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Alesis HD24 problem
I just got a used HD24 yesterday. Both supplied drives mount and
operate fine in Bay # 1 but when in Bay 2 they mount and then dismount. Afterward, the display says "check jumper setting." I find nothing in the manual about a different jumper setting for Bay 2. The only thing mentioned is that all drives should be set for master/single. Any one know what's going on here? Rick Ruskin Lion Dog Music - Seattle WA http://liondogmusic.com http://www.myspace.com/rickruskin |
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Rick Ruskin writes:
I just got a used HD24 yesterday. Both supplied drives mount and operate fine in Bay # 1 but when in Bay 2 they mount and then dismount. Afterward, the display says "check jumper setting." I find nothing in the manual about a different jumper setting for Bay 2. The only thing mentioned is that all drives should be set for master/single. Any one know what's going on here? Rick Ruskin Hi Rick - Might be an incomplete mating of the caddy into the receiver. Possibly the drive 2 connector has shifted slightly out of alignment - it's hard to judge by eye, though. The caddy/mating system has been somewhat notorious for not always getting a perfect, solid connection. You could try loosening the mounting screws inside the machine, sliding the mating assembly foward a touch, then retightening. (Beware cheap screws; use a correct screwdriver.) Could also be that the front panel frame is off just enough to prevent a full seating on bay 2. For many this has been intermittent based on several tolerances being slightly off. Many have solved this by putting small washers on the screws that tie the connector to the caddy. The washers go between the connector and frame such that the caddy connector is lifted out just a little more (single washer thickness is usually about right). This causes more full seating of the the caddy into the host connector. While I never had any connection problems with the drives on my HD24XR, I have done the washer mod and all the caddies that have had the mod feel way more secure when they seat. It's a great machine, with many good features for the money, but this part of its execution isn't the best. Be gentle with it, don't force it, but try giving it just a little help in this area and see if that doesn't clear the problem. Hope that helps, Frank Stearns Mobile Audio -- |
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Alesis HD24 problem
On Oct 18, 8:29*pm, Rick Ruskin wrote:
I just got a used HD24 yesterday. Both supplied drives mount and operate fine in Bay # 1 but when in Bay 2 they mount and then dismount. Afterward, the display says "check jumper setting." I find nothing in the manual about a different jumper setting for Bay 2. The only thing mentioned is that all drives should be set for master/single. Any one know what's going on here? Rick Ruskin Lion Dog Music - Seattle WAhttp://liondogmusic.comhttp://www.myspace.com/rickruskin You might want to visit the HD24 yahoogroup. There are a few known problems involving the physical connection of the drive to the bay. One fix involves adding plastic washers to the caddy behind the multipin connector. Essentially the drive is not making full contact so it dismounts. I've had problems with a particular drive/caddy, and haven't been able to determine if it's the drive itself or the caddy. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't! Also the HD24 appears to prefer some brands of harddrive over others. Good Luck! |
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DienerMusic wrote:
You might want to visit the HD24 yahoogroup. Indeed, strongly recommended! - also consider that the drive bays are not designed for the road, either take the drives out during transport or transport the unit "drives up". Kind regards Peter Larsen |
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On Sat, 18 Oct 2008 18:48:40 -0700 (PDT), DienerMusic
wrote: On Oct 18, 8:29Â*pm, Rick Ruskin wrote: I just got a used HD24 yesterday. Both supplied drives mount and operate fine in Bay # 1 but when in Bay 2 they mount and then dismount. Afterward, the display says "check jumper setting." I find nothing in the manual about a different jumper setting for Bay 2. The only thing mentioned is that all drives should be set for master/single. Any one know what's going on here? Rick Ruskin Lion Dog Music - Seattle WAhttp://liondogmusic.comhttp://www.myspace.com/rickruskin You might want to visit the HD24 yahoogroup. There are a few known problems involving the physical connection of the drive to the bay. One fix involves adding plastic washers to the caddy behind the multipin connector. Essentially the drive is not making full contact so it dismounts. I've had problems with a particular drive/caddy, and haven't been able to determine if it's the drive itself or the caddy. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't! Also the HD24 appears to prefer some brands of harddrive over others. Good Luck! I've tried all auggestions and nothing helps so far. I have determined that any drive in bay 2 is not getting power. Swapping the power connectors makes no difference. All ribbon connectors are tight. Any ohter suggestions as to what the cause(s) might be? Rick Ruskin Lion Dog Music - Seattle WA http://liondogmusic.com http://www.myspace.com/rickruskin |
