Hello All:

I'm just curious, has anyone else had any troubles with HHB CD-R
machines? I bought a CDR-830 and about half the time, the finalization
doesn't work. I'm using the HHB media, too- you write the table of
contents, it counts down two minutes, and says the disc is ready. Then,
it won't play in any other machine. A second pass at writing the TOC
always cures it; it flashes "REPAIR" on the display then finalizes. This
has happened with all different brands of media. I contacted HHB about
it, they said they'd check into it but I never heard anything back. Any
suggestions? It can be sort of dangerous, because if I'm out somewhere
with the thing, I never know if I'm handing someone a CD that won't
play!

Chris Nagorka

Chris Nagorka wrote:
Hello All:

I'm just curious, has anyone else had any troubles with
HHB CD-R
machines? I bought a CDR-830 and about half the time, the
finalization
doesn't work. I'm using the HHB media, too- you write the
table of
contents, it counts down two minutes, and says the disc is
ready.
Then, it won't play in any other machine. A second pass at
writing
the TOC always cures it; it flashes "REPAIR" on the
display then
finalizes. This has happened with all different brands of
media. I
contacted HHB about it, they said they'd check into it but
I never
heard anything back. Any suggestions? It can be sort of
dangerous,
because if I'm out somewhere with the thing, I never know
if I'm
handing someone a CD that won't play!

I have a CDR 830 thats a few months old, and have no such
problems. As far as media goes, I use the same stuff we use
on PCs. I think the current batch is Memorex from Staples.
Sounds like you have a sick puppy.

Chris Nagorka wrote:

I'm just curious, has anyone else had any troubles with HHB CD-R
machines? I bought a CDR-830 and about half the time, the finalization
doesn't work. I'm using the HHB media, too- you write the table of
contents, it counts down two minutes, and says the disc is ready. Then,
it won't play in any other machine. A second pass at writing the TOC
always cures it; it flashes "REPAIR" on the display then finalizes. This
has happened with all different brands of media. I contacted HHB about
it, they said they'd check into it but I never heard anything back. Any
suggestions? It can be sort of dangerous, because if I'm out somewhere
with the thing, I never know if I'm handing someone a CD that won't
play!

I have used a bunch of the HHB machines and never had a problem. Are
you, by any chance, using 52x or some other media intended for use at
an outrageously high writing speed? If not, it's broken.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

Scott Dorsey wrote:

Chris Nagorka wrote:

I'm just curious, has anyone else had any troubles with HHB CD-R
machines? I bought a CDR-830 and about half the time, the finalization
doesn't work. I'm using the HHB media, too- you write the table of
contents, it counts down two minutes, and says the disc is ready. Then,
it won't play in any other machine. A second pass at writing the TOC
always cures it; it flashes "REPAIR" on the display then finalizes. This
has happened with all different brands of media. I contacted HHB about
it, they said they'd check into it but I never heard anything back. Any
suggestions? It can be sort of dangerous, because if I'm out somewhere
with the thing, I never know if I'm handing someone a CD that won't
play!

I have used a bunch of the HHB machines and never had a problem.

I've only woprked with two, 830 Burn-=It and 850 Plus, but they've both
been very realiable.

Are you, by any chance, using 52x or some other media intended for use at
an outrageously high writing speed? If not, it's broken.

Based on comments I've read my own first move would be to media other
than the HHB stock. There have been more than a few reports of
disappointment with that line.

--
ha

On a CDR-850, i just got a REPAIR message for the first time. It
happen when I hit STOP while recording a recital. All looked well
while recording, but the recording was hosed. Disc appears "stripey"
as if data was written intermittently. I haven't been able to recover
anything from disc.
Bill
Hello All:

I'm just curious, has anyone else had any troubles with HHB CD-R
machines? I bought a CDR-830 and about half the time, the finalization
doesn't work. I'm using the HHB media, too- you write the table of
contents, it counts down two minutes, and says the disc is ready. Then,
it won't play in any other machine. A second pass at writing the TOC
always cures it; it flashes "REPAIR" on the display then finalizes. This
has happened with all different brands of media. I contacted HHB about
it, they said they'd check into it but I never heard anything back. Any
suggestions? It can be sort of dangerous, because if I'm out somewhere
with the thing, I never know if I'm handing someone a CD that won't
play!

Chris Nagorka

In article ,
(Scott Dorsey) wrote:

Chris Nagorka wrote:

I'm just curious, has anyone else had any troubles with HHB CD-R
machines? I bought a CDR-830 and about half the time, the finalization
doesn't work. I'm using the HHB media, too- you write the table of
contents, it counts down two minutes, and says the disc is ready. Then,
it won't play in any other machine. A second pass at writing the TOC
always cures it; it flashes "REPAIR" on the display then finalizes. This
has happened with all different brands of media. I contacted HHB about
it, they said they'd check into it but I never heard anything back. Any
suggestions? It can be sort of dangerous, because if I'm out somewhere
with the thing, I never know if I'm handing someone a CD that won't
play!

I have used a bunch of the HHB machines and never had a problem. Are
you, by any chance, using 52x or some other media intended for use at
an outrageously high writing speed? If not, it's broken.
--scott

I just had the first problem with my 830-plus. I've been using no name
blanks, 48 to 52x all along, and I think I've had one problem. I also
used Mitsui inkjet blanks that were printed already for a festival.
Worked great.

I did a similar festival last month, and all I had were Taiyo Yuden
inkjets. I used those, and I started having trouble after 5 or 6 discs.
The initial checking of the inserted media took quite a long time, and
some not very good sounds came out of the drive. The "SET UP" flashed
up to 60 times - usually 10 - 15. Many times it would not work. Put in
the no name blanks (in this case HPs), worked fine. The T-Y inkjets are
"thicker" and "heavier" which I figured was the problem.

