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Bose 601 v Mouse (as in rodent!)
I bought a pair of Bose 601 Series 3 speakers in 91' and they have
been one of the few "good buys" I've made in my life! They have surrvied 3 children, 2 wives, 2 dogs, a cat and 9 house moves (covering half the planet!). But unfortunatley, they have succumed to a mouse! My wife brought in a box a "stuff" (replace tuff with hit!) which was the current residence for a mouse. Seems the mouse didn't like having is house moved, so it decided to find a new one. In my speaker! I heard something a couple times, but it didn't click something was inside the damn thing. I should have turned the damn thing on, 1200 watts of Chemical Brothers should have scared it out, but I didn't. Next morning, while enjoying my coffee, I hear nibbling. Go to the speaker, knock on it and out comes Mr Mouse having just finished a dinner of raw driver cone! The mouse is no more, to say te least, priority one was to eliminate with extreme prejudice! Which was fun! But now I'm faced with repairing the damage. There is a 2 x 3 cm hole at the very edge of the cone and into the foam surround. I have been trawling the net, looking for repair idea's and have settled on 2 possible choices. Choice 1 - Polyvynil Acetate soaked tissue paper. Three layers on each side Choice 2 - Fabric tape (to cover the hole) using a rubber sealant The damage is not bad enough to warrant re-coning/re-foaming. So I need something that will not adversely effect performance. What do you think? TIA  P.S. - The mouse only suffered for a second or two! |
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Bose 601 v Mouse (as in rodent!)
Go to a store that sounds "quality" speakers.
Buy something else you like, from a different manufacturer. You will be happier than you were with the Bose. |
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On Jul 6, 10:00*am, "
wrote: I bought a pair of Bose 601 Series 3 speakers in 91' and they have been one of the few "good buys" I've made in my life! They have surrvied 3 children, 2 wives, 2 dogs, a cat and 9 house moves (covering half the planet!). But unfortunatley, they have succumed to a mouse! My wife brought in a box a "stuff" (replace tuff with hit!) which was the current residence for a mouse. Seems the mouse didn't like having is house moved, so it decided to find a new one. In my speaker! I heard something a couple times, but it didn't click something was inside the damn thing. I should have turned the damn thing on, 1200 watts of Chemical Brothers should have scared it out, but I didn't. Next morning, while enjoying my coffee, I hear nibbling. Go to the speaker, knock on it and out comes Mr Mouse having just finished a dinner of raw driver cone! The mouse is no more, to say te least, priority one was to eliminate with extreme prejudice! Which was fun! But now I'm faced with repairing the damage. There is a 2 x 3 cm hole at the very edge of the cone and into the foam surround. I have been trawling the net, looking for repair idea's and have settled on 2 possible choices. Choice 1 - Polyvynil Acetate soaked tissue paper. Three layers on each side Choice 2 - Fabric tape (to cover the hole) using a rubber sealant The damage is not bad enough to warrant re-coning/re-foaming. So I need something that will not adversely effect performance. What do you think? TIA P.S. - The mouse only suffered for a second or two! yeah the mouse did you a favor. |
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Bose 601 v Mouse (as in rodent!)
