get in touch with authorities to get a family here to offer them shelter. New Orleans is going to burn to the waterline. My wife and I are going to step forward, and I hope that some of you will follow suit. I'll keep you appraised. -- Roger W. Norman SirMusic Studio http://blogs.salon.com/0004478/ "Roger W. Norman" wrote in message ... that no one has questions about our compadres in New Orleans who obviously have to be missing on the forum. During tornadoes in Nashville, through the 9/11 attacks, people here have been aware of what's happening to others around the nation and have responded with concern. Yet I find nothing here and we know for a fact that there are those who may need help and not a single note of concern. If anyone knows of any of our RAP contributors that needs a place to live for the next four months or whatever (my true guess is 18 months), whilst this nation works towards some solution to this problem, I volunteer my home, even at the expense of my wife becoming incensed about the possibility. I don't know how anyone would get here, since I live just outside of DC, but I have no doubts that people who are in such dire straights cannot go about setting their lives straight without the deliberate help of others to offer these people a place to start to recover. It is impossible for anyone to get a job and start to try to recover from such a tragedy in a shelter such as the Astrodome. It is impossible for anyone to qualm the fears of their children without stability in their surroundings. It will be impossible for the nightmares to end without each and every one of us doing what we can do. This is one of those times where a CD compilation won't do the job. No money, however much it could possibly be, will accomplish the goals necessary. We have to come to a much more human offering, that being a life to those that now have nothing with which to call a life. I have no clue as to how my wife and I could accomplish more than an offering of space to live as limited as that would be, some level of identity for them, and a severly restricted food supply (we'd have to have less, but they would have more), but today I heard a woman calling from the Convention Center in N.O. and it was her second time calling CNN. The first time there were 8 bodies in the refrigerators. 4 hours later there were 12. How can we help? Certainly money doesn't do the job, for there are no places for these people to live, no jobs to go to, no abilities for them to gain medical attention, and nothing to say that people care. The only option would be to offer our help in the only way we can. Give people a place to live so they can try to recover. I know my wife will kill me for offering, although I see the horror in her eyes. Then again it means room for one more. I'll be glad to give up my studio for 18 months if that's what it takes. Can anyone imagine what toll it would take if New York had to be evacuated? -- Roger W. Norman SirMusic Studio http://blogs.salon.com/0004478/ |
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"Roger W. Norman" wrote in message ... Well, you can't get there from here. There are no responsible agencies that take calls, no places to call other than if you have relatives, and no way to try to offer help on a personal basis. TRY SENDING CASH. :| |
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Obviously you didn't understand the idea that cash was not a solution to a
problem. Perhaps you believe spending money on a problem you don't understand should produce more reasonable results? Like if your recording isn't good enough moving to 24/96 is the answer? Correct me if I'm wrong, but cash doesn't get to the people, and everything I've said about getting a job, the length of the problem, and working on how children perceive what's happening didn't touch you. I guess this proves that idiots are born every minute. I just didn't expect to get one. -- Roger W. Norman SirMusic Studio http://blogs.salon.com/0004478/ "Jona Vark" wrote in message . .. "Roger W. Norman" wrote in message ... Well, you can't get there from here. There are no responsible agencies that take calls, no places to call other than if you have relatives, and no way to try to offer help on a personal basis. TRY SENDING CASH. :| |
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On Fri, 02 Sep 2005 22:50:39 GMT, "Jona Vark" wrote:
"Roger W. Norman" wrote in message ... Well, you can't get there from here. There are no responsible agencies that take calls, no places to call other than if you have relatives, and no way to try to offer help on a personal basis. TRY SENDING CASH. :| I'm not all that comfortable with just sending cash. I also feel compelled to find a way to go down there and help out in some constructive way. I'm way up here in canada and I'd be willing to shelter people if need be. |
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Roger W. Norman wrote: I've not found a responsible agency that would put me into touch with anyone that could use moving out of New Orleans. Check with craigslist. I just heard on CNN that they are stepping up to bat in trying to connect folks. Bob -- "Things should be described as simply as possible, but no simpler." A. Einstein |
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Roger W. Norman wrote: Well, I can't believe I've gotten only a couple of responses, mostly from people that know me, but I'm now going to try to get in touch with authorities to get a family here to offer them shelter. Right on, Roger. Doing that will make you a giant in my eyes. Bob -- "Things should be described as simply as possible, but no simpler." A. Einstein |
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I have an earlier response below. My desires to actually help families are
going to take one hell of a lot of work. -- Roger W. Norman SirMusic Studio http://blogs.salon.com/0004478/ "Bob Cain" wrote in message ... Roger W. Norman wrote: Well, I can't believe I've gotten only a couple of responses, mostly from people that know me, but I'm now going to try to get in touch with authorities to get a family here to offer them shelter. Right on, Roger. Doing that will make you a giant in my eyes. Bob -- "Things should be described as simply as possible, but no simpler." A. Einstein |
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"Roger W. Norman" wrote:
that no one has questions about our compadres in New Orleans ... I have had many and I was and I stil am deeply concerned about the gravety, and took the silence here as an indication of how severe the situation is, and still was perplexed by that silence and had expected someone to post something. However it was somewhat obvious that people with no mains power and flooded and or erased cities would not be likely to to post about it presently. Roger W. Norman Kind regards Peter Larsen -- ******************************************* * My site is at: http://www.muyiovatki.dk * ******************************************* |
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I was more looking towards finding if anyone was missing that might be
within our group of a group of our group. I didn't really expect people from New Orleans to respond. I'll give more information about the other efforts, although I posted just a minute ago about what I've found out about my own area here just outside of Washington, DC. Seems that some 400 evacuees will be heading this way in the next day or two. -- Roger W. Norman SirMusic Studio http://blogs.salon.com/0004478/ "Peter Larsen" wrote in message ... "Roger W. Norman" wrote: that no one has questions about our compadres in New Orleans ... I have had many and I was and I stil am deeply concerned about the gravety, and took the silence here as an indication of how severe the situation is, and still was perplexed by that silence and had expected someone to post something. However it was somewhat obvious that people with no mains power and flooded and or erased cities would not be likely to to post about it presently. Roger W. Norman Kind regards Peter Larsen -- ******************************************* * My site is at: http://www.muyiovatki.dk * ******************************************* |
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Roger W. Norman wrote: If anyone knows of any of our RAP contributors that needs a place to live for the next four months or whatever (my true guess is 18 months), whilst this nation works towards some solution to this problem, I volunteer my home, even at the expense of my wife becoming incensed about the possibility. Not to in any way detract from your kind offer, Roger, but what is needed right now is people everywhere being able and willing to do this without regard to common interest or commonality of any kind. The states which border this catastrophe are simply not going to be able to do the job. From the numbers of refugees that I've heard, people all over this country are going to have to open their homes, or even make their garages habitable and available, to solve the problem. How people _with_ can be matched with people _without_ is a problem that puzzles me, though. This is the first time in a long time that I've regreted my minimization of requirements (and income) to the least space and facility I can reasonably get by with. Bob -- "Things should be described as simply as possible, but no simpler." A. Einstein |
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Bob Cain wrote: Roger W. Norman wrote: If anyone knows of any of our RAP contributors that needs a place to live for the next four months or whatever (my true guess is 18 months), whilst this nation works towards some solution to this problem, I volunteer my home, even at the expense of my wife becoming incensed about the possibility. Not to in any way detract from your kind offer, Roger, but what is needed right now is people everywhere being able and willing to do this without regard to common interest or commonality of any kind. Oops. You were way ahead of me. Bob -- "Things should be described as simply as possible, but no simpler." A. Einstein |
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Not a problem. Well, still might be a problem with my wife. Loss of her
father this year, a couple of my family, a stroke in my family, and more dependence on all of us has kind of put things over the top. But I've always found that humanity isn't the level of what you can't do, but what you can do and no one knows what they can do until they try it. If there is anything that requires trying harder, this must be it. If not, then we'll be better prepared for the next time. Whatever doesn't kill you makes you stronger. Perhaps we've come to the time where the stronger help the weaker and we all get stronger. But not if we put up with what I've been coming up with from the agencies involved. Offering a person a place to live under these circumstances is harder than trying to find a hen's tooth to extract. I've spent hours with only regulations being regurgitated to me, and truthfully, if there were regulations, why wasn't there action? And doesn't anyone have the authority to say the regulations aren't working and step outside of the box? Those of us that are Americans should be able to offer our homes to Americans in need without question. Period. And local regulations shouldn't stop us from housing more than what the normal circumstance regulations require. Time to do the right thing. -- Roger W. Norman SirMusic Studio http://blogs.salon.com/0004478/ "Bob Cain" wrote in message ... Bob Cain wrote: Roger W. Norman wrote: If anyone knows of any of our RAP contributors that needs a place to live for the next four months or whatever (my true guess is 18 months), whilst this nation works towards some solution to this problem, I volunteer my home, even at the expense of my wife becoming incensed about the possibility. Not to in any way detract from your kind offer, Roger, but what is needed right now is people everywhere being able and willing to do this without regard to common interest or commonality of any kind. Oops. You were way ahead of me. Bob -- "Things should be described as simply as possible, but no simpler." A. Einstein |
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"Roger W. Norman" wrote in
message Can anyone imagine what toll it would take if New York had to be evacuated? In fact 500,000 or more were evacuated from Manhattan on 9/11. On a normal workday there are 2.2 million commuters in New York. |
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "Roger W. Norman" wrote in message Can anyone imagine what toll it would take if New York had to be evacuated? In fact 500,000 or more were evacuated from Manhattan on 9/11. On a normal workday there are 2.2 million commuters in New York. But they had a city to return to, didn't they? |
