[Reid]

Way back when, a bit over 16 years ago in fact, I wrote this:
http://groups.google.com/group/news....934bbff7e1550#

I pop in occasionally to see how it's doing. It seems that despite
some horrific flame wars and personality clashes (and the inevitable
influx of spam), this group is still useful. I'm pleased.

What do you think? Is this still a cool place?

Reid

[John Byrns]

In article ,
Reid wrote:

Way back when, a bit over 16 years ago in fact, I wrote this:
http://groups.google.com/group/news....read/thread/d7
a934bbff7e1550#

I pop in occasionally to see how it's doing. It seems that despite
some horrific flame wars and personality clashes (and the inevitable
influx of spam), this group is still useful. I'm pleased.

What do you think? Is this still a cool place?

Considering the general decline of the usenet, it is doing better than one might
expect, it is definitely still a cool place. Unfortunately the group is
currently suffering through one of its worst periods as a result of constant OT
political posts by a craized Australian wing nut, one can only hope that he will
eventually tire of his OT silliness.

--
Regards,

John Byrns

Surf my web pages at, http://fmamradios.com/

[Reid]

On Sep 13, 10:03*am, John Byrns wrote:
In article ,

*Reid wrote:
What do you think? *Is this still a cool place?

Considering the general decline of the usenet, it is doing better than one might
expect, it is definitely still a cool place. *Unfortunately the group is
currently suffering through one of its worst periods as a result of constant OT
political posts by a craized Australian wing nut, one can only hope that he will
eventually tire of his OT silliness.

--
Regards,

John Byrns

Hi John. I'm glad to see you're still here! Thanks for the reply.

Reid

[Roger Kulp]

On Sep 13, 11:03*am, John Byrns wrote:
In article ,

*Reid wrote:
Way back when, a bit over 16 years ago in fact, I wrote this:
http://groups.google.com/group/news....browse_thread/...
a934bbff7e1550#

I pop in occasionally to see how it's doing. *It seems that despite
some horrific flame wars and personality clashes (and the inevitable
influx of spam), this group is still useful. *I'm pleased.

What do you think? *Is this still a cool place?

Considering the general decline of the usenet, it is doing better than one might
expect, it is definitely still a cool place. *Unfortunately the group is
currently suffering through one of its worst periods as a result of constant OT
political posts by a craized Australian wing nut, one can only hope that he will
eventually tire of his OT silliness.

--
Regards,

John Byrns

Surf my web pages at, *http://fmamradios.com/

It's a helluva lot more civilized,and saner than the knock-down drag-
out brawls,at rec.music.classical.recordings

Roger

[Patrick Turner]

On Sep 14, 3:03*am, John Byrns wrote:
In article ,

*Reid wrote:
Way back when, a bit over 16 years ago in fact, I wrote this:
http://groups.google.com/group/news....browse_thread/...
a934bbff7e1550#

I pop in occasionally to see how it's doing. *It seems that despite
some horrific flame wars and personality clashes (and the inevitable
influx of spam), this group is still useful. *I'm pleased.

What do you think? *Is this still a cool place?

Considering the general decline of the usenet, it is doing better than one might
expect, it is definitely still a cool place. *Unfortunately the group is
currently suffering through one of its worst periods as a result of constant OT
political posts by a craized Australian wing nut, one can only hope that he will
eventually tire of his OT silliness.

This group, rec.audio.tubes has only a tiny amount of technical
discussions relating to vacuum tubes compared to 10 years ago when
maybe there were 100 posts a day and many of those posting were
wearing out their soldering irons buiding various item, mainly tubed
audio power amps and preamps.

There is an extremely small amount of practical work building tube
operated gear going on. Most guys who turned 50 some ten years ago got
an urge to build the amp iof their dreams like they always wanted to
for the previous 30 years but were stopped by having to work and raise
a family and deal with a missus who said NO. Well, finally they got
the fad, built their amps, and then what? Fads abd crazes don't last,
and nobody knows what they are doing now at age 60. Given up on a
whole lotta stuff "they used ta do" once when they were young. My
living is earned by working with vacuum tubes, and I'd be one of the
rare types who is still interested and has wonderment for what I still
achieve with a soldering iron, and who also delights in sharing the
whole darn journey by maintaining a relevent website and talking to
ppl here or anywhere. Its actually difficult for me to ever find
others able to discuss vacuum tube stuff at my level so I keep out of
other internet forums where the usual discussion is a series of single
sentence comments which contain so little useful info and such dumb
questions that I'd be wasting my time by being there. They know where
I am though, and that I reply to private emails if they have a
question, but of course typing to each other is 99% of what they do,
where WORK is 99% of what I do.
The social media like FarceBook and ****ter has absorbed the time of
millions who like to connect, so groups like this were doomed to loose
posters because "alternative pubs" have opened their doors. I never go
to pubs where ppl sit about bull****ting to each other. The Internet
seems to bring Fake Freindships, ppl think thay have friends if they
Farce around or **** about in social media. I don't feel any need, and
could be called a loner, misfit, unsociable, but such labels don't
stick because there's a lot of ppl I like in the REAL WORLD, and who
like me.

