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The Role of the New Producer/Engineer?
The Role of The New Prod/Eng
Studio technology has developed drastically over the years and has become ever more vital to the record prod/eng within the music industry. Different prod/eng's make use of studio technology in different ways, often depending on the style of music that they are producing, their preferred method of recording and production and the artist's preference of sound. The development of recording technology has run parallel to a reorientation in popular music production. The goal of getting a good sound is no different now than it was when the first recordings were made, but the idea of what a good sound is and how it should be achieved are radically different. Fifty years ago a band was set up in a studio with just a couple of mics and recorded to one channel and then the singer would overdub their vocal to one track and "Bingo" your production was finished, usually in a couple of hours. There were three distinct roles, a producer, engineer and the artist. The Beatles debut record was recorded and mixed in one day. Today the same process may take months and hundreds of tracks to complete. The role of the recording producer/engineer and artist has changed dramatically especially in the early part of the process of making a record. The distinctions between the 3 different roles in popular music are still very important; but the lines are much more obscure now. Lack of skill is the biggest problem in today's music production, engineering and mixing. So many music industry schools are turning out graduates that are simply dreadful. Some people simply buy cheap DAW's and call themselves music prod/eng's. These unfortunates have no idea how to record music that doesn't come out of a box. Unfortunately they have never had the opportunity to watch a master at work . Opportunities to watch a master at work are ceasing these days for they are retired or simply 6 feet under. In Toronto there were over 40 great producers and engineers 20 years ago. Now there might be 3-5. The new prod/eng's are far and few in between. The winners of the last ten years of Juno and Grammy Awards for producing and engineering were mostly done by people in their 40's and 50's now. I believe if "The Torch" is to be passed to anyone under 30, that person will possess a good idea on how to record music outside of the box. Not only that, they will have learned the skills of excellent mixing. Today, mixing is becoming a lost art form with not much hope on the horizon. At the turn of this millennia the demands placed on music required that that artist's become good producers who had to become good engineers. With today's sampling and midi-technology it is easy to fulfill at least 2 of these 3 roles. One is the artist/producer and the other is the engineer/producer. In some circumstances a few have been able to excel at all 3 disciplines. It is expected that producers be able to know how to utilize sound processing and recording techniques. The engineer has to have a good sense of pitch, harmonic balance and rhythm and to be able to edit between takes dictated by a lead sheet. The prod/eng plays a very big part in the realization of a composition by deciding what technology should be used and how to use it. Interplay between the artists is critical to the recording process. However, what is eventually fixed to audio storage must first be composed around the limitations of the available technology and how to maximize its efficiency. Thus the most direct interactions between music and technology occur during composition and production. There are a number of artists, record producers and engineers who have become famous for their distinctive sound and their particular techniques and application of varied developments of studio technology. Some producers take much advantage of the technology available to them, whilst others seem to prefer to employ more classical techniques of record production, tending to shy away from the increasing practice of digital studio technology. Some prod/eng desire to generate their own distinctive sound. Some focus on capturing the soul and spirit of the music that they prod/eng. They do this by resisting the use of digital technology on certain instruments and processors and continuing use analogue, stating that the digital realm is very trendy, too synthetic and not dimensional sounding Today's rock has a tendency to record everything dry, steering away from the use of effects when recording. They would use quite a lot of compression on vocals, guitars and drums so that the dynamics could be harnessed and also to double track vocals and guitar's. They would record the guitars in a very different way, with a great emphasis on the use of synthetic distortion like guitar pedals that would create over-drive and distortion along with an amp. The major and independent record labels are giving way to a new landscape of independent artists, many of who may never have seen the interior of a conventional recording studio because of truncated budgets. Many prod/eng's use studio technology as an add-on to the instruments, and this affects the way in which songs are written and laid down. This way they can work in the studio where someone can bring in a loop or a sample, and the band can jam for a couple of hours, find one bar that's kind of cool, load it into samplers, jam on top of that.... and then take that home, come back, jam on it some more, record some more things, add and subtract. This kind of prod/eng is like working on a song in process that can be best served in the studio as long as it's not expensive or better yet a home studio. Once this process is finished the prod/eng will have something to build on and elevate to the next level. The band U2 has worked in a manner where Edge will compose a riff around a programmed beat at home and then bring it into the studio and play to the riff with the drummer and bass