[Benj]

St. John Smythe wrote:

Still trying to figure out how to implement a one-time pad for music.

Wrong idea!
What you want to implement is the one-play CD! That's even better than
the current DVD's that lock all controls on your player forcing you to
view a bunch of ads and crap! What would be more profitable than a CD
player system that over-writes that disk as you play it. Well all of it
that is, except the "subscription form" at the end you use to order
additional copies if by chance you wish to hear it again.

Benj

[Benj]

Joseph Ashwood wrote:
wrote in message
. ..

I think the first step is to realize the consumption style of music goes
through fads, they just tend to be longer than most people think of fads. I
believe the replacement to the CD will requi
1 Dynamic playtime (5 minutes to 3 hours should suffice)
2 Seperation of Sub-woofer track
3 Ability to contain video as well (in music we really are heading this
way, more music is sold because of the video on MTV than because of the
radio)
4 Easily copiable
5 Cheap

2-5 will be the selling points for the users, and 1 will be a convenience
point. As for the DRM, which will unfortunately be necessary to meet the
desires of the rights holders.
6 Transfer between devices, only 1 device can use it at a time
7 Extremely difficult to make a high-fidelity recording
8 CHEAP!!!!!!!!
9 Remote disable

Other useful features:
10 Ability to collect information about what is played back in which
situations
11 Profiling of users to enable finer grained marketing

Sort of the right idea but you aren't quite there...

First off, people are used to thinking they "buy" a recording so hence
they "own" something. Not so. The money is not for any ownership of
"music" but rather for a "license" to be able to play the files.
Obviously all legal terms of the given licence will apply such as
number of plays allowed, playing on only one device at a time, copies
of the files even for backup being prohibited, sale or transfer of the
license forbidden to other persons, plus other as yet to be determined
provisons such as taking control of player so as to force the listening
to advertisements, legal warnings or other "important" items.

So if we say a DVD and CD are really the same thing, then we have to
look to the next stage. I think Bill's vision fits here. Music will not
come from "manufacturers" any more, but from utilities. Instead of
'buying" a CD or other media, there will be "public" utilites which get
a nominal payment of maybe $75 up to a couple of hundred bux a month so
that you gain access to a given "music server". The server would give
access to the level of the service fee that you have paid for. The more
you pay per month, the more files you can access. The utility server
would include complete access to your computer as well as your personal
government tracking information through your citizen ID number. This
way the server spyware would be aware how many copies of any given
music file you have on your machine at any given time and whether or
not you have transferred any of these files to another machine without
then deleting all copies from the first machine. Any copies on multiple
machines detected by the server would then trigger multiple billing of
your monthly music server fee. The customer tracking feature through
your Citizen ID number and your credit/debit purchases would also
provide the utility with excellent records of ALL your recent
purchases, what they were, who you made them from, what time you made
them, the location of the purchase, which would then be carefully
sorted for music-related marketing information. You know like what kind
of sex you are into or what medicines you are taking. In other words,
it will pretty much use an advanced computerized version of the present
Kroger barcode customer tracking scheme. Eventually it is to be hoped
that patrons will for the most part opt for radio-tracking implants
which can be sensed automatically by all servers, players, file systems
or other aspect of the music utility so as to provide positive customer
ID verification and prevent unauthorized use, playbacks, file transfers
or other felony abuse of the music server public utility that might be
attempted through identity theft or other teenage mischief. The best
aspect of this system is that your music utility bill will be
automatically withdrawn from your bank account every month with your
electric, phone, internet, and gas bill so you won't even have to worry
about how much it all costs!

Oh yeah. Sound fidelity or other sound or music-related quality
standards are a non-issue. I think 8 track and cassette tapes
established the validity of this assumption.

I think that's a pretty good estimate of the future of music media.

PS. Now that I think of it, an anti-piracy feature which allows the
music server to automatically delete any unauthorized or unapproved
file it finds on your system would be a nice refinement. This would not
only include pirated music files and unauthorized extra copies, but
would also extend to illegal or unauthorized copy, player, or transfer
software as well.

[Scott Dorsey]

fathom wrote:

This is completely bogus. The telcos got $200 BILLION in
grants, incentives, and tax breaks to build out their networks.
In exchange for this, they promised that by 2006, virtually
every home in America would be wired with fibre-to-the-curb
offering cheap 45 Mbps connections. Instead we got nothing -
cable and DSL. I had a faster cable internet service in 1995
and it was cheaper.

In the years since 1995, we got touch tone service and direct dial
long distance, and as of about six months ago we even have DSL in
the area. I can pick up the phone and instantly hear a dial tone now,
and most of the calls that I make actually get through.

That's a big step up in a short period of time, especially in GTE land.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Dr. Dolittle]

fathom wrote:

This is completely bogus. The telcos got $200 BILLION in
grants, incentives, and tax breaks to build out their networks.

Huh? Who got $200 billion in grants?

[Richard Crowley]

"Scott Dorsey" wrote ...
fathom wrote:

This is completely bogus. The telcos got $200 BILLION in
grants, incentives, and tax breaks to build out their networks.
In exchange for this, they promised that by 2006, virtually
every home in America would be wired with fibre-to-the-curb
offering cheap 45 Mbps connections. Instead we got nothing -
cable and DSL. I had a faster cable internet service in 1995
and it was cheaper.

In the years since 1995, we got touch tone service and direct dial
long distance, and as of about six months ago we even have DSL in
the area. I can pick up the phone and instantly hear a dial tone now,
and most of the calls that I make actually get through.

That's a big step up in a short period of time, especially in GTE
land.

Be glad that you didn't have the *first* direct-dial
exchange in GTE-land. Ours (Redlands, CA) was
implemented in Strowger switches and after dialing,
you could hear relays clicking for sometimes several
minutes before your call was dropped.