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Rick Ruskin wrote:
I've tried all auggestions and nothing helps so far. I have determined that any drive in bay 2 is not getting power. Swapping the power connectors makes no difference. All ribbon connectors are tight. Any ohter suggestions as to what the cause(s) might be? The meter will tell you. The meter is your friend. Track from the power pins on the connector on back. Odds are there is a fuse or a "safety resistor" that is gone, assuming you don't have a timer to delay power on for the drive.... in which case the timing circuit is suspect too. The meter will tell you for sure. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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On Oct 23, 6:03 pm, Rick Ruskin wrote:
I've tried all auggestions and nothing helps so far. I have determined that any drive in bay 2 is not getting power. Swapping the power connectors makes no difference. All ribbon connectors are tight. Any ohter suggestions as to what the cause(s) might be? That kind of points to the drive bay. The one that's used in the Mackie hard disk recorders has a little circuit board inside with several components on it. I've had one fail on me, and a couple of others have, too. If the cables reach, you could swap them and see if the same drive bay (with the cables swapped, the "other" drive with respect to the recorder) still has the problem. You will probably have to deal with Alesis to get a replacement. |
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Mike Rivers wrote:
On Oct 23, 6:03 pm, Rick Ruskin wrote: I've tried all auggestions and nothing helps so far. I have determined that any drive in bay 2 is not getting power. Swapping the power connectors makes no difference. All ribbon connectors are tight. Any ohter suggestions as to what the cause(s) might be? That kind of points to the drive bay. The one that's used in the Mackie hard disk recorders has a little circuit board inside with several components on it. I've had one fail on me, and a couple of others have, too. If the cables reach, you could swap them and see if the same drive bay (with the cables swapped, the "other" drive with respect to the recorder) still has the problem. You will probably have to deal with Alesis to get a replacement. http://www.samedaymusic.com/product--ALECADDY |
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"Rick Ruskin" wrote ...
I've tried all auggestions and nothing helps so far. I have determined that any drive in bay 2 is not getting power. Swapping the power connectors makes no difference. All ribbon connectors are tight. Any ohter suggestions as to what the cause(s) might be? Remember that the HD24 actively switches drive bay power on/off under control of the computer firmware. It is possibly a problem with the power switching mechanism. I have not looked closely enough to know exactly what that is. |
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Mike Rivers wrote: You will probably have to deal with Alesis to get a replacement. Romeo Rondeau wrote: http://www.samedaymusic.com/product--ALECADDY If that was the part he needed, he could tell because the "faulty" drive wouldn't work in either hole. What he might need is the part that's installed in the recorder, not the enclosure for the bare disk drive. I wasn't aware of the firmware-controlled power switching for the disk drives that Richard mentioned. That could be a nasty problem to find since it's difficult, without getting pretty far into the inner workings, whether it's a hardware or a firmware problem. And if it's a firmware problem, it could require a replacement or reprogramming of an EPROM, -- If you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring and reach me he double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo -- I'm really Mike Rivers ) |
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Update - Alesis HD24 problem
On Thu, 23 Oct 2008 19:54:53 -0700 (PDT), Mike Rivers
