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possible to use car radio with car speakers in house?
Ok, long story short. I listen to music 99% of the time in my car.
Lately, after a long hiatus, I've gotten back into mixing, EQing, etc my music. I learned long ago that what it sounded like in the house it never did in the car and I'd have to readjust mixes many times until they sounded right. Now I no longer have a home system, only the car. Rather than continually dragging my laptop out into the car and doing the mixes, which works because I plug into the same amp that my music player uses, I'm wondering if it's possible to set up the same car radio and speakers in the house? I have a 2000 Mercury Sable. I've checked on places like eBay and the radio seems available as a junk yard pull in some cases, but with many wires so I'm not sure I could get it working in the house. Your thoughts would be welcome. For years, I always searched for a plug-in that would mimic what the car sounded like in the house, but I never found one... by some miracle, maybe they have one now. Thanks, JBL |
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On 15/02/2018 1:42 PM, JBI wrote:
Ok, long story short.Â* I listen to music 99% of the time in my car. Lately, after a long hiatus, I've gotten back into mixing, EQing, etc my music.Â* I learned long ago that what it sounded like in the house it never did in the car and I'd have to readjust mixes many times until they sounded right.Â* Now I no longer have a home system, only the car. Rather than continually dragging my laptop out into the car and doing the mixes, which works because I plug into the same amp that my music player uses, I'm wondering if it's possible to set up the same car radio and speakers in the house?Â* I have a 2000 Mercury Sable.Â* I've checked on places like eBay and the radio seems available as a junk yard pull in some cases, but with many wires so I'm not sure I could get it working in the house.Â* Your thoughts would be welcome.Â* For years, I always searched for a plug-in that would mimic what the car sounded like in the house, but I never found one... by some miracle, maybe they have one now. You are on the wrong track entirely. The radio itself will make bugger all difference. The same speakers you could put into boxes and use in the house which will get you about 20% of the way. The other 80% is the listening space. ie replicating the car interior (and possibly the surrounding environment like road noise etc.) inside your house is not very practical! However mimicking the frequency response and reverberation characteristics of the car interior is pretty easy. But don't expect it to sound exactly like the car. The real question you should be asking yourself is why on earth would you want to master for one particular crap environment when all the commercial recordings you play there are not? Trevor. |
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On 15-02-2018 03:42, JBI wrote:
Ok, long story short. I listen to music 99% of the time in my car. Lately, after a long hiatus, I've gotten back into mixing, EQing, etc my music. What do you mean when you write this? - do you create music or are we taking creating muzak tapes of other peoples music? I learned long ago that what it sounded like in the house it never did in the car and I'd have to readjust mixes many times until they sounded right. Now I no longer have a home system, only the car. Rather than continually dragging my laptop out into the car and doing the mixes, which works because I plug into the same amp that my music player uses, I'm wondering if it's possible to set up the same car radio and speakers in the house? I have a 2000 Mercury Sable. I've checked on places like eBay and the radio seems available as a junk yard pull in some cases, but with many wires so I'm not sure I could get it working in the house. Your thoughts would be welcome. For years, I always searched for a plug-in that would mimic what the car sounded like in the house, but I never found one... by some miracle, maybe they have one now. Cars are special acoustic environments. Some bass frequency bands resonate in them, some pass directly through the panels and bugger the pedestrians. Overall however they are dominated by a very absorbent interior and the large room gain at low frequencies that exists in a small volume. Get a proper system for playback in the living room, KEF Coaxials, Q15 or larger, Q30 are usable as nearfield full range monitors, I do just that with my videoediting computer with a Sansui 217 mk II amplifier that was fairly cheap considering that I wanted just that. Or look for something Rotel at garagesales and fleamarkets. Thanks, JBL Kind regards Peter Larsen |