Before I managed to escape from GTE, nobody bothered
direct-dialing long distance (even from their fake Touch-
Tone phones). They just dialed 0. After a while even the
operators gave up reminding people that they could dial
long-distance direct.

Verizon have pulled and spliced fiber into the ducts they
bored under the sidewalks in our neighborhood last month.
But they are still dark.

[Jenn]

In article ,
"Richard Crowley" wrote:

"Scott Dorsey" wrote ...
fathom wrote:

This is completely bogus. The telcos got $200 BILLION in
grants, incentives, and tax breaks to build out their networks.
In exchange for this, they promised that by 2006, virtually
every home in America would be wired with fibre-to-the-curb
offering cheap 45 Mbps connections. Instead we got nothing -
cable and DSL. I had a faster cable internet service in 1995
and it was cheaper.

In the years since 1995, we got touch tone service and direct dial
long distance, and as of about six months ago we even have DSL in
the area. I can pick up the phone and instantly hear a dial tone now,
and most of the calls that I make actually get through.

That's a big step up in a short period of time, especially in GTE
land.

Be glad that you didn't have the *first* direct-dial
exchange in GTE-land. Ours (Redlands, CA) was
implemented in Strowger switches and after dialing,
you could hear relays clicking for sometimes several
minutes before your call was dropped.

Oh God, I remember that in Redlands! I was there when it happened,
teaching in Palm Springs and finishing my Masters degree at U of R.
TERRIBLE phone service!

[Joseph Ashwood]

"Benj" wrote in message
ups.com...
[a lot of things]

I think you missed one key point though, the end users have the final say in
what they will buy. The CD is a clear quality improvement form the consumer
perspective over LPs, and MP3s are a clear quantitative improvement over
CDs. The next step will actually require offering the consumers some reason
to make the shift. At $15 each CDs are within the common reach of the common
person, and you can see the pricing difference if you happen to visit China
where CDs are widely available for 1 Yuan (about $0.13), again making it
within the reach of a common man. Contrast this with the subscription model
you proposed ($75+ per month) and the apparent hit to the pocket for the
average man seems out of reach. That is part of why the iTunes model is
working, even though it is more expensive, at $1 each it appears within
reach of the common man. This is also the hurdle services like Urge have to
overcome, by charging $10/month they immediately put themselves in a bad
position versus say Napster at $6/month, as a result you will see that Urge
has almost no subscribers. At the other extreme is the model of places like
Caffeinated Music which is based on an impulse buy model so that while the
future user is still entranced by the concert a simple buy can be made for
an impulse buy amount. In time we'll see which method works best, but with
all the competition I don't expect ITMS to retain it's 80+% market share.
Joe

[AZ Nomad]

On Mon, 24 Jul 2006 16:15:20 -0400, Stuart Krivis wrote:


On 13 Jul 2006 18:44:12 GMT, wrote:

In rec.audio.misc Jan Holm wrote:
wrote
A replacement technology should solve all these problems, while preserving
the good features of the CD, notably:

Cant remember where but I read an interview with Mr Gates
stating that Blue Ray / HD DVD will be the last physical format.
From then on youll be streaming from your own server or a central
server via cable or air.

640K is all anyone will ever need...


Nobody has ever been able to show that he actually said this... (I'm
no fan of Gates or MS, but this one's just an urban legend AFAICT.)

True; he never said that. The 640K number is actually from a limit in the
original PC architecture. The 8088 processor had a 1 meg address space and
I/O buffers were addressed at the 640K point. Memory couldn't extend past
that.

A better quote is "I believe OS/2 is destined to be the most important
operation system, and possible program, of all time." B. Gates, 11/87

[AZ Nomad]

On Mon, 24 Jul 2006 16:39:09 -0400, Stuart Krivis wrote:


On Fri, 14 Jul 2006 08:51:14 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:



Something about the geographic exclusive franchises that have been granted,
or exist because of the lame technology (e.g., DSL).


What's wrong with ADSL? Have you got a better way of providing analog
voice and digital data over existing pairs of copper?

It's the use of the existing pairs of copper that's lame.

It's been long time that the lines should have been pulled down and replaced
with something from the latter twentieth century.

Fiber to the home might be too much to ask, but fiber to the street corner and
broadband to the home is the next step.

[Arny Krueger]

"AZ Nomad" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 24 Jul 2006 16:39:09 -0400, Stuart Krivis
wrote:


On Fri, 14 Jul 2006 08:51:14 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:



Something about the geographic exclusive franchises that have been
granted,
or exist because of the lame technology (e.g., DSL).

What's wrong with ADSL?

Slow!

Have you got a better way of providing analog
voice and digital data over existing pairs of copper?

No, but I personally enjoy the benefits of more modern technology, namely
fiber to the block corner, coax into my house, and CAT-5 inside the house.
BTW, that is itself pretty old-tech.

My house has about 8 locations with fiber going back to a central location,
all connected to nothing. So, I'm ready!


It's the use of the existing pairs of copper that's lame.

Agreed.

It has been long time that the lines should have been pulled down and
replaced
with something from the latter twentieth century.

Agreed. The telcos were afraid to upgrade their neighborhood infrastructure
in the 90s because deregulation meant that they would have to resell it to
their competion.

Fiber to the home might be too much to ask,

Sooner or later its going to come.

but fiber to the street corner and
broadband to the home is the next step.

Been there, done that. ;-)

[[email protected]]

For now I am planning on switching to DVD Audio and/or vinyl records.
I'm tired of CD's and MP3's. I can hear better sound & I want better
sound than these stupid things deliver. CD & MP3 are the Domino's Pizza
of music. In the future I would like very high bandwidth music on
either Blue Ray or holographic disks (300gb+). I'd like something far
beyond 24bit/192khz.