I don't mind being labelled a "craized Australian wing nut" who has
said more on vacuum tube use than everyone else put together for the
last 10 years. I do have many political/social/ecomomic opinions and
many here seem very glad to read my long posts on such matters. It
gives them something to interest them, and someone to flame and
insult, and a vent for all the alternative opinions that exist in the
minds of maybe 4 regulars from the USA who lurk here, and who hate my
guts because I am so disagreable with redneck hardline right wingers.
Millions of other left wing "socialist scum" also disagree with the
ardent voices which always disagree with anything I say about the
world. There IS A HUGE APPETITE for OT subjects amoung a few here and
all the limp dicked wallys who dislike any message with more than 3
sylables hate OT, and expect a world to have its people talking just
ONE sentence to each other each day, rather than have a world where
people might say 500 sentences to other people. So a vast number of
people have grown to hate hanging out at this group because ppl like
me spoil the place, as well as those who reply to every word I say
with huge unsnipped posts which are too big sometimes for Google to
give to me in their entirity. Flipper is such an example. He thinks I
am a terrible ****struck socialist son of a pig.

But Flipper has huge trouble getting a socialist lable to stick
because he's so inept at personal judgements. If he were to use his
words and brain more wisely he'd notice that I am a capitalist, but
not the ratbag FU2 type who tramples over everyone and everything in
the name of progress. I run a business which I own, and its 31 years
since I worked for an employer or was a member of any union. I've
never been a member of a political party. But I love the fact my
country has FREE MEDICAL CARE for EVERYONE and that law and order here
is so good that our gun ownership is far lower than the USA. I'm quite
happy to pay my taxes, and I know that much of Big Business is amoral
and inefficient in 101 different ways. Sure Big business is mainly
responsible for much basic happiness in the world - when its not being
arsolic. Big Government can be seen the same way - thank goodness for
the roads and bridges, and traffic laws, police, legal system et all.
Sure there are arsoles in Gov and the Gove owned public service, but
there are more good ppl than arsoles. Seems to me a sensible mix of
private enterprize and socialist Gov activities allows the best of
living to happen.

I don't expect people I meet anywhere, including here, to be able to
tolerate all they see in anyone else, but anyway, I don't give a ****
how many rotten cabbages are thrown at me daily.

To be able to happily survive in un-moderated groups like this one
takes a certain kind of personality which allows one to never worry
about being called a truckload of horrible names. I'll still say what
I think and mean what I say where possible.

It'd be a very dull world without the OT.

If you don't like OT, then don't read the posts, but meanwhile its a
free world and nobody has the right to shut me or anyone else up.

That's enough BLATHER for 15 minutes!

Patrick Turner.

--
Regards,

John Byrns

Surf my web pages at, *http://fmamradios.com/

[Engineer[_2_]]

On Sep 13, 1:03*pm, John Byrns wrote:
In article ,

*Reid wrote:
Way back when, a bit over 16 years ago in fact, I wrote this:
http://groups.google.com/group/news....browse_thread/...
a934bbff7e1550#

I pop in occasionally to see how it's doing. *It seems that despite
some horrific flame wars and personality clashes (and the inevitable
influx of spam), this group is still useful. *I'm pleased.

What do you think? *Is this still a cool place?

Considering the general decline of the usenet, it is doing better than one might
expect, it is definitely still a cool place. *Unfortunately the group is
currently suffering through one of its worst periods as a result of constant OT
political posts by a craized Australian wing nut, one can only hope that he will
eventually tire of his OT silliness.

--
Regards,

John Byrns

Surf my web pages at, *http://fmamradios.com/

John, in defence (that's Canadian!) of Patrick, he may have a style
that some don't like but he has some of the best understanding of tube
audio you can find anywhere. So, let's discuss content... good, bad,
and indifferent, and avoid personal remarks!
Best to all.
Cheers,
Roger

[John L Stewart]

Originally Posted by Engineer[_2_]

On Sep 13, 1:03*pm, John Byrns wrote:
In article ,

*Reid wrote:
Way back when, a bit over 16 years ago in fact, I wrote this:
http://groups.google.com/group/news....browse_thread/...
a934bbff7e1550#

I pop in occasionally to see how it's doing. *It seems that despite
some horrific flame wars and personality clashes (and the inevitable
influx of spam), this group is still useful. *I'm pleased.