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"David Morgan (MAMS)" wrote in
message news:uI0Te.12739$IT4.10269@trnddc04 "Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "Roger W. Norman" wrote in message Can anyone imagine what toll it would take if New York had to be evacuated? In fact 500,000 or more were evacuated from Manhattan on 9/11. On a normal workday there are 2.2 million commuters in New York. But they had a city to return to, didn't they? Different problem. |
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "David Morgan (MAMS)" wrote in message news:uI0Te.12739$IT4.10269@trnddc04 "Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "Roger W. Norman" wrote in message Can anyone imagine what toll it would take if New York had to be evacuated? In fact 500,000 or more were evacuated from Manhattan on 9/11. On a normal workday there are 2.2 million commuters in New York. But they had a city to return to, didn't they? Different problem. They really never got them out. The bridges were closed before the evac was complete, no? Then, they were only a mile or so from food and water and no "aftermath" on the environment. Basically, you are trying to compare the disaster of a two-block radius, to the destruction of an entire coast line and the loss of an entire major city. There is no comparison. New York (albeit horrible) on 9/11 can't hold a candle to the impact on society that is occuring here. |
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"David Morgan (MAMS)" wrote in
message news:kf1Te.13148$B34.7161@trnddc09 "Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "David Morgan (MAMS)" wrote in message news:uI0Te.12739$IT4.10269@trnddc04 "Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "Roger W. Norman" wrote in message Can anyone imagine what toll it would take if New York had to be evacuated? In fact 500,000 or more were evacuated from Manhattan on 9/11. On a normal workday there are 2.2 million commuters in New York. But they had a city to return to, didn't they? Different problem. Namely resettlement. They really never got them out. Really? The bridges were closed before the evac was complete, no? No that I know of. Outbound traffice was OK. Then, they were only a mile or so from food and water and no "aftermath" on the environment. If you're in the WTC area, or down by Wall Street, its probably a couple of mile walk to the other end of the nearest bridge. Basically, you are trying to compare the disaster of a two-block radius, to the destruction of an entire coast line and the loss of an entire major city. I've walked the WTC disaster area, and its a lot more than a two block radius. The WTC itself is about 4 blocks by 4 blocks. If you take the disaster area to include the buildings that had their exteriors cleaned, the disaster area is about 10 blocks by 10 blocks. The actual area that was cleared was far larger than that. There is no comparison. Agreed, but I'm addressing a specific claim that evacuating NY would have a toll in lives that would be somehow comparable or greater. New York (albeit horrible) on 9/11 can't hold a candle to the impact on society that is occuring here. Agreed! I was only addressing the evacuation, not the issues related to resettlement or reconstruction. |
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In article kf1Te.13148$B34.7161@trnddc09, MAMS\ wrote: "Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "David Morgan (MAMS)" wrote in message news:uI0Te.12739$IT4.10269@trnddc04 "Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "Roger W. Norman" wrote in message Can anyone imagine what toll it would take if New York had to be evacuated? In fact 500,000 or more were evacuated from Manhattan on 9/11. On a normal workday there are 2.2 million commuters in New York. But they had a city to return to, didn't they? Different problem. They really never got them out. The bridges were closed before the evac was complete, no? Then, they were only a mile or so from food and water and no "aftermath" on the environment. Basically, you are trying to compare the disaster of a two-block radius, to the destruction of an entire coast line and the loss of an entire major city. There is no comparison. New York (albeit horrible) on 9/11 can't hold a candle to the impact on society that is occuring here. there was an environmental aftermath. many people couldn't come back to their apartments as they were covered in all sorts of toxic dust. The EPA was not honest about it's assesment of the air quality (what else is new in this administration). Of course there was a city with food water power and phones only a mile or so away but there was a feeling that another attack was imminent. Different yet just as scary. |
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David Morgan (MAMS) wrote:
"Arny Krueger" wrote... "Roger W. Norman" wrote Can anyone imagine what toll it would take if New York had to be evacuated? In fact 500,000 or more were evacuated from Manhattan on 9/11. On a normal workday there are 2.2 million commuters in New York. But they had a city to return to, didn't they? You mean like a city with power and water and highways, right? That sort of little stuff Arny's taking for granted. Arny, this line is making you look a lot like a guy who'd give SR advice and not know what is FOH. Think about it. "I'm a comfortable white guy with plenty of camping gear so I don't see why those folks had problems." Unh hunh... - ha |
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Yep. In order to camp on a lake first you MUST have a catamaran. And even
then you can't start a campfire. Well, you could once. -- Roger W. Norman SirMusic Studio http://blogs.salon.com/0004478/ "hank alrich" wrote in message ... David Morgan (MAMS) wrote: "Arny Krueger" wrote... "Roger W. Norman" wrote Can anyone imagine what toll it would take if New York had to be evacuated? In fact 500,000 or more were evacuated from Manhattan on 9/11. On a normal workday there are 2.2 million commuters in New York. But they had a city to return to, didn't they? You mean like a city with power and water and highways, right? That sort of little stuff Arny's taking for granted. Arny, this line is making you look a lot like a guy who'd give SR advice and not know what is FOH. Think about it. "I'm a comfortable white guy with plenty of camping gear so I don't see why those folks had problems." Unh hunh... - ha |
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