wrote in message ... I bought a pair of Bose 601 Series 3 speakers in 91' and they have been one of the few "good buys" I've made in my life! They have surrvied 3 children, 2 wives, 2 dogs, a cat and 9 house moves (covering half the planet!). But unfortunatley, they have succumed to a mouse! Many have given you their sentiments about Bose, with which I agree -- it's always a strange techno-babble kind of design with some nebulous appeal. You may find that other speakers will satisfy you as much or more than the mouse-eaten ones you have (although I'd sure as heck glue them back together -- it'll probably work fine). But I must admit that their little Wave Radio, for its small size, doesn't sound bad at all, even on local FM stations. Overpriced damn thing -- it's somewhere around $400 or $500, I think. And that taller job, whose name I don't know, actually sounds quite good, size not even withstanding. It's even more overpriced, at over $1000, accessories not included. Not much stereo, as you'd expect for its speaker spread. This was all at a Bose demo a few years ago, and it could, I suppose, have been faked, even the tuning across the FM dial, but I don't think so. I once took a lawyer client who'd had some kind of Bose speakers for many years to an audio store, where they demo'd those tiny Bose wall speakers that work with a subwoofer -- "Acoustimass," or some such. The assistant played a nice little jazz quartet with alto sax, bass, piano and drums through them. Then I asked him to switch to a larger more standard-design good-quality floor speaker set and play the same music. This was all my intent. Then the music just sounded much nicer and fuller. The lawyer turned to me with an astonished look on his face. After the talk had died down, I asked the assistant to switch back to the Bose speakers, and he started hemming and hawing and clearly didn't want to do it. It was a good day. -- Earl |
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EK- [Sun, 06 Jul 2008 16:49:47 GMT]:
But I must admit that their little Wave Radio... doesn't sound bad at all, Surely I'm not on the internet anymore! The only more amazing thing is so many (claim to) have heard every Bose product ever made. The last time I heard a Bose anything (in a non-live venue) was decades ago. How so many can run into so much Bose (and apparently take it personally) is ... well, the internet for you. I have heard 601s, in the 70s! Before and since I've heard so much worse, but then that's because MOST speakers are worse. Given poor positioning or room acoustics, all sound bad. -- 40th Floor - Software @ http://40th.com/ phantasm.40th.com - The finest sound in the world |
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OP... opinion about Bose products aside, the easiest (and cheapest)
solution to your problem is to make the repair yourself (which will probably work fine, providing you use care and common sense) or to simply buy a replacement 601 woofer on eBay. eBay sellers sometimes come home from their Saturday morning garage sales with some speakers that aren't working 100%. When that happens, they often "part out" the speakers... so it shouldn't be too hard to find a working 601 woofer - very likely for less cost than having it reconed by a local professional. That said... I would like to chime in on the Bose question. During my (thankfully) brief career as a stereo salesman in 1978, I was always astounded when customers would find the sound of Bose 901s preferable to other designs in A/B listening tests. Indeed, their very drawbacks (as perceived by the audio professionals who inhabit this NG) were *sometimes* seen as virtues by consumers; the phase inaccuracies generated by those 16 small drivers was perceived by some consumers as additional "lifelike" ambience, and the small size of those drivers did, in fact, give them a very "tight" sound. The problem, of course, was that there was no real low end, and any audio engineer will tell you that a speaker that requires an external equalizer just to get in the ballpark (such as the 901) will never be preferable to a speaker that doesn't need one. So it's fair for audio professionals to be snooty about the 901, because it really was snake oil. More traditional designs like the 301 and 601 did, in fact sound much better - although they, too, relied on some of the Bose snake oil... just not as much. As to the Wave Radio designs... I cannot say. I've never had my hands on one. But since my prejuidice about Bose is built on the 901, it's hard for me to expect that it's really a good piece of gear. However... if you still like your 601s... by all means, get them fixed, and continue to enjoy them. And invest in some mouse traps. |