[David Morgan \(MAMS\)]

wrote in message...

I'd like something far beyond 24bit/192khz.

Like a 20" penis ??

[alex]

ha scritto:
For now I am planning on switching to DVD Audio and/or vinyl records.
I'm tired of CD's and MP3's. I can hear better sound & I want better
sound than these stupid things deliver. CD & MP3 are the Domino's Pizza
of music. In the future I would like very high bandwidth music on
either Blue Ray or holographic disks (300gb+). I'd like something far
beyond 24bit/192khz.

what will replace the cd?
Mmmh, i suppose an even worse recorded and mastered CD!

OK CD is not a great deal, but his poor quality is still rarely achieved
by most recordings made today.
Put the right questions:

When people will stop buyn' music hypercompressed to sound louder?
-I suppose NEVER!

Are the CD meeting the quality standards required by the music biz of
today?
-I'm sure YES!

ps. what's the clue between vinyl and 192x24?

alex

[Geoff]

wrote:
For now I am planning on switching to DVD Audio and/or vinyl records.
I'm tired of CD's and MP3's. I can hear better sound & I want better
sound than these stupid things deliver. CD & MP3 are the Domino's
Pizza of music. In the future I would like very high bandwidth music
on either Blue Ray or holographic disks (300gb+). I'd like something
far beyond 24bit/192khz.

CD v. MP3 is like chalk and cheese. How come you are lumping those
together.

And what sort of music and ears are you going to use to take advantage of
all the extra bandwidth you are expecting ?

32bit/1GHz, 1TB . I can use even bigger specs, so I must have a HUGE dick.

geoff

[Citizen Ted]

On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 10:33:26 -0700, wrote:

There have been a number of articles recently discussing the death of the
CD, and wondering what might replace it commercially. Some of the
possibilities discussed are flash memory, downloading a la iPod, or even
sending info directly to the brain. Let's ignore this latter, since it's
not presently possible, and attempt to answer the question of what might
actually take the place of CDs. A successful replacement will have to have
all the features of a CD, but solve a few of the CD's drawbacks.

Had a recent discussion with a friend about this. This was the
pie-in-the-sky conclusion: global wireless on-demand technology.

It will involve the next generation (or two) of satellite transciever
technologies, but we will eventually have a global blanket of fat
bandwidth. Your cell phone will act as your universal remote control,
as well as your phone. You pre-pay for your content, which is held in
servers. Let's say, for instance, that you're a big Beatles fan and
you also love Star Wars movies. In the morning, your alarm clock fires
up and makes a request on the network and you are woken by "Here Comes
the Sun (Doon-Oon-Doo-Doo)". You shut off the alarm.

After you S, S & S, you pack lunch and hop in the car. On the way to
work, you punch in a few commands on your cell phone and your car
stereo makes a request on the wireless network to play a 24-bit 96K
stream of "Lovely Rita, Meter Maid", much to the consternation of your
car pool pals. Your car radio really has no media or brains. It's
just a dumb terminal of sorts that accepts encrypted code from your
cell phone, makes a wireless request, then streams the data from the
sky. (Come to think of it, let's call it "SkyNet". Hee hee!). Your
radio has a very nice D/A and clean amps to drive your phat speakers.
The sound is fantastic.

At work, you point your cell phone at your computer. It makes a
request to SkyNet with your login. Your OS, apps and files are all
kept at a datacenter. Nonetheless, you boot up in seconds and have a
transparent computer experience as you nudge tables in Excel
v.999999.0.21. Because you are a sneaky *******, you have hooked up a
nice D/A to your computer and bang your head to "Helter Skelter" on
headphones, so as not to irritate your boss.

You drive back home, and upon arrival you point your cell phone at
your stereo system. You can now enjoy "Revolver" for the umpteen
millionth time, streamed wirelessly at 24-bit 96K into a big-ass power
amp and some brain-shattering speakers. OK, you're sick of "Revolver".
You point your cell phone at your home PC, then login into your music
provider. For a few bucks, you add a Robert Johnson record to your
database. One click of the cell phone and it's streaming into your
system. It's yours to keep - everywhere you go. You just need to be
within Bluetooth distance of any private or public streaming D/A
device.

After a few foot-tappin' blues tunes from the master, you point your
remote at your 100-inch SED flat panel and request "Star Wars XVII:
Return of the Attack of the Sith Again". You can now eat some pesto
cheese tortellini and watch that stupid movie. Again.

Sound good?

I think this will be the future. DRM and media/copyright/piracy
problems will be overcome by ubiquitous access to prepaid media.
Microsoft is blue-skying this stuff, and content is already evolving
from CD to bloody iTunes. If we had a truly global ultra-wide
bandwidth SkyNet, all the silliness that currently confronts us will
seem quaint.

As long as access to the SkyNet remains affordable (or even free!),
even the poor will be able to access all the media they like, on
demand. You won't have to pay for TV channels you hate. No more DRM
crap. When you buy a bit of content, it's yours. You just don't have
the media in your physical possession. And who cares, anyway? I sure
don't like fumbling for CD's or driving into town to rent a DVD.

If you think this idea sounds right-on, let me know. All I need is a
few mil to get this start-up off the ground.

- TR
- your eventual media overlord. :0)

[Mark D. Zacharias]

wrote:
For now I am planning on switching to DVD Audio and/or vinyl records.
I'm tired of CD's and MP3's. I can hear better sound & I want better
sound than these stupid things deliver. CD & MP3 are the Domino's
Pizza of music. In the future I would like very high bandwidth music
on either Blue Ray or holographic disks (300gb+). I'd like something
far beyond 24bit/192khz.

Wish MY ears were good enough to tell the difference in a properly designed
double-blind A/B comparison between 16/44 and 24/96.

Mark Z.

