I own a Sansui G4500 receiver that I bought in the mid-1970s. Aside from one
repair in the mid-80s, it has worked perfectly.

Until recently, I've used 30-plus year old speaker wire to connect two newer
Bose bookshelf speakers, as well as standard, in-the-box wiring for DVD, CD,
phono and PC sound connections. This involves having cables running from the
AUX and attaching/unattaching other cable interconnects as needed. I tried
using a Radio Shack switch box, but would get hum. Suspect the components
inside Radio Shack box are cheap.

Recently I tried some Monster wire for the speakers and the components and
noticed an immediate difference; sound was richer, clearer, sharper. I could
hear sound on the DVDs that I could not hear before, and previously washed
out dialog was crisp. (I know this sounds like a plug, but it isn't. I was
honestly thinking of buying a new amp but was so pleased with the results of
the cable upgrade that I realize I'm fine again.) So cables do matter.

I'm wondering how far I can push sound clarity. Will it matter if I upgrade
to the Monster Interlink¨ 400 versus the 100? At what point is the price
performance ratio not worth it?

Smoke11 wrote:

I own a Sansui G4500 receiver that I bought in the mid-1970s. Aside from one
repair in the mid-80s, it has worked perfectly.

Until recently, I've used 30-plus year old speaker wire to connect two newer
Bose bookshelf speakers, as well as standard, in-the-box wiring for DVD, CD,
phono and PC sound connections. This involves having cables running from the
AUX and attaching/unattaching other cable interconnects as needed. I tried
using a Radio Shack switch box, but would get hum. Suspect the components
inside Radio Shack box are cheap.

The RS box had nothing to do with your hum job; you created a ground
loop somewhere in the setup and didn't bother to track it down.

Recently I tried some Monster wire for the speakers and the components and
noticed an immediate difference; sound was richer, clearer, sharper. I could
hear sound on the DVDs that I could not hear before, and previously washed
out dialog was crisp. (I know this sounds like a plug, but it isn't. I was
honestly thinking of buying a new amp but was so pleased with the results of
the cable upgrade that I realize I'm fine again.) So cables do matter.

It has been demonstrated that ordinary AC cable from Home Depot is
superior in all electrical properties to Mon$ter Cable speaker wire. The
best thing you get when buyingMon$ter Cable products is the opportunity
to pay for their severely over-hyped advertising claims. If you don't
believe this contact Arny Krueger who will introduce you to ABX testing
under which you can deteermine your own ability to hear the difference
between Mon$ter Cable and Home Depot wire.

I'm wondering how far I can push sound clarity. Will it matter if I upgrade
to the Monster Interlink¨ 400 versus the 100? At what point is the price
performance ratio not worth it?

Sell the speakers, sell the wire, and get Paul Stamler to sell you a
nice bridge from someplace you've not yet visited.

Or if you sincerely seek clarity in your speaker setup choose between
something nice from ATC or Klein & Hummel. At least in those cases you
get something real for your money.

--
ha

"Smoke11" wrote in message
news:xlQId.11882$ef6.11163@trnddc07
I own a Sansui G4500 receiver that I bought in the mid-1970s. Aside
from one repair in the mid-80s, it has worked perfectly.

Until recently, I've used 30-plus year old speaker wire to connect
two newer Bose bookshelf speakers, as well as standard, in-the-box
wiring for DVD, CD, phono and PC sound connections. This involves
having cables running from the AUX and attaching/unattaching other
cable interconnects as needed. I tried using a Radio Shack switch
box, but would get hum. Suspect the components inside Radio Shack box
are cheap.

I suspect you created a ground loop. The solid tip-off is the complaint
about hum.

Here are some helpful articles about ground loops:

http://www.smr-home-theatre.org/Ground-Loops/

http://www.epanorama.net/documents/g...oop/index.html

Recently I tried some Monster wire for the speakers and the
components and noticed an immediate difference; sound was richer,
clearer, sharper.

I sure that's what you perceived. Or, maybe you are trolling. Do you think
that you perceived this because Monster wire is really great, or because
your old wire was really bad, or do you want to know about some other
possible explanations?

I could hear sound on the DVDs that I could not
hear before, and previously washed out dialog was crisp. (I know this
sounds like a plug, but it isn't. I was honestly thinking of buying a
new amp but was so pleased with the results of the cable upgrade that
I realize I'm fine again.)