player, with the goal of developing the riff into a song. Once this is established, Bono will add lyrical and melodic ideas. Today, systems like Pro-Tools and Logic are the primary tools and an increasingly popular method of production and composition in early song development. I myself will sketch a song out which will indicate harmonic structure to be performed by musicians, with feel. I will play this to the musicians just before the track is to be recorded to give them an indication of what is needed, even though I am prepared to have everything that was programmed replaced. In a lot of situations I have often used some of the program in my final mix. E.G. Adding in the drum loop in the breakdown of a song* Recording and sampling in some sounds into the song. This technology plays a great part in the creative process of compositions, which you can develop to create tracks and utilize the randomness of the sounds that are produced. Recording trends in today's music industry tend to lean towards the use of digital studio technology. This has meant that many artists are capable of producing their own material, and have resulted in the growth of the home studio, especially since digital technology is much more compact than the old analogue equipment. These days, some of the best studios have consoles no bigger than a coffee table and home studios often feature similar consoles. Digital mixers have changed the way we work and are changing the way we view the traditional recording studio. The role of analog will still be around for a while, for the sound character and level of quality of digital is still very limited. I predict that in the next ten years you will see a lot of analog equipment for the recording, mixing and sound processing stages (EQ & Comp/limit) and be limited to the higher end studios. (Analog consoles like SSL's and Neve's). I call these the "A" list studios that will also use Pro-Tools but will give you the option to record to multi-track analogue. In the "B" studios they will be completely digital but will give you a lot of analogue technology as outboard gear. In the "C" or home studios it will all be completely digital. Despite the continuing growth of the use of digital studio technology by artists and their own production, the role of the record prod/eng still remains vital in the context of both the creative and commercial concerns of today's music industry, whether the prod/eng is independent or are the artist themselves. The record prod/eng may be thought of as the "Ring Leader" of the music production chain. Prod/eng's have a lot of control over the entire recording project including creative decision-making based on the experience and vision of the prod/eng. The selection of songs used in a project as well as the responsibility of the final product still belongs to the prod/eng. A record prod/eng is able to give an independent view of an artist's work and how it should sound. They are also more likely to know what technologies are available and which would be best suited to the style of the artist. Also, many prod/eng may have affiliations with a particular record company, this relationship is vital in ensuring that an artist can obtain a deal with the record company in question and the prod/eng will be able to conceive what kind of sound the record label is looking for. In the creative context of the role of the prod/eng, the prod/eng often aids the composition and development of an artist's work. Sometimes the artist does very little work compared to the prod/eng and there may be times when all the artist has to do is turn up and sing. The prod/eng helps to decide the arrangement, how tracks should be laid down and what instruments should be included in the production of the song. Production is about coming up with, and organizing, all the ideas that will comprise the finished record. As stated earlier with the introduction of computer software such as Pro Tools, Cubase and Logic, many artists are becoming their own producers. Artists are able to produce music single-handedly through these programs, using them to create multi-track recordings all through a MIDI keyboard, as well as being able to record and arrange audio. This allows artists to concentrate on the creative process, while the computer does the rest of the work. However this process has its limits. Getting the artist to recognize these limits is a role prod/eng's have to learn and communicate to the artist with the goal in mind that the production has the potential to get better. These days, the widespread use of digital technology allows prod/eng's to manipulate recorded sound in unprecedented ways. Prod/eng's can also sample a perfect note or riff, and insert it into the accompanying music as many times as necessary to create an instrumental back up that's completely error-free. In "Lose My Breath" by Destiny's Child the chorus line is sung only once but used in an additional 40+ places in the song. Why should they sing it over when you can just get them to perform the line once and copy and paste it for the remainder of the song? It is also possible to achieve the perfect pitches on vocals, meaning that anyone lacking all musical talent could sing and be made to sound as though they have a perfectly tuned voice. In Maroon 5's song "She will be loved", Auto-tune is used quite extensively and to the point that the lead vocal sounds robotic and unnatural* The new record prod/eng should be able to work with studio technology that will help a band or artist develop a particular style. Prod/eng's know what kind of sounds are commercially viable, if that is the direction that a band or artist wishes to take. Prod/eng's, along with studio technology, play a significant role in the creative and commercial process within the music industry, allowing bands and artists to develop their individual sounds, as well as helping them to produce a sound which will be appealing to their specific audience. The development of studio technology has allowed prod/eng's to create more unique sounds for the bands which they produce, separating them from other bands. With the right ingredients, prod/eng's are able to aid an artist or band toward commercial success. Requirements of the New Prod/Eng: 1) Play a harmonic instrument 2) Can easily detect pitch and rhythm problems 3) Can record acoustic instruments 4) Program music software 5) Operate a DAW 6) Business skills 7) Excellent mixing skills 8) Understand human behavior 9) Be able to motivate self and others 10) Write and read a basic lead sheet |