[George M. Middius]

Mark duh-duh-duh Borgarias whined:

Wish MY ears were good enough to tell the difference in a properly designed
double-blind A/B comparison between 16/44 and 24/96.

The solution to your dissatisfaction with your organic hearing apparatus
has been explained to you many times, 'borg. Just put in a request to have
Dr. Kroomacher replace them with Hive-approved aural prostheses. Once
you've made this small step -- and it's small because you've already had
your free-will gland excised and your language and logic centers filled
with nanites -- your hearing acuity will equal that of most dogs. No more
sleepless nights fretting about the disconnect between what humans talk
about and what you experience during the aBxism blinding rituals. You'll
be free, 'borg! Go for it!




--
A day without Krooger is like a day without radiation poisoning.

[George M. Middius]

Geoff said:

CD v. MP3 is like chalk and cheese.

Can you say chèvre?




--
A day without Krooger is like a day without radiation poisoning.

"Citizen Ted" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 10:33:26 -0700, wrote:

There have been a number of articles recently discussing the death of the
CD, and wondering what might replace it commercially. Some of the
possibilities discussed are flash memory, downloading a la iPod, or even
sending info directly to the brain. Let's ignore this latter, since it's
not presently possible, and attempt to answer the question of what might
actually take the place of CDs. A successful replacement will have to
have
all the features of a CD, but solve a few of the CD's drawbacks.

Had a recent discussion with a friend about this. This was the
pie-in-the-sky conclusion: global wireless on-demand technology.

It will involve the next generation (or two) of satellite transciever
technologies, but we will eventually have a global blanket of fat
bandwidth. Your cell phone will act as your universal remote control,
as well as your phone. You pre-pay for your content, which is held in
servers. Let's say, for instance, that you're a big Beatles fan and
you also love Star Wars movies. In the morning, your alarm clock fires
up and makes a request on the network and you are woken by "Here Comes
the Sun (Doon-Oon-Doo-Doo)". You shut off the alarm.

There's a lot to be said for this idea. The cell phone idea is good, as is
the on-demand distribution model. It's the pricing that interests me.

First, music will have to be distributed the same way iTunes distributes it.
Once you receive it, it's yours forever. When the customer establishes a
connection to the satellite, the download speed and compression are known
and the time required to send x minutes of music at that rate will determine
the price. The satellite downloads your request at the highest possible
speed, and it's stored in the cell phone memory. The charge is deleted
from your account. You can transfer the downloaded music to some other
device or to your computer. There would have to be some limit to the number
of times the music can be transferred and to what devices, but this can be
worked out ahead of time. The beauty of it is that the price can be
instantly transmitted to your cell phone before you authorize the download.

Naturally, those who want their music at 24bit/96kHz will pay appreciably
more because they hog bandwidth. If 64kb/s is sufficient, the price will be
much lower since it requires only 1/70th the bandwidth.

Norm Strong

[ScottW]

wrote:
"Citizen Ted" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 10:33:26 -0700, wrote:

There have been a number of articles recently discussing the death of the
CD, and wondering what might replace it commercially. Some of the
possibilities discussed are flash memory, downloading a la iPod, or even
sending info directly to the brain. Let's ignore this latter, since it's
not presently possible, and attempt to answer the question of what might
actually take the place of CDs. A successful replacement will have to
have
all the features of a CD, but solve a few of the CD's drawbacks.

Had a recent discussion with a friend about this. This was the
pie-in-the-sky conclusion: global wireless on-demand technology.

It will involve the next generation (or two) of satellite transciever
technologies, but we will eventually have a global blanket of fat
bandwidth. Your cell phone will act as your universal remote control,
as well as your phone. You pre-pay for your content, which is held in
servers. Let's say, for instance, that you're a big Beatles fan and
you also love Star Wars movies. In the morning, your alarm clock fires
up and makes a request on the network and you are woken by "Here Comes
the Sun (Doon-Oon-Doo-Doo)". You shut off the alarm.

There's a lot to be said for this idea. The cell phone idea is good, as is
the on-demand distribution model. It's the pricing that interests me.

First, music will have to be distributed the same way iTunes distributes it.
Once you receive it, it's yours forever. When the customer establishes a
connection to the satellite, the download speed and compression are known
and the time required to send x minutes of music at that rate will determine
the price. The satellite downloads your request at the highest possible
speed, and it's stored in the cell phone memory. The charge is deleted
from your account. You can transfer the downloaded music to some other
device or to your computer. There would have to be some limit to the number
of times the music can be transferred and to what devices, but this can be
worked out ahead of time. The beauty of it is that the price can be
instantly transmitted to your cell phone before you authorize the download.

Naturally, those who want their music at 24bit/96kHz will pay appreciably
more because they hog bandwidth. If 64kb/s is sufficient, the price will be
much lower since it requires only 1/70th the bandwidth.

I don't think this system will ever be satellite based for other than
broadcast data (XM etc).
First... voice service still remains king revenue generator and primary
consumer demand for all wireless networks. You simply won't be able
to justify a bidirectional data network without voice capability.
That means geo synch high orbit sateliites are out due to latency...
LEO satellites are required. The last 2 LEO networks launched both
went bankrupt and were sold for pennies on the dollar...Irridium and
Globalstar. No one is going to ever fork up the billions required for
LEO sat networks again.
Another big issue....terrestrial networks are covering the planet at a
rapida rate...there simply isn't enough pops out there without cellular
coverage of one form or another to make a case for more expensive
service.
You may get the wireless model you're talking about with next
generation WiFi or WiMax (802.16). Unfortunately standards take time
and money to develop and then its even longer for deployment.. right
now the uptake for high speed wireless in US (Verizons EV-Do) isn't all
that compelling for networks of the BW you discuss to be deployed.