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On 15/02/2018 3:42 PM, JBI wrote:
Ok, long story short.Â* I listen to music 99% of the time in my car. Lately, after a long hiatus, I've gotten back into mixing, EQing, etc my music.Â* I learned long ago that what it sounded like in the house it never did in the car and I'd have to readjust mixes many times until they sounded right.Â* Now I no longer have a home system, only the car. Rather than continually dragging my laptop out into the car and doing the mixes, which works because I plug into the same amp that my music player uses, I'm wondering if it's possible to set up the same car radio and speakers in the house?Â* I have a 2000 Mercury Sable.Â* I've checked on places like eBay and the radio seems available as a junk yard pull in some cases, but with many wires so I'm not sure I could get it working in the house.Â* Your thoughts would be welcome.Â* For years, I always searched for a plug-in that would mimic what the car sounded like in the house, but I never found one... by some miracle, maybe they have one now. Thanks, JBL One would hope you are joking. If not, go to any car store and buy a similar car audio setup, and mount the speakers in a box similar size shape to your car doors. Then when you process the music, twiddle a graphic EQ around in order to severely stuff up the sound, and add a noise generator. You could twiddle away at this in real-time until you hit the right combinations of the above to give you the sound you evidently want. The reason why there is no custom plugin for this - because nobody in their right mind would want it ! geoff |
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On 2/15/2018 5:04 AM, geoff wrote:
The reason why there is no custom plugin for this - because nobody in their right mind would want it ! There are plug-ins that simulate various listening environments. Anybody in his right mind who is mixing music that might be played in a car would do well to at least get an idea of how it sounds in a car. You don't want to mix with such a plug-in in line, but rather, mix on trustworthy monitors, check for too much or too little of something with the plug-in, then go back to the monitors and make adjustments for the best compromise. Here's one with a free trial (but it's kind of expensive) https://shop.audified.com/products/mixchecker Some studios in the 1970s and 80s used a low power FM transmitter to broadcast to a car, often the client's, in the parking lot, to check mixes. But the point is that you CHECK the mix in the car, you don't mix in it. -- For a good time, call http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com |
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"Mike Rivers" wrote in message news On 2/15/2018 5:04 AM, geoff wrote: The reason why there is no custom plugin for this - because nobody in their right mind would want it ! There are plug-ins that simulate various listening environments. Anybody in his right mind who is mixing music that might be played in a car would do well to at least get an idea of how it sounds in a car. Can those plug-ins simulate different models of cars? Music in my cargo van sounds a lot different in my wife's Ford Fusion. (I can see it now....people making IRs of Honda's, Toyotas, Chevy's, etc....would make a good Cheech n' Chong bit) Poly --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
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On 2/15/2018 12:53 PM, polymod wrote:
Can those plug-ins simulate different models of cars? Music in my cargo van sounds a lot different in my wife's Ford Fusion. I reviewed a gadget from Focusrite that I don't think they make any more that was a D/A converter + room simulator + headphone amplifier that had a sedan and a van simulation. -- For a good time, call http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com |
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"Mike Rivers" wrote in message news On 2/15/2018 12:53 PM, polymod wrote: Can those plug-ins simulate different models of cars? Music in my cargo van sounds a lot different in my wife's Ford Fusion. I reviewed a gadget from Focusrite that I don't think they make any more that was a D/A converter + room simulator + headphone amplifier that had a sedan and a van simulation. For some reason this made me laugh like hell. Thanks for the info. Poly --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
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What has yet to be mentioned is the processing normally done by radio stations before the sound gets to your radio. You'd need at least an Orban Optimod and probabaly 1 or 2 other gain reduction boxes to get in the ballpark of what a radio station sounds like.