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I predict that in the next ten years you will see a lot of analog
equipment for the recording, mixing and sound processing stages (EQ & Comp/limit) and be limited to the higher end studios. I am willing to bet by 2015 we will see no tape based studios at all and digital may even sound good... -- Steven Sena XS Sound Recording www.xssound.com "kevindoylemusic" wrote in message oups.com... The Role of The New Prod/Eng Studio technology has developed drastically over the years and has become ever more vital to the record prod/eng within the music industry. Different prod/eng's make use of studio technology in different ways, often depending on the style of music that they are producing, their preferred method of recording and production and the artist's preference of sound. The development of recording technology has run parallel to a reorientation in popular music production. The goal of getting a good sound is no different now than it was when the first recordings were made, but the idea of what a good sound is and how it should be achieved are radically different. Fifty years ago a band was set up in a studio with just a couple of mics and recorded to one channel and then the singer would overdub their vocal to one track and "Bingo" your production was finished, usually in a couple of hours. There were three distinct roles, a producer, engineer and the artist. The Beatles debut record was recorded and mixed in one day. Today the same process may take months and hundreds of tracks to complete. The role of the recording producer/engineer and artist has changed dramatically especially in the early part of the process of making a record. The distinctions between the 3 different roles in popular music are still very important; but the lines are much more obscure now. Lack of skill is the biggest problem in today's music production, engineering and mixing. So many music industry schools are turning out graduates that are simply dreadful. Some people simply buy cheap DAW's and call themselves music prod/eng's. These unfortunates have no idea how to record music that doesn't come out of a box. Unfortunately they have never had the opportunity to watch a master at work . Opportunities to watch a master at work are ceasing these days for they are retired or simply 6 feet under. In Toronto there were over 40 great producers and engineers 20 years ago. Now there might be 3-5. The new prod/eng's are far and few in between. The winners of the last ten years of Juno and Grammy Awards for producing and engineering were mostly done by people in their 40's and 50's now. I believe if "The Torch" is to be passed to anyone under 30, that person will possess a good idea on how to record music outside of the box. Not only that, they will have learned the skills of excellent mixing. Today, mixing is becoming a lost art form with not much hope on the horizon. At the turn of this millennia the demands placed on music required that that artist's become good producers who had to become good engineers. With today's sampling and midi-technology it is easy to fulfill at least 2 of these 3 roles. One is the artist/producer and the other is the engineer/producer. In some circumstances a few have been able to excel at all 3 disciplines. It is expected that producers be able to know how to utilize sound processing and recording techniques. The engineer has to have a good sense of pitch, harmonic balance and rhythm and to be able to edit between takes dictated by a lead sheet. The prod/eng plays a very big part in the realization of a composition by deciding what technology should be used and how to use it. Interplay between the artists is critical to the recording process. However, what is eventually fixed to audio storage must first be composed around the limitations of the available technology and how to maximize its efficiency. Thus the most direct interactions between music and technology occur during composition and production. There are a number of artists, record producers and engineers who have become famous for their distinctive sound and their particular techniques and application of varied developments of studio technology. Some producers take much advantage of the technology available to them, whilst others seem to prefer to employ more classical techniques of record production, tending to shy away from the increasing practice of digital studio technology. Some prod/eng desire to generate their own distinctive sound. Some focus on capturing the soul and spirit of the music that they prod/eng. They do this by resisting the use of digital technology on certain instruments and processors and continuing use analogue, stating that the digital realm is very trendy, too synthetic and not dimensional sounding Today's rock has a tendency to record everything dry, steering away from the use of effects when recording. They would use quite a lot of compression on vocals, guitars and drums so that the dynamics could be harnessed and also to double track vocals and guitar's. They would record the guitars in a very different way, with a great emphasis on the use of synthetic distortion like guitar pedals that would create over-drive and distortion along with an amp. The major and independent record labels are giving way to a new landscape of independent artists, many of who may never have seen the interior of a conventional recording