I think this business paradigm will have to come from the providers
over wire networks to show they work...then perhaps wireless will pick
up.

ScottW

[Citizen Ted]

On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 11:10:40 -0700, wrote:


"Citizen Ted" wrote in message

It will involve the next generation (or two) of satellite transciever
technologies, but we will eventually have a global blanket of fat
bandwidth. Your cell phone will act as your universal remote control,
as well as your phone. You pre-pay for your content, which is held in
servers. Let's say, for instance, that you're a big Beatles fan and
you also love Star Wars movies. In the morning, your alarm clock fires
up and makes a request on the network and you are woken by "Here Comes
the Sun (Doon-Oon-Doo-Doo)". You shut off the alarm.

There's a lot to be said for this idea. The cell phone idea is good, as is
the on-demand distribution model. It's the pricing that interests me.

First, music will have to be distributed the same way iTunes distributes it.
Once you receive it, it's yours forever. When the customer establishes a
connection to the satellite, the download speed and compression are known
and the time required to send x minutes of music at that rate will determine
the price. The satellite downloads your request at the highest possible
speed, and it's stored in the cell phone memory. The charge is deleted
from your account. You can transfer the downloaded music to some other
device or to your computer. There would have to be some limit to the number
of times the music can be transferred and to what devices, but this can be
worked out ahead of time. The beauty of it is that the price can be
instantly transmitted to your cell phone before you authorize the download.

Naturally, those who want their music at 24bit/96kHz will pay appreciably
more because they hog bandwidth. If 64kb/s is sufficient, the price will be
much lower since it requires only 1/70th the bandwidth.

Hi Norm;

Actually, my idea is that you never actually have any of your data at
all. Let's say I want to buy the song "Love My Way" by the Psychedelic
Furs. I use my cell phone to authorize my computer to connect to
Skynet. Skynet has access to my OS, apps and files, as well as the
Internet. I go to iTunes and buy "Love My Way" for $.99. Once I've
paid for it, I don't actually receive any data at all. The system
simply allows me access that file from a database. It has been
"unlocked" for me.

I want to listen to "Love My Way", so I activate my home stereo with
my cell phone. The cell phone sends a code to my stereo system. My
stereo hears the code and it is my stereo system that says to SkyNet,
"Stream file lovemyway.wav from database tedsmusic.db to this stereo
system NOW."

The song plays.

In my pie-in-the-sky technological breakthrough concept, the file is
steamed into my stereo, and is decoded as 24-bit 96K audio. I admit
this is fat bandwidth, but it was only 10 years ago I was cruising the
Net at 28.8Kb. Now I'm at about 5Mb. At work, I'm at 100Mb.

At any rate, I never really have the file at all. My stereo is a dumb
terminal with access to SkyNet. When I listen to files, they're being
streamed into whatever device I'm authorized to use. It may be my car
stereo or alarm clock. If I'm out and about, I can walk up to any
authorized A/V kiosk and check my email, listen to music or watch
video. My cell phone is more like a pass card. It tells a dumb
terminal (stereo, TV display, computer) "This is Ted. He's authorized
for A, B, C, D and E. Right now, he wants D. Play it."

In this system, ownership is a matter of mere authorization. There
will no need for giant hard drives or squabbles over copyright. It
will be media on demand.

I admit that our current global system cannot handle the bandwidth.
But HD (and its subsequent incarnations) will likely push the
envelope. It may be a mix of terrestrial and satellite systems, or it
may be satellite only. And we may end up edging so high into the
frequency spectrum that new techniques will be required to encode
intelligence. Wanna hear something really insane? I'm thinking we may
one day be able to modulate neutrinos. That would solve the bandwidth
and penetration problems quite nicely!

If there's a downside to this, it's the potential for lockout of
"undesirable" content. Powerful forces could potentially control the
availability of content. One look at the recent "Net Neutrality" flap
makes this clear. It's kind of like the arguments for and against a
cashless society.

Anyway, that's my prediction, and I'm stickin' to it.

Criticisms welcomed. If they're really good, I'll amend my ideas and
cut you in on the profits when I'm Lord and Master of SkyNet.

- TR

[David Morgan \(MAMS\)]

"Citizen Ted" wrote in message

I use my cell phone to authorize my computer to connect to
Skynet.

I want to listen to "Love My Way", so I activate my home stereo with
my cell phone.

The cell phone sends a code to my stereo system.

If there's a downside to this, it's the potential for lockout of
"undesirable" content.


If there's a 'down' side to this, it's that the first big EMP from a
nuke and everyone who's playing the 'cellular' game in that
region is instantly cut off from everything.

DM

[Jeff Findley]

"Citizen Ted" wrote in message
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Actually, my idea is that you never actually have any of your data at
all. Let's say I want to buy the song "Love My Way" by the Psychedelic
Furs. I use my cell phone to authorize my computer to connect to
Skynet. Skynet has access to my OS, apps and files, as well as the
Internet. I go to iTunes and buy "Love My Way" for $.99. Once I've
paid for it, I don't actually receive any data at all. The system
simply allows me access that file from a database. It has been
"unlocked" for me.

I want to listen to "Love My Way", so I activate my home stereo with
my cell phone. The cell phone sends a code to my stereo system. My
stereo hears the code and it is my stereo system that says to SkyNet,
"Stream file lovemyway.wav from database tedsmusic.db to this stereo
system NOW."

The song plays.

In my pie-in-the-sky technological breakthrough concept, the file is
steamed into my stereo, and is decoded as 24-bit 96K audio. I admit
this is fat bandwidth, but it was only 10 years ago I was cruising the
Net at 28.8Kb. Now I'm at about 5Mb. At work, I'm at 100Mb.

I see two problems with this concept. One is that the music industry wants
you to pay every single time you listen to the song. Even if it's only
$0.05 per song, they'll make more money in the long run that way.

