[hank alrich]

Mr Soul wrote:

So the answer to my original question is that Mackie recognized the
design flaw and took steps to correct it. I'm going to get rid of my
1402 VLZ Pro and probably get an Allen & Heath. I need to see one first.
I never had any problem with headroom on my 1402 VLZ Pro so I am at a
loss to understand. Perhaps others here understood your original
problem, but I wasn't sure about it.

Mike C

It is this simple: every make and model of audio gear offers one the
chance to screw up. Most folks blame the gear, instead of going back to
basics and figuring out what is screwing up where and how, and then
making the appropriate adjustments to alleviate "the problem".

Mackie's headroom, in various pieces of kit, has been discussed here at
length. In every case the situation has be settled among those who will
learn by learning how to gain stage the board properly.

And just so I don't get accused of thinking I'm a big deal, I learned
this the accidental way during an SR gig with a major folk artist
performing in a duo, where I used the 1202 in conjunction outboard
studio-grade preamps. There were only two players, two voices, two
instruments at a time. I used four channels total. The night was snowy,
the band arrived late as did I. I threw the system up (Crest amps into
Meyer UPA1A's), we did a silly-fast soundcheck, and the doors let in the
crowd. About the third song, after thinking how amazingly good it all
sounded, I noticed that the 1202 was peaking no higher than the next to
last green LED. My first reaction was to try to raise that level, but
the board was feeding the Meyer processor which was up with the amp
rack, and I'm at the back of the hall.

So I stopped and relistened, and I left it like it was. Thereafter I
discovered I'd discovered mackie nirvana in the gain staging arena.

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On 2010-11-13 (hankalrich) said:
snip some of my own quoted material
Wtf is this with people can't figure out how to gain stage a
system anymore?
The FOH guy was not gainstaging for the recorder.
He probably could have, but it's not really his signal path once
it leaves the back of the desk.
snip again

I don't see many FOH guys about nowadays who can gain stage for the
job they're supposed to be doing, and never mind gain staging for
the recording.
Which was my point. IF one is too braindead to understand
that he's clipping the mic amps going in then ...


But, so long as it's loud ...





Richard webb,

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[hank alrich]

Mike Rivers wrote:

I have not tested an Allen & Heath in this way. I would suggeest that
you do so yourelf if you want a mixer that you can't screw up. Maybe
it's the one, maybe it isn't.

I have an A&H GL2200. It is a nice little board. I can screw it up if I
want to.

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On 2010-11-13 (hankalrich) said:
snip

thinking how amazingly good it all sounded, I noticed that the 1202
was peaking no higher than the next to last green LED. My first
reaction was to try to raise that level, but the board was feeding
the Meyer processor which was up with the amp rack, and I'm at the
back of the hall.
So I stopped and relistened, and I left it like it was. Thereafter I
discovered I'd discovered mackie nirvana in the gain staging arena.
Which is always the way I used a 1202 vlz. I owned one for
years, until it burned during my after Katrina fire. I
never had a problem with that board, so long as I was the
one operating it.

AS I keep telling people using the Mackie, Yellow is the new
red. IF you're hitting yellow back 'er down Jack.

Whatever kit I"m using if I'm noticing a clip I go back
through my gain staging and make sure I"m copacetic at each
"stage" starting with the input trims. IT isn't rocket
science. Just because the controls go to 10 doesn't mean
they have to be set there.
THat's why we have meters of various types, and those things
on the sides of our heads called ears.





Richard webb,

replace anything before at with elspider
ON site audio in the southland: see www.gatasound.com



Great audio is never heard by the average person, but bad
audio is heard by everyone.