studio because of truncated budgets. Many prod/eng's use studio technology as an add-on to the instruments, and this affects the way in which songs are written and laid down. This way they can work in the studio where someone can bring in a loop or a sample, and the band can jam for a couple of hours, find one bar that's kind of cool, load it into samplers, jam on top of that.... and then take that home, come back, jam on it some more, record some more things, add and subtract. This kind of prod/eng is like working on a song in process that can be best served in the studio as long as it's not expensive or better yet a home studio. Once this process is finished the prod/eng will have something to build on and elevate to the next level. The band U2 has worked in a manner where Edge will compose a riff around a programmed beat at home and then bring it into the studio and play to the riff with the drummer and bass player, with the goal of developing the riff into a song. Once this is established, Bono will add lyrical and melodic ideas. Today, systems like Pro-Tools and Logic are the primary tools and an increasingly popular method of production and composition in early song development. I myself will sketch a song out which will indicate harmonic structure to be performed by musicians, with feel. I will play this to the musicians just before the track is to be recorded to give them an indication of what is needed, even though I am prepared to have everything that was programmed replaced. In a lot of situations I have often used some of the program in my final mix. E.G. Adding in the drum loop in the breakdown of a song* Recording and sampling in some sounds into the song. This technology plays a great part in the creative process of compositions, which you can develop to create tracks and utilize the randomness of the sounds that are produced. Recording trends in today's music industry tend to lean towards the use of digital studio technology. This has meant that many artists are capable of producing their own material, and have resulted in the growth of the home studio, especially since digital technology is much more compact than the old analogue equipment. These days, some of the best studios have consoles no bigger than a coffee table and home studios often feature similar consoles. Digital mixers have changed the way we work and are changing the way we view the traditional recording studio. The role of analog will still be around for a while, for the sound character and level of quality of digital is still very limited. I predict that in the next ten years you will see a lot of analog equipment for the recording, mixing and sound processing stages (EQ & Comp/limit) and be limited to the higher end studios. (Analog consoles like SSL's and Neve's). I call these the "A" list studios that will also use Pro-Tools but will give you the option to record to multi-track analogue. In the "B" studios they will be completely digital but will give you a lot of analogue technology as outboard gear. In the "C" or home studios it will all be completely digital. Despite the continuing growth of the use of digital studio technology by artists and their own production, the role of the record prod/eng still remains vital in the context of both the creative and commercial concerns of today's music industry, whether the prod/eng is independent or are the artist themselves. The record prod/eng may be thought of as the "Ring Leader" of the music production chain. Prod/eng's have a lot of control over the entire recording project including creative decision-making based on the experience and vision of the prod/eng. The selection of songs used in a project as well as the responsibility of the final product still belongs to the prod/eng. A record prod/eng is able to give an independent view of an artist's work and how it should sound. They are also more likely to know what technologies are available and which would be best suited to the style of the artist. Also, many prod/eng may have affiliations with a particular record company, this relationship is vital in ensuring that an artist can obtain a deal with the record company in question and the prod/eng will be able to conceive what kind of sound the record label is looking for. In the creative context of the role of the prod/eng, the prod/eng often aids the composition and development of an artist's work. Sometimes the artist does very little work compared to the prod/eng and there may be times when all the artist has to do is turn up and sing. The prod/eng helps to decide the arrangement, how tracks should be laid down and what instruments should be included in the production of the song. Production is about coming up with, and organizing, all the ideas that will comprise the finished record. As stated earlier with the introduction of computer software such as Pro Tools, Cubase and Logic, many artists are becoming their own producers. Artists are able to produce music single-handedly through these programs, using them to create multi-track recordings all through a MIDI keyboard, as well as being able to record and arrange audio. This allows artists to concentrate on the creative process, while the computer does the rest of the work. However this process has its limits. Getting the artist to recognize these limits is a role prod/eng's have to learn and communicate to the artist with the goal in mind that the production has the potential to get better. These days, the widespread use of digital technology allows prod/eng's to manipulate recorded sound in unprecedented ways. Prod/eng's can also sample a perfect note or riff, and insert it into the accompanying music as many times as necessary to create an instrumental back up that's completely error-free. In "Lose My Breath" by Destiny's Child the chorus line is sung only once but used in an additional 40+ places in the song. Why should they sing it over when you can just get them to perform the line once and copy and paste it for the