The second problem is bandwidth. We all used to think that Internet
bandwidth would just keep growing. The big players in the Internet don't
want that anymore. They've been lobbying for changes in the laws to allow a
two tiered approach where sites that pay more money, get more bandwidth
thruoghout the entire Internet. This means that only the big record
companies will be able to stream audio and video at high speeds reliably.
So that means everyone will have to play by their rules. See first
objection.

Where does this place the consumer? It means if they don't continue to buy
CD's (or some other form of media where the music is actually on their PC or
mobile device), that they may get stuck with empty promises from the music
industry and no access to audio they thought they "bought" and would have
forever.

Remember Divx? It was competing with the DVD format, but with one
difference. You had to "rent" the disc you had on your shelf every time you
watched it. They had an option to "buy" the disc as well, so you could
watch it an unlimited number of times. The format not only died, but left
anyone who bought players and discs in a really bad spot.

Jeff
--
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a
little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor
safety"
- B. Franklin, Bartlett's Familiar Quotations (1919)

[Bill]

I was recording some vinyl albums the other day.

I've heard discussions of the issue on and off over the years.
Obviously, there is more noise and static, and some tracks are less
clear than others, but there is something in the vinyl recording--
subtleties, nuance, overtones-- whatever-- that aint on the CD.

wrote:
For now I am planning on switching to DVD Audio and/or vinyl records.
I'm tired of CD's and MP3's. I can hear better sound & I want better
sound than these stupid things deliver. CD & MP3 are the Domino's Pizza
of music. In the future I would like very high bandwidth music on
either Blue Ray or holographic disks (300gb+). I'd like something far
beyond 24bit/192khz.

[Arny Krueger]

wrote in message
oups.com...

For now I am planning on switching to DVD Audio and/or vinyl records.

Good, maybe that will help make them more affordable for the rest of us.

I'm tired of CD's and MP3's.

Says something about your choice of CDs and MP3s.

I can hear better sound & I want better
sound than these stupid things deliver.

Go to live performances much?

CD & MP3 are the Domino's Pizza of music.

Reasonably nutritious and reasonably priced. No snob appeal.

In the future I would like very high bandwidth music on
either Blue Ray or holographic disks (300gb+). I'd like something far
beyond 24bit/192khz.

IOW, numbers for the sake of numbers.

[Jenn]

In article ,
"Arny Krueger" wrote:

wrote in message
oups.com...

For now I am planning on switching to DVD Audio and/or vinyl records.

Good, maybe that will help make them more affordable for the rest of us.

I'm tired of CD's and MP3's.

Says something about your choice of CDs and MP3s.

I can hear better sound & I want better
sound than these stupid things deliver.

Go to live performances much?

CD & MP3 are the Domino's Pizza of music.

Reasonably nutritious and reasonably priced. No snob appeal.

And tastes like cardboard.


In the future I would like very high bandwidth music on
either Blue Ray or holographic disks (300gb+). I'd like something far
beyond 24bit/192khz.

IOW, numbers for the sake of numbers.

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[Arny Krueger]

"Jenn" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Arny Krueger" wrote:

wrote in message
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For now I am planning on switching to DVD Audio and/or vinyl records.

Good, maybe that will help make them more affordable for the rest of us.

I'm tired of CD's and MP3's.

Says something about your choice of CDs and MP3s.

I can hear better sound & I want better
sound than these stupid things deliver.

Go to live performances much?

CD & MP3 are the Domino's Pizza of music.

Reasonably nutritious and reasonably priced. No snob appeal.

And tastes like cardboard.

Since I don't eat cardboard, I can neither confirm nor deny your claim,
Jenn. I'll take your word for it as you seem to be a self-proclaimed expert
and well-practiced eater of cardboard. Which brands of cardboard taste most
like Domino's, or does all cardboard taste the same?

[Michael Wozniak]

"Citizen Ted" wrote in message
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On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 11:10:40 -0700, wrote:


"Citizen Ted" wrote in message

It will involve the next generation (or two) of satellite transciever
technologies, but we will eventually have a global blanket of fat
bandwidth. Your cell phone will act as your universal remote control,
as well as your phone. You pre-pay for your content, which is held in
servers. Let's say, for instance, that you're a big Beatles fan and
you also love Star Wars movies. In the morning, your alarm clock fires
up and makes a request on the network and you are woken by "Here Comes
the Sun (Doon-Oon-Doo-Doo)". You shut off the alarm.

There's a lot to be said for this idea. The cell phone idea is good, as
is
the on-demand distribution model. It's the pricing that interests me.

First, music will have to be distributed the same way iTunes distributes
it.
Once you receive it, it's yours forever. When the customer establishes a
connection to the satellite, the download speed and compression are known
and the time required to send x minutes of music at that rate will
determine
the price. The satellite downloads your request at the highest possible
speed, and it's stored in the cell phone memory. The charge is deleted
from your account. You can transfer the downloaded music to some other
device or to your computer. There would have to be some limit to the
number
of times the music can be transferred and to what devices, but this can be
worked out ahead of time. The beauty of it is that the price can be
instantly transmitted to your cell phone before you authorize the
download.

Naturally, those who want their music at 24bit/96kHz will pay appreciably
more because they hog bandwidth. If 64kb/s is sufficient, the price will
be
much lower since it requires only 1/70th the bandwidth.

Hi Norm;

Actually, my idea is that you never actually have any of your data at
all. Let's say I want to buy the song "Love My Way" by the Psychedelic
Furs. I use my cell phone to authorize my computer to connect to
Skynet. Skynet has access to my OS, apps and files, as well as the
Internet. I go to iTunes and buy "Love My Way" for $.99. Once I've
paid for it, I don't actually receive any data at all. The system
simply allows me access that file from a database. It has been
"unlocked" for me.