What outcome do you seek from posting this in an audio production group?

So cables do matter.

Of course cables matter. But, the chances that Monster cable has some kind
of unique technology that only they have is zero. The chances that ordinary
12 gauge speaker cable such as is sold at "bug box" home improvement stores
for under $0.50 per foot is also zero.


I'm wondering how far I can push sound clarity. Will it matter if I
upgrade to the Monster Interlink¨ 400 versus the 100? At what point
is the price performance ratio not worth it?

Some point you already passed. Wire matters, but beyond a readily achievable
point (see former commens about $0.50 per foot), not that much.

What outcome do you seek from posting this in an audio production group?

Perhaps I posted to the wrong group. The advice is high-level and stern to
the uniformed. But I've discovered some good links as a result of the
advice. Obviously, I'm not high level. I don't buy new components until the
old ones spark and explode. Whatever trolling is, I don't have a clue. But I
really did notice an improvement in sound quality after replacing my wires.
I was not imagining it. No way. Could I have achieved the same results with
Home Depot wiring; seems that way. So my question has been answered. Thanks
for the feedback.


"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
"Smoke11" wrote in message
news:xlQId.11882$ef6.11163@trnddc07
I own a Sansui G4500 receiver that I bought in the mid-1970s. Aside
from one repair in the mid-80s, it has worked perfectly.

Until recently, I've used 30-plus year old speaker wire to connect
two newer Bose bookshelf speakers, as well as standard, in-the-box
wiring for DVD, CD, phono and PC sound connections. This involves
having cables running from the AUX and attaching/unattaching other
cable interconnects as needed. I tried using a Radio Shack switch
box, but would get hum. Suspect the components inside Radio Shack box
are cheap.

I suspect you created a ground loop. The solid tip-off is the complaint
about hum.

Here are some helpful articles about ground loops:

http://www.smr-home-theatre.org/Ground-Loops/

http://www.epanorama.net/documents/g...oop/index.html

Recently I tried some Monster wire for the speakers and the
components and noticed an immediate difference; sound was richer,
clearer, sharper.

I sure that's what you perceived. Or, maybe you are trolling. Do you think
that you perceived this because Monster wire is really great, or because
your old wire was really bad, or do you want to know about some other
possible explanations?

I could hear sound on the DVDs that I could not
hear before, and previously washed out dialog was crisp. (I know this
sounds like a plug, but it isn't. I was honestly thinking of buying a
new amp but was so pleased with the results of the cable upgrade that
I realize I'm fine again.)

What outcome do you seek from posting this in an audio production group?

So cables do matter.

Of course cables matter. But, the chances that Monster cable has some kind
of unique technology that only they have is zero. The chances that
ordinary
12 gauge speaker cable such as is sold at "bug box" home improvement
stores
for under $0.50 per foot is also zero.


I'm wondering how far I can push sound clarity. Will it matter if I
upgrade to the Monster Interlink¨ 400 versus the 100? At what point
is the price performance ratio not worth it?

Some point you already passed. Wire matters, but beyond a readily
achievable
point (see former commens about $0.50 per foot), not that much.

I've noticed old cable can sound pretty lousy as well. I think it's probably
a consequence of oxidation which could probably be fixed by clipping back
some of the wire and using newly bare wire for connecting to the amp screw
terminals. In any event, I've always just discarded the old stuff and
purchased new stuff from Radio Shack or Fry's.

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"Smoke11" wrote in message
news:E0SId.5118$Hg6.332@trnddc09...
What outcome do you seek from posting this in an audio production group?

Perhaps I posted to the wrong group. The advice is high-level and stern to
the uniformed. But I've discovered some good links as a result of the
advice. Obviously, I'm not high level. I don't buy new components until
the
old ones spark and explode. Whatever trolling is, I don't have a clue. But
I
really did notice an improvement in sound quality after replacing my
wires.
I was not imagining it. No way. Could I have achieved the same results
with
Home Depot wiring; seems that way. So my question has been answered.
Thanks
for the feedback.


"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
"Smoke11" wrote in message
news:xlQId.11882$ef6.11163@trnddc07
I own a Sansui G4500 receiver that I bought in the mid-1970s. Aside
from one repair in the mid-80s, it has worked perfectly.