What do you think? *Is this still a cool place?

Considering the general decline of the usenet, it is doing better than one might
expect, it is definitely still a cool place. *Unfortunately the group is
currently suffering through one of its worst periods as a result of constant OT
political posts by a craized Australian wing nut, one can only hope that he will
eventually tire of his OT silliness.

--
Regards,

John Byrns

Surf my web pages at, *http://fmamradios.com/

John, in defence (that's Canadian!) of Patrick, he may have a style
that some don't like but he has some of the best understanding of tube
audio you can find anywhere. So, let's discuss content... good, bad,
and indifferent, and avoid personal remarks!
Best to all.
Cheers,
Roger

John B talks a lot but we see no work, action or otherwise. John B depends on others to research his ideas as he continues to dream on.

Patrick T talks a lot and we see lots of action & results. And some very important political comments, all worth our consideration.

Take your pick! My 2 schillings, anyway.

John L Stewart

[Patrick Turner]

On Sep 19, 12:05*am, John L Stewart John.L.Stewart.
wrote:
'Engineer[_2_ Wrote:





;938999']On Sep 13, 1:03*pm, John Byrns wrote:-
In article
,

*Reid wrote:-
Way back when, a bit over 16 years ago in fact, I wrote this:

http://groups.google.com/group/news....browse_thread/....
a934bbff7e1550#-
-
I pop in occasionally to see how it's doing. *It seems that despite
some horrific flame wars and personality clashes (and the
inevitable
influx of spam), this group is still useful. *I'm pleased.-
-
What do you think? *Is this still a cool place?-

Considering the general decline of the usenet, it is doing better than
one might
expect, it is definitely still a cool place. *Unfortunately the group
is
currently suffering through one of its worst periods as a result of
constant OT
political posts by a craized Australian wing nut, one can only hope
that he will
eventually tire of his OT silliness.

--
Regards,

John Byrns

Surf my web pages at, *http://fmamradios.com/-

John, in defence (that's Canadian!) *of Patrick, he may have a style
that some don't like but he has some of the best understanding of tube
audio you can find anywhere. *So, let's discuss content... good, bad,
and indifferent, and avoid personal remarks!
Best to all.
Cheers,
Roger

John B talks a lot but we see no work, action or otherwise. John B
depends on others to research his ideas as he continues to dream on.

Patrick T talks a lot and we see lots of action & results. And some very
important political comments, all worth our consideration.

Take your pick! My 2 schillings, anyway.

John L Stewart

And to avoid another stoopid war of words about the 2008 GFC and how
the world is still fulla problems the deniers refuse to aknowledge, I
suggest they read a book, titled 'EXREME MONEY : The Masters of the
Universe and the Cult of Risk" written by Satayit Das, published bt
Penguin, $32..95 in Oz.

The problem of all OT discussions is that discussees so often are
fulla misinformed beliefs about 101 things, leading them to
inconsistent behaviours where, for example, while they earn more than
100 grand a year, they think the rich should pay more taxes, but oh
no, not them. Or, All immigrants are gate crashing arsoles when their
grandparents arrived in the great increase in population of the USA
about 80 years ago, when the USA opened its arms to all manner of of
the poor and the down trodden. Oh, and greenhouse effect. To many ppl
it ain't happening, and if it is, someone else is the cause. But
were'e all in this world together and equal rights and duty of care
apply. Trouble with greenhouse is that its such a slow moving effecxt,
its easily denied. In 50 years, YOUR better educated offspring will
have a better idea and be more concerned about doing something about
it but of course scientists know the CO2 may take +20dB longer time to
reduce after we've increased it. So survival will be the focus in 50
years, and in 500 years, as it always has been IMHO. So there's no use
calling be wrong about worldy stuff, that ain't gonna make you right,
or make me right when I'm wrong, but even unpleasant worldly trends
are part of the wonderment of being human, and worth discussion.

I can think all about tube things for 1/2 my day, but I'd be a mental
retard if my mind didn't stray to other matters of worldly importance.
While some would be say I'm well on the way to being 100% insane,
usually its the pot calling the kettle black.

I'd be more enthusastic about working on tube stuff today if were not
for a fuct ankle which I crushed in a motorcycle prang some 43 years
ago and the arthritis is now preventing big efforts to control the
garden at my joint.
Two weeks of spring gardening has me hobbling around like a cripple,
and I even suffered during a bike ride yesterday.
BUT, I will get time to plant a few pumpkin seeds and let pumpkin
plants run amok over the huge heap of garden refuse I've gathered up
so that my front yard looks a bit like a wog's backyard. But the 25
cubic metres of fairly well compacted stuff is a Neat Heap, not a
mess. We are not allowed to burn stuff off like we used to, and costs
for rubbish removal is high, so what can be composted should be
composted IMHO, because it otherwise is composted at commercial
premises which sell it back to the public. In 3 years when the heap
reduces, maybe I get to make the sunny bit of ground grow a few
vegies.