I want to listen to "Love My Way", so I activate my home stereo with
my cell phone. The cell phone sends a code to my stereo system. My
stereo hears the code and it is my stereo system that says to SkyNet,
"Stream file lovemyway.wav from database tedsmusic.db to this stereo
system NOW."

The song plays.

In my pie-in-the-sky technological breakthrough concept, the file is
steamed into my stereo, and is decoded as 24-bit 96K audio. I admit
this is fat bandwidth, but it was only 10 years ago I was cruising the
Net at 28.8Kb. Now I'm at about 5Mb. At work, I'm at 100Mb.

At any rate, I never really have the file at all. My stereo is a dumb
terminal with access to SkyNet. When I listen to files, they're being
streamed into whatever device I'm authorized to use. It may be my car
stereo or alarm clock. If I'm out and about, I can walk up to any
authorized A/V kiosk and check my email, listen to music or watch
video. My cell phone is more like a pass card. It tells a dumb
terminal (stereo, TV display, computer) "This is Ted. He's authorized
for A, B, C, D and E. Right now, he wants D. Play it."

In this system, ownership is a matter of mere authorization. There
will no need for giant hard drives or squabbles over copyright. It
will be media on demand.

I admit that our current global system cannot handle the bandwidth.
But HD (and its subsequent incarnations) will likely push the
envelope. It may be a mix of terrestrial and satellite systems, or it
may be satellite only. And we may end up edging so high into the
frequency spectrum that new techniques will be required to encode
intelligence. Wanna hear something really insane? I'm thinking we may
one day be able to modulate neutrinos. That would solve the bandwidth
and penetration problems quite nicely!

If there's a downside to this, it's the potential for lockout of
"undesirable" content. Powerful forces could potentially control the
availability of content. One look at the recent "Net Neutrality" flap
makes this clear. It's kind of like the arguments for and against a
cashless society.

Anyway, that's my prediction, and I'm stickin' to it.

Criticisms welcomed. If they're really good, I'll amend my ideas and
cut you in on the profits when I'm Lord and Master of SkyNet.

- TR

One problem I see is the fact that in your model, you have to d/l everytime
you want to use the file, which means many d/ls, which means you use many
times more bandwidth. Why do that if you can d/l once and buy?

Mikey
Nova Music Productions

[Geoff]

Bill wrote:
I was recording some vinyl albums the other day.

I've heard discussions of the issue on and off over the years.
Obviously, there is more noise and static, and some tracks are less
clear than others, but there is something in the vinyl recording--
subtleties, nuance, overtones-- whatever-- that aint on the CD.

It's called distortion and noise.

geoff

[Arny Krueger]

"Bill" wrote in message
...
I was recording some vinyl albums the other day.

I've heard discussions of the issue on and off over the years. Obviously,
there is more noise and static, and some tracks are less clear than
others, but there is something in the vinyl recording--
subtleties, nuance, overtones-- whatever-- that aint on the CD.

It is true that CDs lack the inherent noise and distortion that is inherent
in the LP format. Why you want to deify it escapes me.

[George M. Middius]

Gather thy albums, all ye faithful followers of old-time audio. A new
sermon is ready to shatter your ice palace of dreams.

the LP format. Why you want to deify it escapes me.

And God looked down into the Hive, and lo, there was the Krooborg fishing
in the toilet again. And God spake unto Mr. ****, and He bade him clean
his mouth before posting. And the Krooborg cowered, and quaked, and...
took another bite of ****. So much for religious faith. ;-)






--
A day without Krooger is like a day without radiation poisoning.

[Jenn]

In article ,
"Arny Krueger" wrote:

"Jenn" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Arny Krueger" wrote:

wrote in message
oups.com...

For now I am planning on switching to DVD Audio and/or vinyl records.

Good, maybe that will help make them more affordable for the rest of us.

I'm tired of CD's and MP3's.

Says something about your choice of CDs and MP3s.

I can hear better sound & I want better
sound than these stupid things deliver.

Go to live performances much?

CD & MP3 are the Domino's Pizza of music.

Reasonably nutritious and reasonably priced. No snob appeal.

And tastes like cardboard.

Since I don't eat cardboard, I can neither confirm nor deny your claim,
Jenn. I'll take your word for it as you seem to be a self-proclaimed expert
and well-practiced eater of cardboard. Which brands of cardboard taste most
like Domino's, or does all cardboard taste the same?

A little critical thinking, Arny' that's all we ask.

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[Jenn]

In article ,
George M. Middius cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net
wrote:

Gather thy albums, all ye faithful followers of old-time audio. A new
sermon is ready to shatter your ice palace of dreams.

the LP format. Why you want to deify it escapes me.

And God looked down into the Hive, and lo, there was the Krooborg fishing
in the toilet again. And God spake unto Mr. ****, and He bade him clean
his mouth before posting. And the Krooborg cowered, and quaked, and...
took another bite of ****. So much for religious faith. ;-)

George, though I find your scene distasteful (no pun intended), you
mention of religion makes me think of a quote I read today. It's by
James Kennedy, one of the most prominent of today's evangelical
Christian leaders. I find it disturbing:
"Our job is to reclaim America for Christ, whatever the cost. We are to
exercise godly dominion and influence over our neighborhoods, our
schools, our government, our literature and arts, our sports arenas, our
entertainment media, our news media, our scientific endeavors -- in
short, over every aspect and institution of human society."

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[George M. Middius]

Jenn said:

And God looked down into the Hive, and lo, there was the Krooborg fishing
in the toilet again. And God spake unto Mr. ****, and He bade him clean
his mouth before posting. And the Krooborg cowered, and quaked, and...
took another bite of ****. So much for religious faith. ;-)

George, though I find your scene distasteful (no pun intended),

An opinion you get to have.™

you mention of religion makes me think of a quote I read today.