Until recently, I've used 30-plus year old speaker wire to connect
two newer Bose bookshelf speakers, as well as standard, in-the-box
wiring for DVD, CD, phono and PC sound connections. This involves
having cables running from the AUX and attaching/unattaching other
cable interconnects as needed. I tried using a Radio Shack switch
box, but would get hum. Suspect the components inside Radio Shack box
are cheap.

I suspect you created a ground loop. The solid tip-off is the complaint
about hum.

Here are some helpful articles about ground loops:

http://www.smr-home-theatre.org/Ground-Loops/

http://www.epanorama.net/documents/g...oop/index.html

Recently I tried some Monster wire for the speakers and the
components and noticed an immediate difference; sound was richer,
clearer, sharper.

I sure that's what you perceived. Or, maybe you are trolling. Do you
think
that you perceived this because Monster wire is really great, or because
your old wire was really bad, or do you want to know about some other
possible explanations?

I could hear sound on the DVDs that I could not
hear before, and previously washed out dialog was crisp. (I know this
sounds like a plug, but it isn't. I was honestly thinking of buying a
new amp but was so pleased with the results of the cable upgrade that
I realize I'm fine again.)

What outcome do you seek from posting this in an audio production group?

So cables do matter.

Of course cables matter. But, the chances that Monster cable has some
kind
of unique technology that only they have is zero. The chances that
ordinary
12 gauge speaker cable such as is sold at "bug box" home improvement
stores
for under $0.50 per foot is also zero.


I'm wondering how far I can push sound clarity. Will it matter if I
upgrade to the Monster Interlink¨ 400 versus the 100? At what point
is the price performance ratio not worth it?

Some point you already passed. Wire matters, but beyond a readily
achievable
point (see former commens about $0.50 per foot), not that much.

Please do not buy Monster Cable....their cables are overpriced and their
company operates as a corporate bully which tries to attack and intimidate
other companies with lawsuits and threats. Buy canare and/or mogami or
better yet make your own cables using canare, mogami, switchcraft and
neutrik components. Good luck!

--

Jonny Durango

"Patrick was a saint. I ain't."

http://www.jdurango.com



"Smoke11" wrote in message
news:xlQId.11882$ef6.11163@trnddc07...
I own a Sansui G4500 receiver that I bought in the mid-1970s. Aside from
one
repair in the mid-80s, it has worked perfectly.

Until recently, I've used 30-plus year old speaker wire to connect two
newer
Bose bookshelf speakers, as well as standard, in-the-box wiring for DVD,
CD,
phono and PC sound connections. This involves having cables running from
the
AUX and attaching/unattaching other cable interconnects as needed. I tried
using a Radio Shack switch box, but would get hum. Suspect the components
inside Radio Shack box are cheap.

Recently I tried some Monster wire for the speakers and the components and
noticed an immediate difference; sound was richer, clearer, sharper. I
could
hear sound on the DVDs that I could not hear before, and previously washed
out dialog was crisp. (I know this sounds like a plug, but it isn't. I was
honestly thinking of buying a new amp but was so pleased with the results
of
the cable upgrade that I realize I'm fine again.) So cables do matter.

I'm wondering how far I can push sound clarity. Will it matter if I
upgrade
to the Monster Interlink¨ 400 versus the 100? At what point is the price
performance ratio not worth it?

On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 10:53:27 -0800, "ceedub"
wrote:

I've noticed old cable can sound pretty lousy as well. I think it's probably
a consequence of oxidation which could probably be fixed by clipping back
some of the wire and using newly bare wire for connecting to the amp screw
terminals.

And I'll second this with one exception. Old Monster cables that
I've been given are oxidized all the way down the cable. Their
bad corporate behavior is just adding injury to insult.

At one time, maybe the late 1980's, I thought I had a preference
for AudioQuest's non-stranded speaker wires, so that's what's
still around here. It's the kind of judgement I wouldn't want
to be held to nowadays, FWIW.