wrote: On Oct 23, 6:03 pm, Rick Ruskin wrote: I've tried all auggestions and nothing helps so far. I have determined that any drive in bay 2 is not getting power. Swapping the power connectors makes no difference. All ribbon connectors are tight. Any ohter suggestions as to what the cause(s) might be? That kind of points to the drive bay. The one that's used in the Mackie hard disk recorders has a little circuit board inside with several components on it. I've had one fail on me, and a couple of others have, too. If the cables reach, you could swap them and see if the same drive bay (with the cables swapped, the "other" drive with respect to the recorder) still has the problem. You will probably have to deal with Alesis to get a replacement. This problem solved. Bad transistor on the drive bay pc board. New problem: No signal at input of tracks 21 & 22. A/D converter for that position is toast. Part # is AL1101. Can these be purchased individually or will I be forced to buy an entirely new A/D assembly? Rick Ruskin Lion Dog Music - Seattle WA http://liondogmusic.com http://www.myspace.com/rickruskin |
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Update - Alesis HD24 problem
Rick Ruskin wrote:
This problem solved. Bad transistor on the drive bay pc board. Good work. I have a dead Mackie (Lian Li RH-58) drive bay here. I probably should figure out what's wrong with it and fix it. New problem: No signal at input of tracks 21 & 22. A/D converter for that position is toast. Part # is AL1101. Can these be purchased individually or will I be forced to buy an entirely new A/D assembly? It's a Wavefront part, which is Alesis Semiconductor. If you can find a distributor that carries the chip, you should be able to buy it separately. Did you check the DigiKey catalog? -- If you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring and reach me he double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo -- I'm really Mike Rivers ) |
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Alesis HD24 problem
On Saturday, October 18, 2008 at 7:29:09 PM UTC-5, Rick Ruskin wrote:
I just got a used HD24 yesterday. Both supplied drives mount and operate fine in Bay # 1 but when in Bay 2 they mount and then dismount. Afterward, the display says "check jumper setting." I find nothing in the manual about a different jumper setting for Bay 2. The only thing mentioned is that all drives should be set for master/single. Any one know what's going on here? Rick Ruskin Lion Dog Music - Seattle WA http://liondogmusic.com http://www.myspace.com/rickruskin Guys II have a problem. after transfer with alesis interface theres nuthin really there. |
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Guys II have a problem. after transfer with alesis interface theres nuthin really there. Transfer from what to where? You have a computer and you played something through lightpipe into the HD24 and nothing was recorded to disk? You had a file on the HD24 and you played it through lightpipe into a computer and the computer didn't see anything? You can record and play through the analogue inputs? Or did this happen when using the analogue inputs? --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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On 7/25/2016 11:01 AM, wrote:
Guys II have a problem. after transfer with alesis interface theres nuthin really there. When you play back the recording, do the meters move? If so, there's sum'thin there. The HD24 uses its own format on the hard drive, so you need a program in order to copy recordings to a computer as WAV files. -- For a good time, call http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com |
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On Monday, July 25, 2016 at 10:20:18 AM UTC-5, Scott Dorsey wrote:
wrote: Guys II have a problem. after transfer with alesis interface theres nuthin really there. Transfer from what to where? You have a computer and you played something through lightpipe into the HD24 and nothing was recorded to disk? You had a file on the HD24 and you played it through lightpipe into a computer and the computer didn't see anything? You can record and play through the analogue inputs? Or did this happen when using the analogue inputs? --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." I'm just ranfering them to the computer to use in DAw program. |
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On Monday, July 25, 2016 at 10:20:18 AM UTC-5, Scott Dorsey wrote:
wrote: Guys II have a problem. after transfer with alesis interface theres nuthin really there. Transfer from what to where? You have a computer and you played something through lightpipe into the HD24 and nothing was recorded to disk? You had a file on the HD24 and you played it through lightpipe into a computer and the computer didn't see anything? You can record and play through the analogue inputs? Or did this happen when using the analogue inputs? --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." I'm wanting to transfer to computer thru 1394 interface |
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On 7/25/2016 6:08 PM, wrote:
I'm wanting to transfer to computer thru 1394 interface The HD24 connects to a computer through Ethernet (and it's only 10BaseT). Are you talking about the Fireport adapter that plugs into the back of an HD24 drive? Have you RTFM? You can still get a copy from the secret Alesis obsolete gear web site: http://67.192.162.144/fireport You can also get the software that you have to use with it from the same web site. It's not just plug-and-play. -- For a good time, call http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com |
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wrote: On Monday, July 25, 2016 at 10:20:18 AM UTC-5, Scott Dorsey wrote: wrote: Guys II have a problem. after transfer with alesis interface theres nuthin really there. Transfer from what to where? You have a computer and you played something through lightpipe into the HD24 and nothing was recorded to disk? You had a file on the HD24 and you played it through lightpipe into a computer and the computer didn't see anything? You can record and play through the analogue inputs? Or did this happen when using the analogue inputs? I'm wanting to transfer to computer thru 1394 interface Okay, then you need a device to turn the lightpipe signal into a firewire signal, then you need a computer with an operating system and some application that can read from the firewire. Do you have these things and if so what kind are they? --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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Mike Rivers writes:
On 7/25/2016 6:08 PM, wrote: I'm wanting to transfer to computer thru 1394 interface The HD24 connects to a computer through Ethernet (and it's only 10BaseT). Are you talking about the Fireport adapter that plugs into the back of an HD24 drive? Have you RTFM? You can still get a copy from the secret Alesis obsolete gear web site: http://67.192.162.144/fireport You can also get the software that you have to use with it from the same web site. It's not just plug-and-play. And, that software will *not* run under win 7. XP is the last workable OS for the Alesis transfer software. However, do a web search for "HD24tools". A fellow in Europe has developed replacement software by that name that will work with newer operating systems. Also, it'll work with a wider range of configurations, such as inboard docking stations rather than the external fireport (but I'm not 100% sure on that last one; I still have and use my original Alesis fireport for transfers). Also be aware that an HD24 Yahoo group exists; lots of helpful folks over there. Frank Mobile Audio -- |
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Ron C writes:
On 7/25/2016 8:12 PM, Frank Stearns wrote: snips I used an ADAT HD24 in my old venue ~~10 years ago. I used ADAT connect software with usb hardware to transfer my data. Quick check, it works with: Windows 9X / ME / NT / 2K / XP / 2003 / Vista / XP 64 bit / 2008 / Vista 64 bit / 7 / 7 64 bit / 8 / 8 64 bit / Android / Server 2012 / OS Independent / 8.1 / 8.1 64 bit / 10 / 10 64 bit / Linux / Mac / All / Unix When you say "quick check", what did you do? FSTconnect will load and *looks* like it might work, but when push comes to shove, it does not -- at least least with Win7 64 bit. IIRC, it refused to see the 1394 connection (even running as Admin); probably a driver issue to get to the actual fireport hardware. Sometimes you get lucky with ancient drivers for which no updates exist, often you don't. I never bothered to try the 10 base T or light pipe download options. Very wise. That's a good way to make yourself insane -- loading dozens of Gbytes at something a little less than 10 Mbits/second (10 baseT). And that's when you got the connection to hold without mysteriously disconnecting. Tried 10 base T one time, which immediately prompted getting the fireport. I had no problem down loading several hour multi tracks to my pc for processing. But did you do that with a modern OS? You mentioned "10 years ago" above... Frank Mobile Audio -- |
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On 7/25/2016 8:12 PM, Frank Stearns wrote:
Of course, straight-ahead use of WAV files on standard-format drives would be nice, but back in the day drives were not fast enough to support this. And, even then, I still like the proprietary formatting Alesis does for multitrack audio recording. Many potenial gotchas are taken out of the disk equation when multitrack audio is what the format was designed to do. The Mackie and TASCAM hard disk recorders had no problem writing WAV files on hard drives. The TASCAM wrote contiguous files, the Mackie recorded into memory and saved the recording in 10 minute chunks, which a lot of people didn't like once DAWs came along and they wanted to use it for something other than a substitute for a multitrack analog recorder. The pieces fit together seamlessly, though TASCAM used this "work around" to make a point about the Mackie couldn't record WAV files of any length. It's good to know that either documentation was available or the disk format was sufficiently hackable for someone to develop new software for it. That was never the case with the Mackie recorders. -- For a good time, call http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com |
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Frank Stearns wrote:
Okay, then you need a device to turn the lightpipe signal into a firewire signal, then you need a computer with an operating system and some application that can read from the firewire. Do you have these things and if so what kind are they? If such a thing existed, it would be a painful method, as it would likely be a real-time transfer. A bunch of them exist, and yes, it's realtime. What's wrong with realtime? Slipping the hard drive out of the HD24 (as it's designed to do), connecting it to a computer via a docking station that talks to your DAW, can be a blindingly fast way to do the transfer. The new 3rd party software is very fast; I get rates that are probably better than 50x real-time for transfers. (The original Alesis transfer software was probably around 20-25x.) What is this software? The only software I know of is the Alesis software. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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On 7/26/2016 6:33 AM, Frank Stearns wrote:
Ron C writes: On 7/25/2016 8:12 PM, Frank Stearns wrote: snips I used an ADAT HD24 in my old venue ~~10 years ago. I used ADAT connect software with usb hardware to transfer my data. Quick check, it works with: Windows 9X / ME / NT / 2K / XP / 2003 / Vista / XP 64 bit / 2008 / Vista 64 bit / 7 / 7 64 bit / 8 / 8 64 bit / Android / Server 2012 / OS Independent / 8.1 / 8.1 64 bit / 10 / 10 64 bit / Linux / Mac / All / Unix When you say "quick check", what did you do? FSTconnect will load and *looks* like it might work, but when push comes to shove, it does not -- at least least with Win7 64 bit. IIRC, it refused to see the 1394 connection (even running as Admin); probably a driver issue to get to the actual fireport hardware. Sometimes you get lucky with ancient drivers for which no updates exist, often you don't. I never bothered to try the 10 base T or light pipe download options. Very wise. That's a good way to make yourself insane -- loading dozens of Gbytes at something a little less than 10 Mbits/second (10 baseT). And that's when you got the connection to hold without mysteriously disconnecting. Tried 10 base T one time, which immediately prompted getting the fireport. I had no problem down loading several hour multi tracks to my pc for processing. But did you do that with a modern OS? You mentioned "10 years ago" above... Frank Mobile Audio All the ADAT hardware belonged to the venue so I haven't used any of it since I left there. Anyway, the quick check was just a Google search. I found this http://drivers.softpedia.com/get/Oth...nect-105.shtml == Later... Ron Capik -- |
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Frank Stearns wrote:
(Scott Dorsey) writes: Frank Stearns wrote: Okay, then you need a device to turn the lightpipe signal into a firewire signal, then you need a computer with an operating system and some application that can read from the firewire. Do you have these things and if so what kind are they? If such a thing existed, it would be a painful method, as it would likely be a real-time transfer. A bunch of them exist, and yes, it's realtime. What's wrong with realtime? Well, if you had, say, 15-20 hours of 24 track from a 3 day location session, or maybe 4-6 hours of a rehearsal plus performance from some other event, that's a LOT of transfer time. Yes, but transfers can be done unattended, so they don't eat into your billable time unless they're blocking up a piece of equipment that needs to be used for something else. Where it becomes a problem is with stuff like DAT transfers which can't be done unattended because you need to be on the lookout for dropouts. What is this