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"Quad" erat demonstrandum
I could not resist using the above title for my query. I have recently
purchased all Quad equipment, i.e. 99 CD player, pre-amp and 909 amplifier. Up to now I have been using B and W Speakers but have now bought a second hand pair of Quad ESL 63's which are also owned by a friend of mine who raves about them. Having got used to the different sound of them, especially in my first love, classical music, I have been puzzled by the lack of volume, some distortion and also the need to run my 909 at a higher level. I have now discovered from Quad my 63's have lost sensitivity and may have a panel problem, (please excuse my layman's description). I have about half the volume of my friends speakers and my 909 which is usually hot even on standby, seems to get exceedingly hot when using the 63's. I have decided to send them back to the dealer so that he in turn can deliver them to Quad for a complete check-up. My queries really are, first of all, why is my friends Quad amplifier quite cold in operation and standby, I understand its an older and smaller powered 303, (or some such number). Quad tell me its normal for the 909 to be hot, but how hot, as mine is almost untouchable when under power and I can smell the new paint on it. Has anyone any idea why my friends ESL's are so powerful and punchy and mine are not and with a 3 months guarantee on my speakers just starting, where do I stand, I paid £1295 for them and I feel that especially the ESL's should not be sold by a dealer supposedly in good working order, when they are quite obviously in need of servicing. I am certain that they "will" give me a good service when I go back to them but should they not have done so before selling them in the first place. Only I have a knowledgeable friend who owns 63's that I can use as a benchmark, I might never have discovered their faults and how for they fell short of their full potential. Your views would be greatly appreciated. -- Derrick Fawsitt |
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A lot of 63's are in need of servicing now since they are approaching 20
years of service powersupplies fail and panels go leaky(with current that is)you may need new panels and power supply boards John Hall here in Melbourne does heaps of them along with the 57's his number is international 613 9772 6293 cheers Trevor Lees " purchased all Quad equipment, i.e. 99 CD player, pre-amp and 909 amplifier. Up to now I have been using B and W Speakers but have now bought a second hand pair of Quad ESL 63's which are also owned by a friend of mine who raves about them. Having got used to the different sound of them, especially in my first love, classical music, I have been puzzled by the lack of volume, some distortion and also the need to run my 909 at a higher level. I have now discovered from Quad my 63's have lost sensitivity and may have a panel problem, (please excuse my layman's description). I have about half the volume of my friends speakers and my 909 which is usually hot even on standby, seems to get exceedingly hot when using the 63's. I have decided to send them back to the dealer so that he in turn can deliver them to Quad for a complete check-up. My queries really are, first of all, why is my friends Quad amplifier quite cold in operation and standby, I understand its an older and smaller powered 303, (or some such number). Quad tell me its normal for the 909 to be hot, but how hot, as mine is almost untouchable when under power and I can smell the new paint on it. Has anyone any idea why my friends ESL's are so powerful and punchy and mine are not and with a 3 months guarantee on my speakers just starting, where do I stand, I paid £1295 for them and I feel that especially the ESL's should not be sold by a dealer supposedly in good working order, when they are quite obviously in need of servicing. I am certain that they "will" give me a good service when I go back to them but should they not have done so before selling them in the first place. Only I have a knowledgeable friend who owns 63's that I can use as a benchmark, I might never have discovered their faults and how for they fell short of their full potential. Your views would be greatly appreciated. -- Derrick Fawsitt |
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In message , Trevor Lees
writes A lot of 63's are in need of servicing now since they are approaching 20 years of service powersupplies fail and panels go leaky(with current that is)you may need new panels and power supply boards John Hall here in Melbourne does heaps of them along with the 57's his number is international 613 9772 6293 cheers Trevor Lees Thank you so much Trevor, unfortunately I am in the UK and have just bought them and was led to believe they were working perfectly. I am now going to get the retailer to take them back and do what he should have done before he sold them to me as working perfectly, namely get Quad to service them and bring them back to One Hundred per cent. I am just lucky that I had my friend with his 63's to be able to compare them with my faulty ones. Once again, all my thanks, -- Derrick Fawsitt |