remainder of the song? It is also possible to achieve the perfect pitches on vocals, meaning that anyone lacking all musical talent could sing and be made to sound as though they have a perfectly tuned voice. In Maroon 5's song "She will be loved", Auto-tune is used quite extensively and to the point that the lead vocal sounds robotic and unnatural* The new record prod/eng should be able to work with studio technology that will help a band or artist develop a particular style. Prod/eng's know what kind of sounds are commercially viable, if that is the direction that a band or artist wishes to take. Prod/eng's, along with studio technology, play a significant role in the creative and commercial process within the music industry, allowing bands and artists to develop their individual sounds, as well as helping them to produce a sound which will be appealing to their specific audience. The development of studio technology has allowed prod/eng's to create more unique sounds for the bands which they produce, separating them from other bands. With the right ingredients, prod/eng's are able to aid an artist or band toward commercial success. Requirements of the New Prod/Eng: 1) Play a harmonic instrument 2) Can easily detect pitch and rhythm problems 3) Can record acoustic instruments 4) Program music software 5) Operate a DAW 6) Business skills 7) Excellent mixing skills 8) Understand human behavior 9) Be able to motivate self and others 10) Write and read a basic lead sheet |
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You are right on Steven
Quantagy just filed for banruptcy protection last week kevin |
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"kevindoylemusic" wrote in message oups.com... You are right on Steven Quantagy just filed for banruptcy protection last week kevin Again? Once, back in January, wasn't enough? John LeBlanc Houston, TX |
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In article znr1108299181k@trad, Mike Rivers wrote:
In article .com writes: Quantagy just filed for banruptcy protection last week I think you're a little behind times. They have a list of bidders now, and there's at least one new US company who expects to be making tape by June, plus numerous rumors of new plants in Europe and Asia that are probably false. The rumor of the plant in the Netherlands is true, as is the rumor of the plant in Pennsylvania (although the latter has get to get any equipment yet). The rumor of the plant in Australia is sadly false. Any other rumors I have not heard yet. The only Asian manufacturer is JAI, which does indeed make 1/4" tape, but probably not well enough to make Fletcher happy. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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"kevindoylemusic" wrote in message oups.com... You are right on Steven Quantagy just filed for banruptcy protection last week kevin Old news... I think they will be bailed out by demand for their product. Are you publishing parts of your audio class theses here Kevin? DM |
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kevindoylemusic wrote:
Quantagy You're right on this stuff... -- ha |
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hank alrich wrote:
kevindoylemusic wrote: Quantagy You're right on this stuff... Someone who's writing a book on recording should have at least looked at a box of tape to find out how to spell it. |
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S O'Neill wrote:
hank alrich wrote: kevindoylemusic wrote: Quantagy You're right on this stuff... Someone who's writing a book on recording should have at least looked at a box of tape to find out how to spell it. "Curad" -- ha |
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oops
kevn |
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I am actually a BASF guy
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"kevindoylemusic" wrote in message oups.com... I am actually a BASF guy They've been out of business for a couple of years. Bought by EMTEC and eventually closed down last year. (IIRC) |
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David Morgan (MAMS) wrote: "kevindoylemusic" wrote in message oups.com... I am actually a BASF guy They've been out of business for a couple of years. Bought by EMTEC and eventually closed down last year. (IIRC) Anybody else notice the irony of this when the guy's article was about how the new breed don't know anything? |
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In article znr1108324119k@trad, Mike Rivers wrote:
In article writes: The rumor of the plant in the Netherlands is true I read a press release about that on the Ampex list, followed by a posting from a large tape distributor who called the plant and was told that they knew nothing about that press release and didn't have studio tape in the pipeline. So I wouldn't count on this any time soon. But it's true that there's a tape plant over there. Yes, and I talked to one of the managers there, who said that they were basically having trouble getting base material, and that as soon as they had a reliable source of good base material they'd be striping tape. as is the rumor of the plant in Pennsylvania (although the latter has get to get any equipment yet). I'd trust the information that we're getting in dribs and drabs directly from Mike Spitz (the horse). Yes, I think if anybody can make a small production operation work, it's going to be him. I am very much looking forward to seeing his product. And, with the dollar so low that Colombian drug cartels are demanding payment in Euros, I think he'll have no problem competing with the Europeans on price. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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kevindoylemusic wrote:
I am actually a BASF guy Not any more. Sadly. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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After all your statements you simply can't go "oops" anymore.