software? The only software I know of is the Alesis software. HD24tools from Mark Brovaart in The Netherlands. In some ways I don't like it as well as the original Alesis software, but he does have a preview mixer, a way to select what to transfer based on stop/start points, and a full suite of recovery tools should your HD24(xr) have an issue and mess up the disk. In over 10 years I've never had a disk issue, but it can be a disaster if you're recording and the power glitches (I *always* have my machines on a UPS), or if you're in a super loud environment and the drive hiccups from vibration. (Thankfully, I never do that kind of work.) In either case, HD24tools has methods and tools to recover that data. And, the transfers are blindingly fast. As noted, at least twice as fast as the Alesis software. That is extremely cool. I work often with a guy who uses the HD24 and I don't think he knows about this yet either, so I will definitely prod him about it. I'm also pretty sure the original poster in this thread doesn't know about it and would benefit from it too. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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Ron C writes:
On 7/26/2016 6:33 AM, Frank Stearns wrote: Ron C writes: On 7/25/2016 8:12 PM, Frank Stearns wrote: snips I used an ADAT HD24 in my old venue ~~10 years ago. I used ADAT connect software with usb hardware to transfer my data. Quick check, it works with: Windows 9X / ME / NT / 2K / XP / 2003 / Vista / XP 64 bit / 2008 / Vista 64 bit / 7 / 7 64 bit / 8 / 8 64 bit / Android / Server 2012 / OS Independent / 8.1 / 8.1 64 bit / 10 / 10 64 bit / Linux / Mac / All / Unix When you say "quick check", what did you do? FSTconnect will load and *looks* like it might work, but when push comes to shove, it does not -- at least least with Win7 64 bit. snips Anyway, the quick check was just a Google search. I found this http://drivers.softpedia.com/get/Oth...nect-105.shtml That's version 1.05, which I though I was running, but maybe it's actually 1.04. I'll give this a try, see what happens. Thanks for the link! Frank Mobile Audio -- |
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Frank Stearns wrote:
And perhaps he'd want to join the HD24 group. Lots of good resources there. The HD24 is indeed an aging platform, but several design aspects are really spot on and no one has as yet duplicated them. Heck, how many machines feel as close to an analog Ampex or Studer as the HD24? (And in a much smaller footprint.) RADAR! There's a Tascam machine that people like and which I have considered, but I really, really like the way RADAR feels. The JoeCo box is kinda there, but it's spendy and the input flexibility isn't nearly as useful as the HD24. Yes, it's sort of a special-purpose device for sound reinforcement guys who are looking to do recording on the side, much like the Cymatic. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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On 7/26/2016 3:09 PM, Frank Stearns wrote:
The HD24 is indeed an aging platform, but several design aspects are really spot on and no one has as yet duplicated them. Heck, how many machines feel as close to an analog Ampex or Studer as the HD24? (And in a much smaller footprint.) Well, there's the Mackie (the HDR24/96 has about the best editor I've ever used, something an Ampex or Studer doesn't have), and Radar is still around. It's always sounded good, and its user interface keeps improving. You can run Pro Tools on the current version if you prefer that GUI. The JoeCo box is kinda there, but it's spendy and the input flexibility isn't nearly as useful as the HD24. It's not a studio machine in the sense that you can't punch in. Cymatic has a new 24-channel one that's similar in function to the JoeCo and somewhat cheaper. The JoeCo offers the greater choice of input options, so it's a good choice (as long as you've bought a few accessory I/O cards) if you don't know what you'll be connecting to until you get there. -- For a good time, call http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com |
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Frank Stearns wrote:
(Scott Dorsey) writes: snip The JoeCo box is kinda there, but it's spendy and the input flexibility isn't nearly as useful as the HD24. I'm not convinced that a good laptop plus an 8 ch interface with Lightpipe and 8 channels of Lightpipe A/D isn't better, simply because it has a full display. It's a shame Fostex didn't move forward with a true successor to the VF16. I know they've had odds and sods in that direction but that market's down to bare bones. snip Frank Mobile Audio -- Les Cargill |
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Alesis HD24 problem