Chris Hornbeck
"If that is git only stucco and Slotermeyer? Yes! Celebration dog that
or the Flipperwaldt gersput!" -the deadly WWII joke from Monty Python

On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 10:53:27 -0800, "ceedub"
wrote:

I've noticed old cable can sound pretty lousy as well. I think it's probably
a consequence of oxidation which could probably be fixed by clipping back
some of the wire and using newly bare wire for connecting to the amp screw
terminals. In any event, I've always just discarded the old stuff and
purchased new stuff from Radio Shack or Fry's.

Also a new expensive cable may sound better because the old
connections were oxidized or bad in some way, and installing the new
cable fixed the problem.

Willie K. Yee, M.D. http://users.bestweb.net/~wkyee
Developer of Problem Knowledge Couplers for Psychiatry http://www.pkc.com
Webmaster and Guitarist for the Big Blue Big Band http://www.bigbluebigband.org

"Smoke11" wrote ...
I own a Sansui G4500 receiver that I bought in the mid-1970s. Aside
from one
repair in the mid-80s, it has worked perfectly.

Until recently, I've used 30-plus year old speaker wire to connect two
newer
Bose bookshelf speakers, as well as standard, in-the-box wiring for
DVD, CD,
phono and PC sound connections. This involves having cables running
from the
AUX and attaching/unattaching other cable interconnects as needed. I
tried
using a Radio Shack switch box, but would get hum. Suspect the
components
inside Radio Shack box are cheap.

Ground loop. Nothing to do with the Radio Shack box components.

Recently I tried some Monster wire for the speakers and the components
and
noticed an immediate difference; sound was richer, clearer, sharper. I
could
hear sound on the DVDs that I could not hear before, and previously
washed
out dialog was crisp. (I know this sounds like a plug, but it isn't. I
was
honestly thinking of buying a new amp but was so pleased with the
results of
the cable upgrade that I realize I'm fine again.) So cables do matter.

Replacing 30-year old likely corroded speaker cable connections
with new almost certainly matters. Buying expensive "name brand",
(aka. "botique" or "snake-oil") cable will only empty your wallet
faster.

I'm wondering how far I can push sound clarity. Will it matter if I
upgrade
to the Monster Interlink¨ 400 versus the 100? At what point is the
price
performance ratio not worth it?

You are way beyond it already.

You can look up the meaning of "trolling" if you like, but know that
is is not a compliment. You clearly didn't lurk here very long to
read the current discussions if you don't know what is trolling about
making such statements about Monster cable.

On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 16:33:33 GMT, "Smoke11"
wrote:

Recently I tried some Monster wire for the speakers and the components and
noticed an immediate difference; sound was richer, clearer, sharper. snip

What were you using before, 22 AWG frame wire?

I could
hear sound on the DVDs that I could not hear before, and previously washed
out dialog was crisp. (I know this sounds like a plug, but it isn't. I was
honestly thinking of buying a new amp but was so pleased with the results of
the cable upgrade that I realize I'm fine again.) So cables do matter. snip

Copper is copper. I bet a lot that if you just replaced your zip cord
with the same guage copper, it'd sound exactly the same...in other
words, a little louder.

I'm wondering how far I can push sound clarity. Will it matter if I upgrade
to the Monster Interlink¨ 400 versus the 100? At what point is the price
performance ratio not worth it? snip

NO Monster Cable product is "worth it." Wise up.

dB

No.

"nobody" wrote in message ...

No.


Just in case the OP is counting... I agree.

--
David Morgan (MAMS)
http://www.m-a-m-s.com
Morgan Audio Media Service
Dallas, Texas (214) 662-9901
_______________________________________
http://www.artisan-recordingstudio.com

On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 03:29:20 GMT, David Morgan (MAMS)
wrote:
"nobody" wrote in message ...

No.


Just in case the OP is counting... I agree.


Even more confusion: There's an OEM cable manufacturer (I'm guessing)
that makes many "branded" cables. Most every music store carries this
cable under one brand or another.

The packaging and the cable are identical as far as I can tell, but the
cable I buy at Dave Philips Music is has "Audio Technica" printed on it,
whereas Music Den's is labeled "Supercable." Other stores carry
identical cables in similar packaging with a different name on it.

Well I've seen the same cable at the same price labeled "Monster" so
apparantly they've started licensing their name--can't say I see how it
fits with the rest of their marketing to allow generic cables to be sold
under what they've been pushing as a "Premium" label, but it's their
brand so who knows?