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"Quad" erat demonstrandum
On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 21:49:32 +0000, Derrick Fawsitt
wrote: I have been puzzled by the lack of volume, some distortion and also the need to run my 909 at a higher level. I have now discovered from Quad my 63's have lost sensitivity and may have a panel problem, (please excuse my layman's description). I have about half the volume of my friends speakers and my 909 which is usually hot even on standby, seems to get exceedingly hot when using the 63's. I have decided to send them back to the dealer so that he in turn can deliver them to Quad for a complete check-up. For what it is worth, I can give you my experience. I have the 909:s older cousin, the 606 driving a 16 year old pair of ESL-63. I think that the difference between my 606 and your 909 are quite small, so they should be comparable. My QUAD 606 does not get hot at all at idle, and mildly warm at high levels, as in you can put your hand on it and let it stay there. It does not seem right that they should be hot at idle. Disconnect the speakers and turn on the amplifier again to check that. One of my 63's lost volume a couple of years ago, and was roughly some 3-5 dB weaker than the other. I serviced them and it turned out that it needed a new electronics unit. It was clearly only one of the units that had this problem. Don't you have any other speakers that you can test the amp with? Could you find any difference between the two speakers? Between the channels in the amplifier? More questions than answers perhaps, but we could help you diagnose the problems if you perform some experiments according to the above. Per. PS. You can find a service manual for the ESL-63 at http://www.euronet.nl/users/temagm/audio/esl63.htm , if you you want to really dig in! |
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In message , Per Stromgren
writes On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 21:49:32 +0000, Derrick Fawsitt wrote: I have been puzzled by the lack of volume, some distortion and also the need to run my 909 at a higher level. I have now discovered from Quad my 63's have lost sensitivity and may have a panel problem, (please excuse my layman's description). I have about half the volume of my friends speakers and my 909 which is usually hot even on standby, seems to get exceedingly hot when using the 63's. I have decided to send them back to the dealer so that he in turn can deliver them to Quad for a complete check-up. For what it is worth, I can give you my experience. I have the 909:s older cousin, the 606 driving a 16 year old pair of ESL-63. I think that the difference between my 606 and your 909 are quite small, so they should be comparable. My QUAD 606 does not get hot at all at idle, and mildly warm at high levels, as in you can put your hand on it and let it stay there. It does not seem right that they should be hot at idle. Disconnect the speakers and turn on the amplifier again to check that. One of my 63's lost volume a couple of years ago, and was roughly some 3-5 dB weaker than the other. I serviced them and it turned out that it needed a new electronics unit. It was clearly only one of the units that had this problem. Don't you have any other speakers that you can test the amp with? Could you find any difference between the two speakers? Between the channels in the amplifier? More questions than answers perhaps, but we could help you diagnose the problems if you perform some experiments according to the above. Per. PS. You can find a service manual for the ESL-63 at http://www.euronet.nl/users/temagm/audio/esl63.htm , if you you want to really dig in! Thank you so much, a lot for me to digest and a bit of worry about my 909. I will be putting back my old B and W's today and will check the heat of the amp. I will revert back if and when I get any definite results, thanks again. -- Derrick Fawsitt |
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"Quad" erat demonstrandum
On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 09:16:34 +0000, Derrick Fawsitt
wrote: In message , Trevor Lees writes A lot of 63's are in need of servicing now since they are approaching 20 years of service powersupplies fail and panels go leaky(with current that is)you may need new panels and power supply boards John Hall here in Melbourne does heaps of them along with the 57's his number is international 613 9772 6293 cheers Trevor Lees Thank you so much Trevor, unfortunately I am in the UK and have just bought them and was led to believe they were working perfectly. I am now going to get the retailer to take them back and do what he should have done before he sold them to me as working perfectly, namely get Quad to service them and bring them back to One Hundred per cent. I am just lucky that I had my friend with his 63's to be able to compare them with my faulty ones. Once again, all my thanks, Try this option www.eraudio.com.au offer repair kits for quad ess, as well as kits fortheir own Er audio ess. If this does not work, try an email to Rob@ eraudio.com.au. They are based at Roleystone in Western Australia, but have recently appointed agents in US and UK. regards Dr Patric Scully |