On 7/27/2016 12:16 PM, Les Cargill wrote:
(Scott Dorsey) writes: The JoeCo box is kinda there, but it's spendy and the input flexibility isn't nearly as useful as the HD24. I'm not convinced that a good laptop plus an 8 ch interface with Lightpipe and 8 channels of Lightpipe A/D isn't better, simply because it has a full display. If you needed 24 channels, or even 9 channels, would that convince you? What's attractive about a stand-alone recorder for situations where you only need capture is less haywire. Your laptop computer with an interface and A/D converter is three boxes with a lightpipe connection (two if you want to run at 96 kHz sample rate as many do these days) plus USB or something similar to get from the computer to the interface. More boxes to fall off the table and more connections to come loose. That may not be a big deal when you're setting up essentially a control room at a remote location - you have a certain amount of control over where you can put things and who wanders by a little tipsy and jostles your stack of gear. You could do a little damage control by racking up the interface and converters so you only need to connect the analog inputs (you'd have to do that with the stand-alone recorder anyway), and have just one cable going to the laptop computer. And while you have a built-in UPS for the computer, you don't for the interfacing hardware. The TASCAM X-48 is probably the most advanced of the dedicated multitrack recorders. It has a mixer built in so you can set up a monitor mix and solo channels with only a little more clumsiness than if you had a console on the gig. -- For a good time, call http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com |
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Les Cargill wrote:
Frank Stearns wrote: (Scott Dorsey) writes: The JoeCo box is kinda there, but it's spendy and the input flexibility isn't nearly as useful as the HD24. I'm not convinced that a good laptop plus an 8 ch interface with Lightpipe and 8 channels of Lightpipe A/D isn't better, simply because it has a full display. The thing about the JoeCo and the Cymatic is that they aren't computers, they are appliances. You put them into the rack and cable them up and forget about them. They just work. It's a shame Fostex didn't move forward with a true successor to the VF16. I know they've had odds and sods in that direction but that market's down to bare bones. Agreed. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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Mike Rivers wrote:
On 7/27/2016 12:16 PM, Les Cargill wrote: (Scott Dorsey) writes: The JoeCo box is kinda there, but it's spendy and the input flexibility isn't nearly as useful as the HD24. I'm not convinced that a good laptop plus an 8 ch interface with Lightpipe and 8 channels of Lightpipe A/D isn't better, simply because it has a full display. If you needed 24 channels, or even 9 channels, would that convince you? It might, if you really need 24 for live audio capture. What's attractive about a stand-alone recorder for situations where you only need capture is less haywire. Your laptop computer with an interface and A/D converter is three boxes with a lightpipe connection (two if you want to run at 96 kHz sample rate as many do these days) plus USB or something similar to get from the computer to the interface. I know. It's not that bad. Compared to what you'll have to go through to get a split, it's two, maybe three wires total. More boxes to fall off the table and more connections to come loose. So rack it, at least the two 1/2 RU boxes. Might Velcro the laptop to the rack while you're at it. That may not be a big deal when you're setting up essentially a control room at a remote location - you have a certain amount of control over where you can put things and who wanders by a little tipsy and jostles your stack of gear. You could do a little damage control by racking up the interface and converters so you only need to connect the analog inputs (you'd have to do that with the stand-alone recorder anyway), Yup. and have just one cable going to the laptop computer. And while you have a built-in UPS for the computer, you don't for the interfacing hardware. UPS-ii are pretty easy these days. The TASCAM X-48 is probably the most advanced of the dedicated multitrack recorders. It has a mixer built in so you can set up a monitor mix and solo channels with only a little more clumsiness than if you had a console on the gig. I hadn't seen the X-48 before - that seems quite a good choice. I'm thinking many of the PreSonus boxes offer even more than that. If you can trust them. -- Les Cargill |