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Earl Kiosterud wrote:
But I must admit that their little Wave Radio, for its small size, doesn't sound bad at all, even on local FM stations. Overpriced damn thing -- it's somewhere around $400 or $500, I think. And that taller job, whose name I don't know, actually sounds quite good, size not even withstanding. It's even more overpriced, at over $1000, accessories not included. Not much stereo, as you'd expect for its speaker spread. This was all at a Bose demo a few years ago, and it could, I suppose, have been faked, even the tuning across the FM dial, but I don't think so. The problem with the Wave Radio is that the huge lower midrange boost, which exists to make you think it has bass, actually reduces intelligibility. Take a Wave Radio in one room, then listen to it from the next room and see how easy it is to understand a news broadcast. Try it again with a Tivoli or GE Superradio or an old All-American Five, and you'll find it's a lot easier to understand the words from the other room. And that, frankly, is how most people use table radios. I once took a lawyer client who'd had some kind of Bose speakers for many years to an audio store, where they demo'd those tiny Bose wall speakers that work with a subwoofer -- "Acoustimass," or some such. The assistant played a nice little jazz quartet with alto sax, bass, piano and drums through them. Then I asked him to switch to a larger more standard-design good-quality floor speaker set and play the same music. This was all my intent. Then the music just sounded much nicer and fuller. The lawyer turned to me with an astonished look on his face. After the talk had died down, I asked the assistant to switch back to the Bose speakers, and he started hemming and hawing and clearly didn't want to do it. The Acoustimass system has no midrange. It has bass and it has treble, and there is a big hole in the middle. That's what you get if you want satellite speakers that are tiny and easy to blend into your decor. The folks that designed the Acoustimass took that as their design constraint. Incidentally, the sales assistant is NOT supposed to allow doing that kind of A-B test. It's specifically forbidden by the Bose dealer contract. For the most part, the Bose speakers are very well designed, but their design constraints don't involve sounding good. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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"Scott Dorsey" wrote in message
wrote: I bought a pair of Bose 601 Series 3 speakers in 91' and they have been one of the few "good buys" I've made in my life! I refuse to respond to such an obvious troll. But you did! ;-) Just not an OT response. The mention of PVA adhesive is an obvious tip-off. This guy knows something about speakers and how they are built. |
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"Scott Dorsey" wrote in message ... The Acoustimass system has no midrange. It has bass and it has treble, and there is a big hole in the middle. That's what you get if you want satellite speakers that are tiny and easy to blend into your decor. The folks that designed the Acoustimass took that as their design constraint. Incidentally, the sales assistant is NOT supposed to allow doing that kind of A-B test. It's specifically forbidden by the Bose dealer contract. For the most part, the Bose speakers are very well designed, but their design constraints don't involve sounding good. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." Well, I didn't say it was state-of-the-art. It just sounded surprisingly good for its size. The larger one was a bit strong in the lower midrange, but not overwhelmingly so. I heard them in a fairly large room, and didn't get that cheap upper-bass peak with no real bass that's used in so many small systems. It wasn't one-note bass, for sure. I haven't heard them in smaller rooms. No walls were close to them. There was no wall near the back to muck up the midrange with reflected sound diffracted from the box. And no walls farther to the side to cause peaks and holes in the bass. The ceiling was kind of high, and I think was a drop ceiling of acoustic stuff. And maybe they did do some faking -- I wouldn't put it past them. No one was sitting up close. I've not heard either model anywhere else. The Acoustimass in the store incident certainly didn't have much midrange, and the comparison with another set of speakers made that almost ridiculously obvious. Sounded a bit like a PA system for a rock band. Damn funny that A-B'ing isn't allowed, per Bose! But I'm not surprised. -- Earl |
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Bose 601 v Mouse (as in rodent!)