I hope you realize Arnii wants you to punish him for God.

It's by James Kennedy, one of the most prominent of today's evangelical
Christian leaders. I find it disturbing:
"Our job is to reclaim America for Christ, whatever the cost. We are to
exercise godly dominion and influence over our neighborhoods, our
schools, our government, our literature and arts, our sports arenas, our
entertainment media, our news media, our scientific endeavors -- in
short, over every aspect and institution of human society."

Yep, it's creepy. And also familiar. Hmmm....

"Our job is to reclaim Audio for the Hive, whatever the cost. We are to
exercise aBxism dominion and influence over our newsgroups, our
conclaves, our stores, our publishers and shows, our R&D facilities, our
big-box retailers, our Web sites -- in short, over every aspect and
institution of the audio industry."

I knew it! As I suspected all along, Krooger has been programmed to
assimilate consumer audio. It's too bad for him that audio consumers are
smarter than Christian zealots. ;-)





--
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[Jenn]

In article ,
George M. Middius cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net
wrote:

Jenn said:

And God looked down into the Hive, and lo, there was the Krooborg fishing
in the toilet again. And God spake unto Mr. ****, and He bade him clean
his mouth before posting. And the Krooborg cowered, and quaked, and...
took another bite of ****. So much for religious faith. ;-)

George, though I find your scene distasteful (no pun intended),

An opinion you get to have.

Of course ;-)
™

you mention of religion makes me think of a quote I read today.

I hope you realize Arnii wants you to punish him for God.

It's by James Kennedy, one of the most prominent of today's evangelical
Christian leaders. I find it disturbing:
"Our job is to reclaim America for Christ, whatever the cost. We are to
exercise godly dominion and influence over our neighborhoods, our
schools, our government, our literature and arts, our sports arenas, our
entertainment media, our news media, our scientific endeavors -- in
short, over every aspect and institution of human society."

Yep, it's creepy. And also familiar. Hmmm....

"Our job is to reclaim Audio for the Hive, whatever the cost. We are to
exercise aBxism dominion and influence over our newsgroups, our
conclaves, our stores, our publishers and shows, our R&D facilities, our
big-box retailers, our Web sites -- in short, over every aspect and
institution of the audio industry."

I knew it! As I suspected all along, Krooger has been programmed to
assimilate consumer audio. It's too bad for him that audio consumers are
smarter than Christian zealots. ;-)





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[Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!]

Jenn wrote:
In article ,
George M. Middius cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net
wrote:

Gather thy albums, all ye faithful followers of old-time audio. A new
sermon is ready to shatter your ice palace of dreams.

the LP format. Why you want to deify it escapes me.

And God looked down into the Hive, and lo, there was the Krooborg fishing
in the toilet again. And God spake unto Mr. ****, and He bade him clean
his mouth before posting. And the Krooborg cowered, and quaked, and...
took another bite of ****. So much for religious faith. ;-)

George, though I find your scene distasteful (no pun intended), you
mention of religion makes me think of a quote I read today. It's by
James Kennedy, one of the most prominent of today's evangelical
Christian leaders. I find it disturbing:
"Our job is to reclaim America for Christ, whatever the cost. We are to
exercise godly dominion and influence over our neighborhoods, our
schools, our government, our literature and arts, our sports arenas, our
entertainment media, our news media, our scientific endeavors -- in
short, over every aspect and institution of human society."

Sounds like he's declaring jihad...

[Arny Krueger]

"Jenn" wrote in message
...

a quote I read today. It's by
James Kennedy, one of the most prominent of today's evangelical
Christian leaders.

Fame and good Christian theology don't always go together.

I find it disturbing:

"Our job is to reclaim America for Christ, whatever the cost. We are to
exercise godly dominion and influence over our neighborhoods, our
schools, our government, our literature and arts, our sports arenas, our
entertainment media, our news media, our scientific endeavors -- in
short, over every aspect and institution of human society."

I''m not all that disturbed, only because I'm quite familiar with his
position over the years.

"Dominion" sounds a lot to me like lording it over people against their
will. This doesn't sound to me like:

Isaiah 1:18a

"Come now, let us reason together," says the LORD.

[Clyde Slick]

"Jenn" wrote in message
...
In article ,
George M. Middius cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net
wrote:

Gather thy albums, all ye faithful followers of old-time audio. A new
sermon is ready to shatter your ice palace of dreams.

the LP format. Why you want to deify it escapes me.

And God looked down into the Hive, and lo, there was the Krooborg fishing
in the toilet again. And God spake unto Mr. ****, and He bade him clean
his mouth before posting. And the Krooborg cowered, and quaked, and...
took another bite of ****. So much for religious faith. ;-)

George, though I find your scene distasteful (no pun intended), you
mention of religion makes me think of a quote I read today. It's by
James Kennedy, one of the most prominent of today's evangelical
Christian leaders. I find it disturbing:
"Our job is to reclaim America for Christ, whatever the cost. We are to
exercise godly dominion and influence over our neighborhoods, our
schools, our government, our literature and arts, our sports arenas, our
entertainment media, our news media, our scientific endeavors -- in
short, over every aspect and institution of human society."


Yes, as sick as the Taliban mentality



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[Clyde Slick]

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
. ..

"Jenn" wrote in message
And tastes like cardboard.

Since I don't eat cardboard,

You're too busy eating feces and corn flakes.



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[Lorin David Schultz]

Michael Wozniak wrote:

One problem I see is the fact that in your model, you have to d/l
everytime you want to use the file, which means many d/ls, which
means you use many times more bandwidth.



Kinda like quoting 99 lines of text going back three steps in the
conversation to add a three-line reply?

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