Can't even type your name, Kevn? Or just that punkish type of I don't give a **** virtual shorthand that ****es everyone off that actually learned how to spell and type? -- Roger W. Norman SirMusic Studio "kevindoylemusic" wrote in message ups.com... oops kevn |
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Roger W. Norman wrote:
After all your statements you simply can't go "oops" anymore. Can't even type your name, Kevn? Or just that punkish type of I don't give a **** virtual shorthand that ****es everyone off that actually learned how to spell and type? Whilst munchin' me lunch I got the idear that these here posties are not from the real Kevin Doyle, but from some wiseass ignoranti student or other type of imposter. Wonder if one of our Canuck friends could give Mr. Doyle a call and inquire. -- ha |
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"hank alrich" wrote in message ... Roger W. Norman wrote: After all your statements you simply can't go "oops" anymore. Can't even type your name, Kevn? Or just that punkish type of I don't give a **** virtual shorthand that ****es everyone off that actually learned how to spell and type? Whilst munchin' me lunch I got the idear that these here posties are not from the real Kevin Doyle, but from some wiseass ignoranti student or other type of imposter. Wonder if one of our Canuck friends could give Mr. Doyle a call and inquire. I thought about that, too, Hank. But in checking the Recording and Production Techniques group: http://groups-beta.google.com/group/...ion-Techniques he posts from the same IP address, using the same email address, and clearly identifies himself as Kevin and where he works. This is the same contact information posted here when announcing he created the discussion group. Might be possible that some student is purpetrating it, but seems awfully unlikely, doesn't it? How long would it take for Doyle to be made aware that a worldwide discussion group was not only created in his name, but advertised using his name, continued using posts signed by him -- including information on where he works -- and audio files (Alannah Myles, "Black Velvet") created by him? John LeBlanc Houston, TX |
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What's worse? Having a student/intern ****ing with his name, or ****ing
with his own name on the same worldwide newsgroup. What do I know? I have no credentials, which, by extrapolation, means I have not credibility either. -- Roger W. Norman SirMusic Studio "John_LeBlanc" wrote in message ... "hank alrich" wrote in message ... Roger W. Norman wrote: After all your statements you simply can't go "oops" anymore. Can't even type your name, Kevn? Or just that punkish type of I don't give a **** virtual shorthand that ****es everyone off that actually learned how to spell and type? Whilst munchin' me lunch I got the idear that these here posties are not from the real Kevin Doyle, but from some wiseass ignoranti student or other type of imposter. Wonder if one of our Canuck friends could give Mr. Doyle a call and inquire. I thought about that, too, Hank. But in checking the Recording and Production Techniques group: http://groups-beta.google.com/group/...ion-Techniques he posts from the same IP address, using the same email address, and clearly identifies himself as Kevin and where he works. This is the same contact information posted here when announcing he created the discussion group. Might be possible that some student is purpetrating it, but seems awfully unlikely, doesn't it? How long would it take for Doyle to be made aware that a worldwide discussion group was not only created in his name, but advertised using his name, continued using posts signed by him -- including information on where he works -- and audio files (Alannah Myles, "Black Velvet") created by him? John LeBlanc Houston, TX |
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"Roger W. Norman" wrote in message ... What's worse? Having a student/intern ****ing with his name, or ****ing with his own name on the same worldwide newsgroup. A year from now? Not a whole heck of a lot, really. What do I know? I have no credentials, which, by extrapolation, means I have not credibility either. Well, I may not know much, but I know better than that, Roger. John LeBlanc houston, TX |
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Unless you google him! g Sometimes I remember that and google myself and