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On 7/27/2016 6:49 PM, Les Cargill wrote:
I hadn't seen the X-48 before - that seems quite a good choice. I'm thinking many of the PreSonus boxes offer even more than that. If you can trust them. Are you thinking about a PreSonus mixer? Or one of their multi-channel interface boxes? The mixer can be both your mixer and your interface to the computer. Just one cable between the mixer and the computer is all you need. But if there's PA involved, either you'll need to get a split from the PA mixer anyway, or convince whoever is providing the PA, if it's not you, to use your mixer. Some pretty high profile artists are using those mixers for their tours when it's a show that it can handle. 32 channels isn't very expensive. But then you have shows like Rush, with 90 inputs for a three piece band. -- For a good time, call http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com |
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On 28/07/2016 8:49 AM, Les Cargill wrote:
Mike Rivers wrote: On 7/27/2016 12:16 PM, Les Cargill wrote: (Scott Dorsey) writes: The JoeCo box is kinda there, but it's spendy and the input flexibility isn't nearly as useful as the HD24. I'm not convinced that a good laptop plus an 8 ch interface with Lightpipe and 8 channels of Lightpipe A/D isn't better, simply because it has a full display. If you needed 24 channels, or even 9 channels, would that convince you? It might, if you really need 24 for live audio capture. I have been using cascaded MOTU Ultralites with a laptop for years, recorded hundreds of concerts with only one minor mishap, which was entirely user error. Not at all convinced I could have had any less problems with a hardware setup, but I do love the greater flexibility of a computer solution. No need for lightpipe though, didn't that pretty much go out with DAT? Even Firewire is dead now. Trevor. |
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Mike Rivers wrote:
On 7/27/2016 6:49 PM, Les Cargill wrote: I hadn't seen the X-48 before - that seems quite a good choice. I'm thinking many of the PreSonus boxes offer even more than that. If you can trust them. Are you thinking about a PreSonus mixer? Or one of their multi-channel interface boxes? I am not 100% sure. Probably the mixers. The mixer can be both your mixer and your interface to the computer. Just one cable between the mixer and the computer is all you need. But if there's PA involved, either you'll need to get a split from the PA mixer anyway, or convince whoever is providing the PA, if it's not you, to use your mixer. Some pretty high profile artists are using those mixers for their tours Yup. Although I question the reliability of those as well. I saw one in use where a "vocalist pedal" thingy would crowbar it. The "vocalist pedal" was throwing something that gave the PreSonus a reason to shut down now and again - probably supersonics or DC. You probably don't want that. I've just stopped telling people to stop using those "vocalist pedals". It's a lost cause. when it's a show that it can handle. 32 channels isn't very expensive. But then you have shows like Rush, with 90 inputs for a three piece band. So 80 for Peart and 10 for the other guys, huh? I don't think those guys are all that cost constrained. -- Les Cargill |
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Trevor wrote:
On 28/07/2016 8:49 AM, Les Cargill wrote: Mike Rivers wrote: On 7/27/2016 12:16 PM, Les Cargill wrote: (Scott Dorsey) writes: The JoeCo box is kinda there, but it's spendy and the input flexibility isn't nearly as useful as the HD24. I'm not convinced that a good laptop plus an 8 ch interface with Lightpipe and 8 channels of Lightpipe A/D isn't better, simply because it has a full display. If you needed 24 channels, or even 9 channels, would that convince you? It might, if you really need 24 for live audio capture. I have been using cascaded MOTU Ultralites with a laptop for years, recorded hundreds of concerts with only one minor mishap, which was entirely user error. Not at all convinced I could have had any less problems with a hardware setup, I'd agree - once you got all the systems engineering done. I've used an Acer Aspire One with a Focusrite cheapo plus a Behringer ADA8000 a dozen or so times; never lost a single bit. but I do love the greater flexibility of a computer solution. No need for lightpipe though, didn't that pretty much go out with DAT? Even Firewire is dead now. Lots of prosumer stuff still uses Lightpipe to get 16 tracks outta one USB 2.0 spigot in a 1/2 RU box plus 8 more in another 1/2 RU box. It's alive and well. Trevor. -- Les Cargill |
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