I talked to an HHB service guy, and he thought the machine was fine, it
just was not built for 52x media. I just I'm lucky the no name blanks
worked. What media *should* I be using, and where can I buy it? Thanks.

Doug

Doug Moran wrote:

I talked to an HHB service guy, and he thought the machine was fine, it
just was not built for 52x media. I just I'm lucky the no name blanks
worked. What media *should* I be using, and where can I buy it? Thanks.

Lowest measured error rate that I have got with my CDB 800 has been with
the 74-minute Mitsuis. Cassette House usually stocks them.

Reportely the Mitsuis have changed, but Taiyo Yuden still makes a 74-minute
blank. Cassette House probably has them.
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

In article writes:

Reportely the Mitsuis have changed, but Taiyo Yuden still makes a 74-minute
blank. Cassette House probably has them.

Someone over on the Mackie forum was looking for T-Y 74-minute blanks
and finally found them at close to two bucks a piece in 100 quantity.
He has an old CD-R drive that he's had some problems with when using
commonly available 80-minute blanks. He tried the T-Y 80s and they
worked fine for him (so far).



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(Mike Rivers) wrote in news:znr1117997798k@trad:

Someone over on the Mackie forum was looking for T-Y 74-minute blanks
and finally found them at close to two bucks a piece in 100 quantity.
He has an old CD-R drive that he's had some problems with when using
commonly available 80-minute blanks. He tried the T-Y 80s and they
worked fine for him (so far).

At $2.00 each vs $0.28 for the 80 minute variety, a spindle costs you an
additional $172. That could buy you a couple of new Plextor drives.

$2.00!!!

They're normally b/w 25 and 40 cents a pop through my supplier.

"Doug Moran" wrote in message
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I did a similar festival last month, and all I had were Taiyo Yuden
inkjets. I used those, and I started having trouble after 5 or 6 discs.
The initial checking of the inserted media took quite a long time, and
some not very good sounds came out of the drive. The "SET UP" flashed
up to 60 times - usually 10 - 15. Many times it would not work. Put in
the no name blanks (in this case HPs), worked fine.

HPs are a no-name brand?

Glenn D.

In article .com writes:

$2.00!!!

They're normally b/w 25 and 40 cents a pop through my supplier.

Who's your supplier? Are you sure this is the price for 74 minute and
not 80 minute Taiyo Yuden silver blanks? That's about what I pay for
the 80 minute one.

I couldn't read the Japanese on the T-Y web site, but it appears
that they still have 74-minute blanks, but under an alternate brand
name.

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However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me he double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

When I need 74's, I custom order them usually through MediaTechnics.
My assigned salesman charges me the same as they do for my 80 minute
TY's. Min order = 600.

On Sun, 5 Jun 2005, Glenn Dowdy wrote:

HPs are a no-name brand?

Glenn D.

Well, HP certainly is a name brand, but I lump most of their consumer
items with no-name things as they specify the manufacturing requirements
to a third party somewhere.

Someone mentioned a Windows program that will read part of a blank CD-R
and report back who manufactured it. Since I don't have a Windows machine
I've never tried it.

Doug

Mike,

You may also want to look at the cyanine based 74 minute BASF, Mitsumi,
Philips, and Sony 74 minute discs...which are all rebranded Taiyo
Yudens.

Cheers,
Chris

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On Sun, 5 Jun 2005, Glenn Dowdy wrote:

HPs are a no-name brand?

Glenn D.

Well, HP certainly is a name brand, but I lump most of their consumer
items with no-name things as they specify the manufacturing requirements
to a third party somewhere.

And test, and test, and test the spec'ed product.

Glenn D.

In article ,
"Glenn Dowdy" wrote:

Well, HP certainly is a name brand, but I lump most of their consumer
items with no-name things as they specify the manufacturing requirements
to a third party somewhere.

And test, and test, and test the spec'ed product.

Glenn D.

That is good if it is so. I would be interested in learning more of
HP's outsourcing model. The companies that outsource everything from
raw material purchase to manufacturing to distribution are not as
dependable as the ones that do system integration, or final functional
test.

I even went to the web site listed on the HP CD-R package
(www.hp-media.com) and there is nothing about the product verification
activity.

Doug

Doug Moran wrote:

That is good if it is so. I would be interested in learning more of
HP's outsourcing model. The companies that outsource everything from
raw material purchase to manufacturing to distribution are not as
dependable as the ones that do system integration, or final functional
test.

I don't know, but the HP DAT tapes were contracted out to Maxell for
years, and always were reliable and had lower error rates.

I even went to the web site listed on the HP CD-R package
(www.hp-media.com) and there is nothing about the product verification
activity.

In this sort of production, odds are they rely a long on having a
reputable company doing the manufacturing for them, and occasionally do
spot-checking. CD-Rs have indeed become a commodity item these days
and they get treated like one.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

"Doug Moran" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Glenn Dowdy" wrote:

Well, HP certainly is a name brand, but I lump most of their consumer
items with no-name things as they specify the manufacturing
requirements
to a third party somewhere.

And test, and test, and test the spec'ed product.

Glenn D.

That is good if it is so. I would be interested in learning more of
HP's outsourcing model. The companies that outsource everything from
raw material purchase to manufacturing to distribution are not as
dependable as the ones that do system integration, or final functional
test.

I even went to the web site listed on the HP CD-R package
(www.hp-media.com) and there is nothing about the product verification
activity.

I'm not sure what I'm able to share, but we do have in-house media
qualification experts. One such test lab is three rows over. I'll be at one
of our factories in two weeks.

Glenn D.