then wonder just why I was saying what I said. But even taken totally out of context, I don't feel too bad about what I've written. Well, maybe some names I've called Will, but they were baby backhands. Hardly worth the extra hand lotion I used. -- Roger W. Norman SirMusic Studio "John_LeBlanc" wrote in message ... "Roger W. Norman" wrote in message ... What's worse? Having a student/intern ****ing with his name, or ****ing with his own name on the same worldwide newsgroup. A year from now? Not a whole heck of a lot, really. What do I know? I have no credentials, which, by extrapolation, means I have not credibility either. Well, I may not know much, but I know better than that, Roger. John LeBlanc houston, TX |
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Roger W. Norman wrote:
Who cares? The writing is on the wall, but obviously not on 1.5 mil tape anymore. I almost cried when I sent my 8 tract RTR off to it's new owner. Now I'm glad I did send it off, but I wouldn't want to be in his shoes right now. So I feel bad again. Is there no end to the misery? Nahh, stay tuned. I think we'll have something usable by the end of the year. After all, JAI is still making 1.5 mil tape. It's not _good_ 1.5 mil tape, but clearly someone out there is making the base rolls. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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"kevindoylemusic" wrote in message
oups.com... Requirements of the New Prod/Eng: 1) Play a harmonic instrument 2) Can easily detect pitch and rhythm problems 3) Can record acoustic instruments 4) Program music software 5) Operate a DAW 6) Business skills 7) Excellent mixing skills 8) Understand human behavior 9) Be able to motivate self and others 10) Write and read a basic lead sheet Most of arguably the world's greatest recordings were produced and engineered by people having almost none of those skills except for a good healthy dose of #9. Of course they were recording performers who were highly skilled in 1, 2, 3, 6, 7, 8, 9 and 10, What's wrong with this picture? -- Bob Olhsson Audio Mastery, Nashville TN Mastering, Audio for Picture, Mix Evaluation and Quality Control Over 40 years making people sound better than they ever imagined! 615.385.8051 http://www.hyperback.com |
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Bob Olhsson wrote:
"kevindoylemusic" wrote in message Requirements of the New Prod/Eng: 1) Play a harmonic instrument 2) Can easily detect pitch and rhythm problems 3) Can record acoustic instruments 4) Program music software 5) Operate a DAW 6) Business skills 7) Excellent mixing skills 8) Understand human behavior 9) Be able to motivate self and others 10) Write and read a basic lead sheet Most of arguably the world's greatest recordings were produced and engineered by people having almost none of those skills except for a good healthy dose of #9. Of course they were recording performers who were highly skilled in 1, 2, 3, 6, 7, 8, 9 and 10, What's wrong with this picture? What is wrong with the picture is that the current economics no longer allow you to hire people skilled in 1 through 10. This puts a lot more pressure on one. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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Bob Olhsson wrote: "kevindoylemusic" wrote in message oups.com... Requirements of the New Prod/Eng: 1) Play a harmonic instrument 2) Can easily detect pitch and rhythm problems 3) Can record acoustic instruments 4) Program music software 5) Operate a DAW 6) Business skills 7) Excellent mixing skills 8) Understand human behavior 9) Be able to motivate self and others 10) Write and read a basic lead sheet Most of arguably the world's greatest recordings were produced and engineered by people having almost none of those skills except for a good healthy dose of #9. Of course they were recording performers who were highly skilled in 1, 2, 3, 6, 7, 8, 9 and 10, What's wrong with this picture? Well, these are the skills required to deliver a recording (made in today's computer-centric environment) of artists incapable of delivering an acceptable take in real-time. The common thread I see in most of these is the need to perform functions the artist can't (such as write a lead sheet for the session players). They are also required to produce contemporary pop music in a computer/sample-based world, where the artist knows how to dress and give interviews, and the producer deals with the boring music part. I assume being able to record acoustic instruments is to impress the client who must have a gospel choir on theitender love ballad "Lick My Love Pump" (part of a love trilogy, really....). Henry Salvia |
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