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"Quad" erat demonstrandum
In message , Patric
writes Try this option www.eraudio.com.au offer repair kits for quad ess, as well as kits fortheir own Er audio ess. If this does not work, try an email to Rob@ eraudio.com.au. They are based at Roleystone in Western Australia, but have recently appointed agents in US and UK. regards Dr Patric Scully Will do Patric, I could do with an alternative for them. On a point of interest, while they are "in hospital" my dealer is loaning me the big Bosendorfers to try, that should be interesting as they are getting rave notices over here. -- Derrick Fawsitt |
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"Quad" erat demonstrandum
On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 21:49:32 +0000, Derrick Fawsitt
wrote: Up to now I have been using B and W Speakers but have now bought a second hand pair of Quad ESL 63's which are also owned by a friend of mine who raves about them. Having got used to the different sound of them, especially in my first love, classical music, I have been puzzled by the lack of volume, some distortion and also the need to run my 909 at a higher level. No chance you could have a speaker cable problem, I suppose? If you're using something esoteric, try swapping it for ordinary power cable. |
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In message , Laurence Payne
writes On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 21:49:32 +0000, Derrick Fawsitt wrote: Up to now I have been using B and W Speakers but have now bought a second hand pair of Quad ESL 63's which are also owned by a friend of mine who raves about them. Having got used to the different sound of them, especially in my first love, classical music, I have been puzzled by the lack of volume, some distortion and also the need to run my 909 at a higher level. No chance you could have a speaker cable problem, I suppose? If you're using something esoteric, try swapping it for ordinary power cable. Ahhhh! And I was persuaded to use the esoteric kind, thanks Laurence. -- Derrick Fawsitt |
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"Quad" erat demonstrandum
Hi Derrick,
If the retailer doesn't live up to his end of the bargain and proves to be a big hassel. You should be able to bring or send your ESLs back to Quad as a last resort. I know somebody who drove a pair of ESL-63s from London to the Quad factory in Huntingdon a few years back for repairing the panel arking problem, and the work was completed nicely within 2-3 hours. I heard they might have moved since, but you can email them at ", they do respond to you. Regarding the power amp, none of them should become too hot to the touch whether its the 405, 606 or 909. As for the tubes on the Quad II Forty, that's a different story. When your 909 and ESLs are back at 100%, try the London Decca recording of Sibelius' Finlandia (conducted by Vladimir Ashkenazy) if you are not already familiar with it. With proper placement of the ESLs, it will surely put a smile on your face. Regards, Kev Derrick Fawsitt wrote: In message , Laurence Payne writes On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 21:49:32 +0000, Derrick Fawsitt wrote: Up to now I have been using B and W Speakers but have now bought a second hand pair of Quad ESL 63's which are also owned by a friend of mine who raves about them. Having got used to the different sound of them, especially in my first love, classical music, I have been puzzled by the lack of volume, some distortion and also the need to run my 909 at a higher level. No chance you could have a speaker cable problem, I suppose? If you're using something esoteric, try swapping it for ordinary power cable. Ahhhh! And I was persuaded to use the esoteric kind, thanks Laurence. -- Derrick Fawsitt |
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"Quad" erat demonstrandum
In message .com, K
writes Hi Derrick, If the retailer doesn't live up to his end of the bargain and proves to be a big hassel. You should be able to bring or send your ESLs back to Quad as a last resort. I know somebody who drove a pair of ESL-63s from London to the Quad factory in Huntingdon a few years back for repairing the panel arking problem, and the work was completed nicely within 2-3 hours. I heard they might have moved since, but you can email them at ", they do respond to you. Regarding the power amp, none of them should become too hot to the touch whether its the 405, 606 or 909. As for the tubes on the Quad II Forty, that's a different story. When your 909 and ESLs are back at 100%, try the London Decca recording of Sibelius' Finlandia (conducted by Vladimir Ashkenazy) if you are not already familiar with it. With proper placement of the ESLs, it will surely put a smile on your face. Regards, Kev Hi Kev. Thank you for that and apologies for not getting back sooner but my PC was down. Yes, I am looking forward to trying them and when I do get them back I will report back here. Again, all my thanks, -- Derrick Fawsitt |
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