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Syncing Alesis HD24
Hi there,
I'd like to sync my two Alesis HD24's together to do a 48 track recording. Can anyone advise as to the best way of doing this? Ideally cheaply! Thanks in advance for any help, BM |
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Syncing Alesis HD24
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Syncing Alesis HD24
You need to link them via the ADAT Sync cable. The 2nd machine will go into
a chase or slave mode. It isn't a true 48 track recorder- rather it will work like 2-24 track that run in sync. You'll need to set up your sessions on both recorders as you normally would. Then on the 2nd machine, you'll need run just a few seconds of recording (10 or 15 or so). At that point, anything that your second machine will chase whatever you do on the first. Sort of a pain, but it works fine (I just did a 48 track concert recording with these and didn't have any sync or drift issues over a 3 hour show). --Ben -- Benjamin Maas Fifth Circle Audio Los Angeles, CA http://www.fifthcircle.com please remove "nospam" upon reply wrote in message ... Hi there, I'd like to sync my two Alesis HD24's together to do a 48 track recording. Can anyone advise as to the best way of doing this? Ideally cheaply! Thanks in advance for any help, BM |
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Mike Rivers wrote:
....but why do you think that a 48-track recorder should be cheap? He's not thinking that the 48-track should be cheap. He is just hoping that the method of sync'ing the 2 24-Track HD's will be cheap. In his case, it turns out, it IS cheap. Cheap is a relative term, though. As far as I'm concerned, 2 HD24's sync'ed for 48-tracks for under $4000 is cheap. Not too long ago, 8 track digital tape recorders were around $4000 each, and studios were paying $250k for 48-track digital recorders (DASH). I know you're aware of all of this, but it illustrates the point: Compared to 10 years ago, we can now have decent quality, cheap 48-track digital recorders. -- Eric Practice Your Mixing Skills Download Our Multi-Track Masters www.Raw-Tracks.com www.Mad-Host.com |
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EricK wrote: Mike Rivers wrote: Cheap is a relative term, though. As far as I'm concerned, 2 HD24's sync'ed for 48-tracks for under $4000 is cheap. Agreed. But I don't look so much at the cost of the equipment (though that certainly is a contribution factor), I look at the cost to provide the service or capability. 48 tracks of Studer analog recording is about $120,000, plus about $500/hour for media. That's expensive. g I just get a bit miffed when people expect to get a $100K+ cabability "cheap." Alesis recommends that you use a genuine Alesis sync cable. That might cost $30, where you could get something that looks like the same thing for $10. So even $30 for a cable might not be considered cheap if he's used to $10 cables. In any case, he should have just read the damn manual. It's right there. I checked. Then, the question would probably be "The manual says I need an Alesis sync cable. Does anyone have one for sale cheap?" That wouldn't bother me quite so much. It's a small point, probably not worth your time or mine to debate further. |
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Mike Rivers wrote:
In any case, he should have just read the damn manual. Right on, Mike. Couldn't agree more. Cheers! -- Eric Practice Your Mixing Skills Download Our Multi-Track Masters www.Raw-Tracks.com www.Mad-Host.com |
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If Benjamin doesn't know how to do it, nobody does. The only thing I'd say
is to link multiple recorders via word sync so that each unit has an absolute for recording. I've done hours and hours of multiple DA38 recordings without a problem, but when I get them back home to the studio, I absolutely use word clock for sync of the crystals. From there I have no problems. Since the HD24 uses the Adat sync cable which supplies a master sync, I'm not sure why Ben says you need to have 10 to 15 seconds of running 2nd machine, but I'd believe him until I proved it different. And even then I'd have to document it because Ben really does know what he's saying. I can, however, see that by setting up the 2nd machine running it will be searching for the sync signal (since it's designated as the 2nd machine) and once it gets the signal it will be a hard signal. Can't say that I'd want to have to remember that on a live situation, but then again I've learned to have to remember to punch "format" on the DA38s because I had just bought the tapes on the day of the event. -- Roger W. Norman SirMusic Studio http://blogs.salon.com/0004478/ "Is our children learning?" President George W. Bush "EricK" wrote in message ... Mike Rivers wrote: ....but why do you think that a 48-track recorder should be cheap? He's not thinking that the 48-track should be cheap. He is just hoping that the method of sync'ing the 2 24-Track HD's will be cheap. In his case, it turns out, it IS cheap. Cheap is a relative term, though. As far as I'm concerned, 2 HD24's sync'ed for 48-tracks for under $4000 is cheap. Not too long ago, 8 track digital tape recorders were around $4000 each, and studios were paying $250k for 48-track digital recorders (DASH). I know you're aware of all of this, but it illustrates the point: Compared to 10 years ago, we can now have decent quality, cheap 48-track digital recorders. -- Eric Practice Your Mixing Skills Download Our Multi-Track Masters www.Raw-Tracks.com www.Mad-Host.com |
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Benjamin Maas wrote:
(I just did a 48 track concert recording with these and didn't have any sync or drift issues over a 3 hour show) Did you use the HD24's convertors, or outboard? -- ha |
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Simple..