Regards, Ty Ford |
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On 15/02/2018 02:42, JBI wrote:
Ok, long story short.Â* I listen to music 99% of the time in my car. Lately, after a long hiatus, I've gotten back into mixing, EQing, etc my music.Â* I learned long ago that what it sounded like in the house it never did in the car and I'd have to readjust mixes many times until they sounded right.Â* Now I no longer have a home system, only the car. Rather than continually dragging my laptop out into the car and doing the mixes, which works because I plug into the same amp that my music player uses, I'm wondering if it's possible to set up the same car radio and speakers in the house?Â* I have a 2000 Mercury Sable.Â* I've checked on places like eBay and the radio seems available as a junk yard pull in some cases, but with many wires so I'm not sure I could get it working in the house.Â* Your thoughts would be welcome.Â* For years, I always searched for a plug-in that would mimic what the car sounded like in the house, but I never found one... by some miracle, maybe they have one now. If you can record an impulse response in your car, (A clicker, a frequency sweep and a recorder) and you have a good, flat, monitoring setup, then Voxengo sell a convolution reverb program and a deconovolver program that can take a recorded impulse response from your car, and apply that as a VST effect to your mix, so you will hear roughly what it will sound like in your car. -- Tciao for Now! John. |
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On 02/14/2018 09:42 PM, JBI wrote:
Ok, long story short.Â* I listen to music 99% of the time in my car. Lately, after a long hiatus, I've gotten back into mixing, EQing, etc my music.Â* I learned long ago that what it sounded like in the house it never did in the car and I'd have to readjust mixes many times until they sounded right.Â* Now I no longer have a home system, only the car. Rather than continually dragging my laptop out into the car and doing the mixes, which works because I plug into the same amp that my music player uses, I'm wondering if it's possible to set up the same car radio and speakers in the house?Â* I have a 2000 Mercury Sable.Â* I've checked on places like eBay and the radio seems available as a junk yard pull in some cases, but with many wires so I'm not sure I could get it working in the house.Â* Your thoughts would be welcome.Â* For years, I always searched for a plug-in that would mimic what the car sounded like in the house, but I never found one... by some miracle, maybe they have one now. Thanks, JBL Thanks for the responses, but all taken care of. I had some music that has had some artifacts for quite some time that needed removed. I've put up with them for several years in the car, but finally wanted to try and negate them. I used Izotope and problem solved. As for mixing other stuff, I just won't get into the headache again of mixing between house and car, so all of that will be on the back burner for now. |
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Nobody should be mastering anything for
any specific listening environment. Just make it sound as good as possible, and most systems will unobtrusively filter out what portions they are not capable of reproducing. (waiting for all the "it's not that simple" rants that are inevitable...) |
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On Friday, February 16, 2018 at 7:17:03 AM UTC-5, wrote:
Nobody should be mastering anything for any specific listening environment. Just make it sound as good as possible, and most systems will unobtrusively filter out what portions they are not capable of reproducing. (waiting for all the "it's not that simple" rants that are inevitable...) I feel you should consider what MOST people use to listen. Cheap computer speakers are popular, so why not slightly adjust the mix for them. They typically don't like lots of bass, they distort, so you should conserve. Just my two cents Jack |
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"geoff" wrote in message ... Yep, and perform music for the tone-deaf snip I played bass on a gig in the mid 70's for deaf/extremely hearing impaired folks. The band leader didn't tell me until I got to the gig fearing I'd back out. Turned out to be one of the best gigs I ever played. They danced every song by feeling the vibrations in the floor. Had me turn way up to help 'em feel the pulse. Poly --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
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On 20/02/2018 6:10 AM, geoff wrote:
On 20/02/2018 7:36 AM, wrote: On Friday, February 16, 2018 at 7:17:03 AM UTC-5, wrote: Nobody should be mastering anything for any specific listening environment.Â* Just make it sound as good as possible, and most systems will unobtrusively filter out what portions they are not capable of reproducing. (waiting for all the "it's not that simple" rants that are inevitable...) I feel you should consider what MOST people use to listen. Cheap computer speakers are popular, so why not slightly adjust the mix for them. They typically don't like lots of bass, they distort, so you should conserve. Just my two cents Yep, and perform music for the tone-deaf, and cook for those with no sense of taste, and take blurry photos. As usual so many people don't get the difference between "mastering" for earbuds, and simply checking there are NO problems after you have mastered on your big speakers. It's the easiest way to check for phase problems, and yet some commercial recordings still suffer from issues we saw back in the sixties when stereo first became the norm. :-( And with pan pot stereo, if half of your market is listening on earbuds, it is pretty stupid IMO to create "hole in the head" mixes just because you don't think anyone should be listening that way. We certainly aren't talking about orchestral recordings here! Trevor. |