" wrote: I bought a pair of Bose 601 Series 3 speakers in 91' and they have been one of the few "good buys" I've made in my life! They have surrvied 3 children, 2 wives, 2 dogs, a cat and 9 house moves (covering half the planet!). But unfortunatley, they have succumed to a mouse! My wife brought in a box a "stuff" (replace tuff with hit!) which was the current residence for a mouse. Seems the mouse didn't like having is house moved, so it decided to find a new one. In my speaker! I heard something a couple times, but it didn't click something was inside the damn thing. I should have turned the damn thing on, 1200 watts of Chemical Brothers should have scared it out, but I didn't. Next morning, while enjoying my coffee, I hear nibbling. Go to the speaker, knock on it and out comes Mr Mouse having just finished a dinner of raw driver cone! The mouse is no more, to say te least, priority one was to eliminate with extreme prejudice! Which was fun! I want to hear the details ! Have you considered fitting almost any other driver that will fit the hole ? In all probability it will sound better. Graham |
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On Jul 6, 10:00*am, "
wrote: I bought a pair of Bose 601 Series 3 speakers in 91' and they have been one of the few "good buys" I've made in my life! They have surrvied 3 children, 2 wives, 2 dogs, a cat and 9 house moves (covering half the planet!). But unfortunatley, they have succumed to a mouse! My wife brought in a box a "stuff" (replace tuff with hit!) which was the current residence for a mouse. Seems the mouse didn't like having is house moved, so it decided to find a new one. In my speaker! I heard something a couple times, but it didn't click something was inside the damn thing. I should have turned the damn thing on, 1200 watts of Chemical Brothers should have scared it out, but I didn't. Next morning, while enjoying my coffee, I hear nibbling. Go to the speaker, knock on it and out comes Mr Mouse having just finished a dinner of raw driver cone! The mouse is no more, to say te least, priority one was to eliminate with extreme prejudice! Which was fun! But now I'm faced with repairing the damage. There is a 2 x 3 cm hole at the very edge of the cone and into the foam surround. I have been trawling the net, looking for repair idea's and have settled on 2 possible choices. Choice 1 - Polyvynil Acetate soaked tissue paper. Three layers on each side Choice 2 - Fabric tape (to cover the hole) using a rubber sealant The damage is not bad enough to warrant re-coning/re-foaming. So I need something that will not adversely effect performance. What do you think? Well - I think it's about $13 to replace - including shipping. http://cgi.ebay.com/BOSE-301-501-601...QQcmdZViewItem Will Miho NY TV/Audio Post/Music/Live Sound Guy "The large print giveth and the small print taketh away... " Tom Waits |
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In article , WillStG wrote:
On Jul 6, 10:00=A0am, " wrote: I bought a pair of Bose 601 Series 3 speakers in 91' and they have been one of the few "good buys" I've made in my life! They have surrvied 3 children, 2 wives, 2 dogs, a cat and 9 house moves (covering half the planet!). But unfortunatley, they have succumed to a mouse! My wife brought in a box a "stuff" (replace tuff with hit!) which was the current residence for a mouse. Seems the mouse didn't like having is house moved, so it decided to find a new one. In my speaker! I heard something a couple times, but it didn't click something was inside the damn thing. I should have turned the damn thing on, 1200 watts of Chemical Brothers should have scared it out, but I didn't. Next morning, while enjoying my coffee, I hear nibbling. Go to the speaker, knock on it and out comes Mr Mouse having just finished a dinner of raw driver cone! The mouse is no more, to say te least, priority one was to eliminate with extreme prejudice! Which was fun! But now I'm faced with repairing the damage. There is a 2 x 3 cm hole at the very edge of the cone and into the foam surround. I have been trawling the net, looking for repair idea's and have settled on 2 possible choices. Choice 1 - Polyvynil Acetate soaked tissue paper. Three layers on each side Choice 2 - Fabric tape (to cover the hole) using a rubber sealant The damage is not bad enough to warrant re-coning/re-foaming. So I need something that will not adversely effect performance. What do you think? Well - I think it's about $13 to replace - including shipping. http://cgi.ebay.com/BOSE-301-501-601...NET-COVER-NEW= _W0QQitemZ280205364228QQcmdZViewItem Will Miho NY TV/Audio Post/Music/Live Sound Guy "The large print giveth and the small print taketh away... " Tom Waits Well thats not a LF driver. How about a Bose replacement ? As far as fixing try the doped paper routine and use silicon rtv where the foam meets. greg |
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On Jul 9, 10:25*am, (GregS) wrote:
Well thats not a LF driver. How about a Bose replacement ? As far as fixing try the doped paper routine and use silicon rtv where the foam meets. greg The woofers and tweeters are the same thing on my 800's. Ack. They do sell replacement surrounds for the 601 though. http://cgi.ebay.com/BOSE-601-8-Speak...QQcmdZViewItem Will Miho NY TV/Audio Post/Music/Live Sound Guy "The large print giveth and the small print taketh away..." Tom Waits Will Miho |
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