It is because the 2nd recorder is chasing the first. When you try to record without any time on the 2nd, it gives you an error message that it can't locate the start point. It seems that the first was sending out a locate point and then it was free running from the first using the time code and clock off the ADAT sync cable. Hence the need to put a few seconds on the 2nd deck. It gives it something to work with... Because of the whole weird naming thing as well, it is obvious that 48 tracks of HD24 is not really a 48 track recorder, but 2x24 track recorders. Works quite well, but it isn't what you would necessarily expect. --Ben -- Benjamin Maas Fifth Circle Audio Los Angeles, CA http://www.fifthcircle.com please remove "nospam" upon reply "Roger W. Norman" wrote in message ... If Benjamin doesn't know how to do it, nobody does. The only thing I'd say is to link multiple recorders via word sync so that each unit has an absolute for recording. I've done hours and hours of multiple DA38 recordings without a problem, but when I get them back home to the studio, I absolutely use word clock for sync of the crystals. From there I have no problems. Since the HD24 uses the Adat sync cable which supplies a master sync, I'm not sure why Ben says you need to have 10 to 15 seconds of running 2nd machine, but I'd believe him until I proved it different. And even then I'd have to document it because Ben really does know what he's saying. I can, however, see that by setting up the 2nd machine running it will be searching for the sync signal (since it's designated as the 2nd machine) and once it gets the signal it will be a hard signal. Can't say that I'd want to have to remember that on a live situation, but then again I've learned to have to remember to punch "format" on the DA38s because I had just bought the tapes on the day of the event. -- Roger W. Norman SirMusic Studio http://blogs.salon.com/0004478/ "Is our children learning?" President George W. Bush "EricK" wrote in message ... Mike Rivers wrote: ....but why do you think that a 48-track recorder should be cheap? He's not thinking that the 48-track should be cheap. He is just hoping that the method of sync'ing the 2 24-Track HD's will be cheap. In his case, it turns out, it IS cheap. Cheap is a relative term, though. As far as I'm concerned, 2 HD24's sync'ed for 48-tracks for under $4000 is cheap. Not too long ago, 8 track digital tape recorders were around $4000 each, and studios were paying $250k for 48-track digital recorders (DASH). I know you're aware of all of this, but it illustrates the point: Compared to 10 years ago, we can now have decent quality, cheap 48-track digital recorders. -- Eric Practice Your Mixing Skills Download Our Multi-Track Masters www.Raw-Tracks.com www.Mad-Host.com |
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Syncing Alesis HD24
Used the onboard converters, coming off of Midas Venice consoles. Did the
job, but wasn't audiophile. Of course it was a rock concert so audiophile wasn't in the cards from the start. --Ben -- Benjamin Maas Fifth Circle Audio Los Angeles, CA http://www.fifthcircle.com please remove "nospam" upon reply "hank alrich" wrote in message .. . Benjamin Maas wrote: (I just did a 48 track concert recording with these and didn't have any sync or drift issues over a 3 hour show) Did you use the HD24's convertors, or outboard? -- ha |
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Benjamin Maas wrote:
Used the onboard converters, coming off of Midas Venice consoles. Did the job, but wasn't audiophile. Of course it was a rock concert so audiophile wasn't in the cards from the start. Thanks, Ben. -- ha |
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Syncing Alesis HD24
On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 07:32:23 -0600, EricK wrote:
Cheap is a relative term, though. As far as I'm concerned, 2 HD24's sync'ed for 48-tracks for under $4000 is cheap. Not too long ago, 8 track digital tape recorders were around $4000 each, and studios were paying $250k for 48-track digital recorders (DASH). I know you're aware of all of this, but it illustrates the point: Compared to 10 years ago, we can now have decent quality, cheap 48-track digital recorders. You can also have a Sony 3348 DASH machine for the same sort of price nowadays too. The problem is that, while it may look impressive, it doesn't really have any advantages over the cheaper gear nowadays. Cheers James. |
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