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Trevor wrote: "And with pan pot stereo, if half of your market is listening on earbuds,
it is pretty stupid IMO to create "hole in the head" mixes just because you don't think anyone should be listening that way. We certainly aren't talking about orchestral recordings here! " Go ahead: Master for the least common denominator in playback devices. I just won't buy the **** - and will make sure nobody else does. Word of mouth is a good friend! |
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In article , JBI wrote:
Do you want a system in your home that sounds like the car? The car sounds the way it does because: 1. It has crappy speakers with the metal body of the car used as the cabinet so there are some odd resonances. 2. The speakers aren't pointed at the listener. 3. The listener is way off-center out of the sweet spot. 4. The room volume is very small (and the room is tightly sealed so the Q is high, unless you drive with the windows down). So you have some bass oddities. 5. The room is very reflective (due to the windows) but the surfaces are not parallel. Now, you can take some cheap car speakers and put them in boxes without about the same volume as the chambers behind them in the car. You can fill up the spaces behind the speakers in the car with packing peanuts, then put the peanuts in a box and figure out how many cubic inches they fill up. You can connect them to a home power amp and it will do what you say you want. But it won't really sound like the car does. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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Scott Dorsey wrote:
----------------------- The car sounds the way it does because: 1. It has crappy speakers with the metal body of the car used as the cabinet so there are some odd resonances. 2. The speakers aren't pointed at the listener. 3. The listener is way off-center out of the sweet spot. 4. The room volume is very small (and the room is tightly sealed so the Q is high, unless you drive with the windows down). So you have some bass oddities. 5. The room is very reflective (due to the windows) but the surfaces are not parallel. ** Gotta dispute that last one - sedan cars are very absorptive to sound, due to abundant use of upholstery, carpet and roof padding. The sound quality might be described as "intimate" with fake stereo imaging and lots of bass boom. Listening to the average car stereo is like being stuck inside a Juke box. ..... Phil |
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Phil Allison wrote:
Scott Dorsey wrote: 5. The room is very reflective (due to the windows) but the surfaces are not parallel. ** Gotta dispute that last one - sedan cars are very absorptive to sound, due to abundant use of upholstery, carpet and roof padding. You're absolutely right. And because of that and the small distances, the big reflections off the windows are perceived as comb filtering effects and weird imaging effects instead of as reverberation. The sound quality might be described as "intimate" with fake stereo imaging and lots of bass boom. It is strange, indeed. I have known studios that had junk cars in the back specifically to get a sense of what playback in a car would sound like, because it is so different than any other common acoustical situation. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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On 19/02/2018 3:26 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
Phil Allison wrote: Scott Dorsey wrote: 5. The room is very reflective (due to the windows) but the surfaces are not parallel. ** Gotta dispute that last one - sedan cars are very absorptive to sound, due to abundant use of upholstery, carpet and roof padding. You're absolutely right. And because of that and the small distances, the big reflections off the windows are perceived as comb filtering effects and weird imaging effects instead of as reverberation. The sound quality might be described as "intimate" with fake stereo imaging and lots of bass boom. It is strange, indeed. I have known studios that had junk cars in the back specifically to get a sense of what playback in a car would sound like, because it is so different than any other common acoustical situation. --scott Presumably just as a 'check' , not as the prime mixing or mastering objective ! geoff |
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geoff wrote:
It is strange, indeed. I have known studios that had junk cars in the back specifically to get a sense of what playback in a car would sound like, because it is so different than any other common acoustical situation. Presumably just as a 'check' , not as the prime mixing or mastering objective ! Of course. Because it's both a really weird acoustic AND a very common listening environment (maybe at the time the most common one), a check mix in a car is important. I admit that I have mixed in the back of a car doing live broadcast feeds at a festival, but I would not recommend this situation to my worst enemy. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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On 19/02/2018 6:09 AM, geoff wrote:
On 19/02/2018 3:26 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote: Phil AllisonÂ* wrote: Scott Dorsey wrote: 5. The room is very reflective (due to the windows) but the surfaces are not Â*Â*Â* parallel. ** Gotta dispute that last oneÂ* -Â* sedan cars are very absorptive to sound, due to abundant use of upholstery, carpet and roof padding. You're absolutely right.Â* And because of that and the small distances, the big reflections off the windows are perceived as comb filtering effects and weird imaging effects instead of as reverberation. The sound quality might be described as "intimate" with fake stereo imaging and lots of bass boom. It is strange, indeed.Â* I have known studios that had junk cars in the back specifically to get a sense of what playback in a car would sound like, because it is so different than any other common acoustical situation. Presumably just as a 'check' , not as the prime mixing or mastering objective ! I have never seen the point given the fact that there are thousands of different cars with different sound systems and different acoustic spaces that all sound ..... different! I just master for good sound on a flat system in a good environment. People who listen on crap and/or in crap conditions are used to it anyway. Not my problem. Now in the days where people seriously worried about what a pop40 single would sound like on a portable AM radio, given that was their prime market, there was some justification in checking that. These days checking on earbuds is what is required for that music. Trevor. |
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On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 2:10:05 PM UTC-5, geoff wrote:
On 19/02/2018 3:26 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote: Phil Allison wrote: Scott Dorsey wrote: 5. The room is very reflective (due to the windows) but the surfaces are not parallel. ** Gotta dispute that last one - sedan cars are very absorptive to sound, due to abundant use of upholstery, carpet and roof padding. You're absolutely right. And because of that and the small distances, the big reflections off the windows are perceived as comb filtering effects and weird imaging effects instead of as reverberation. The sound quality might be described as "intimate" with fake stereo imaging and lots of bass boom. It is strange, indeed. I have known studios that had junk cars in the back specifically to get a sense of what playback in a car would sound like, because it is so different than any other common acoustical situation. --scott Presumably just as a 'check' , not as the prime mixing or mastering objective ! You WON'T get this stereo from RCA or BMG. What is mentioned in my video is 100% true... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqzGTD7io4U Jack geoff |
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Scott Dorsey wrote:
--------------------- 5. The room is very reflective (due to the windows) but the surfaces are not parallel. ** Gotta dispute that last one - sedan cars are very absorptive to sound, due to abundant use of upholstery, carpet and roof padding. You're absolutely right. And because of that and the small distances, the big reflections off the windows are perceived as comb filtering effects and weird imaging effects instead of as reverberation. ** Window panes are flat so vibrate in sympathy with bass frequencies - letting them escape. The curved windows fitted to cars are far more rigid. It is strange, indeed. I have known studios that had junk cars in the back specifically to get a sense of what playback in a car would sound like, because it is so different than any other common acoustical situation. ** A voice over booth has many of the same things. ..... Phil |
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On Wednesday, February 14, 2018 at 9:42:49 PM UTC-5, JBI wrote:
Ok, long story short. I listen to music 99% of the time in my car. Lately, after a long hiatus, I've gotten back into mixing, EQing, etc my music. I learned long ago that what it sounded like in the house it never did in the car and I'd have to readjust mixes many times until they sounded right. Now I no longer have a home system, only the car. Rather than continually dragging my laptop out into the car and doing the mixes, which works because I plug into the same amp that my music player uses, I'm wondering if it's possible to set up the same car radio and speakers in the house? I have a 2000 Mercury Sable. I've checked on places like eBay and the radio seems available as a junk yard pull in some cases, but with many wires so I'm not sure I could get it working in the house. Your thoughts would be welcome. For years, I always searched for a plug-in that would mimic what the car sounded like in the house, but I never found one... by some miracle, maybe they have one now. Thanks, JBL JBL? You make Speakers? :-) Just rambling.... Decades ago (early 70's), I acquired a used 4 track car tape player from a friend. I hooked it up in the house and it was working, but had no 4 track cartridge tapes to play (only 8 track). I went to, maybe even Pep Boys, to see what could be bought. There, I found a Cozy Cole (drummer) 4 track tape, loaded it into the car player, and was pleased with the Big Band sound! As one member of a Top 40 music group reported to me, their hit song was mixed with a pair of car speakers. Not sure any advantage doing it, but interesting to discover. My HOME system is a 15 year old Acer Laptop (my mastering studio, too). I used it with a pair of Sony 7650(?) headphones, and it brings me great joy how well it sounds. Good luck. Jack |
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