Of course we cremate bodies here OK, maybe 6 grand a pop, and one day
I'll zip up the chimney like the others and my atoms will find others
to make whoopee with and form new life, and the future world. BTW,
this is real re-incarnation, nothing to be frightened of. We are here
to only borrow a few atoms for awhile, and then they are re-cycled.
Burying under 6 feet of ground seems such a silly slow way to re-cycle
a body, and without O2 involved much you tend to get CH4, much worse
than CO2.

Hopefully, my atoms won't find their way into too many problem
children, mentioned in the title of this thread.

Patrick Turner.

[John Byrns]

In article ,
Engineer wrote:

On Sep 13, 1:03*pm, John Byrns wrote:
In article
,

*Reid wrote:
Way back when, a bit over 16 years ago in fact, I wrote this:
http://groups.google.com/group/news....browse_thread/...
a934bbff7e1550#

I pop in occasionally to see how it's doing. *It seems that despite
some horrific flame wars and personality clashes (and the inevitable
influx of spam), this group is still useful. *I'm pleased.

What do you think? *Is this still a cool place?

Considering the general decline of the usenet, it is doing better than one
might
expect, it is definitely still a cool place. *Unfortunately the group is
currently suffering through one of its worst periods as a result of
constant OT
political posts by a craized Australian wing nut, one can only hope that he
will
eventually tire of his OT silliness.

--
Regards,

John Byrns

Surf my web pages at, *http://fmamradios.com/

John, in defence (that's Canadian!) of Patrick, he may have a style
that some don't like but he has some of the best understanding of tube
audio you can find anywhere. So, let's discuss content... good, bad,
and indifferent, and avoid personal remarks!

Roger, that is the point, Patrick doesn't avoid personal remarks in his OT
rants. While I may not be a target of his personal remarks, others are,
including individuals, citizens of the USA, and humans in general.

Bottom line, it would be better if he confined his remarks here to tube lore, as
defined in this groups charter, and took his political and environmental
religious pronouncements to to other groups where they would be on topic.

--
Regards,

John Byrns

Surf my web pages at, http://fmamradios.com/

[Iain Churches[_2_]]

"John Byrns" wrote in message
...
In article
,
Reid wrote:

Way back when, a bit over 16 years ago in fact, I wrote this:
http://groups.google.com/group/news....read/thread/d7
a934bbff7e1550#

I pop in occasionally to see how it's doing. It seems that despite
some horrific flame wars and personality clashes (and the inevitable
influx of spam), this group is still useful. I'm pleased.

What do you think? Is this still a cool place?

Considering the general decline of the usenet, it is doing better than one
might
expect, it is definitely still a cool place. Unfortunately the group is
currently suffering through one of its worst periods as a result of
constant OT
political posts by a craized Australian wing nut, one can only hope that
he will
eventually tire of his OT silliness.



Yes definately still a cool place:-)

Tube/valve audio was enjoying something of a renaissance
before the recession set in. I don't know if the situation
here in Scandinavia reflects what is going on in the US, the
UK or Oz, but here, there was considerable interest in
building and renovating tube/valveamps. So much so that
we had local evening classes to teach people the basics.
There was even a project amp. I was asked to take along
several vintage amps for people to look at and listen
to. The neat internal appearance of the Leak TL12
impressed everyone, and the sound of my 1971 vintage
Radford STA 100 left nobody cold.

But people quickly learned that thermionic audio is not a
cheap hobby, and the key component, the OPT can costs
a great deal of money (several times more than a complete
SS amp) And without a professionally finished chassis, it
is difficult to produce an amplifier that "looks the money"

Also although one follows the schematic meticulously,
there is no guarantee that a PP amp with copious amounts
of global FB will be stable. In these plug and play days of
instant gratificiation, critical damping is a bridge too far
for all except the most dedicated.

And so, here at least, the flame has died down almost as
quickly as it flared.

But fortunately RAT soldiers on:-)

Iain

[Engineer[_2_]]

On Sep 19, 11:10*am, "Iain Churches" wrote:
"John Byrns" wrote in message

...

(snip)

But fortunately RAT soldiers on:-)

Iain

Yes, RAT soldiers on... and a good thing, too. So does
rec.antiques.radio+phono, my other vice!
Cheers,
Roger

[Iain Churches[_2_]]

"Engineer" wrote in message
...
On Sep 19, 11:10 am, "Iain Churches" wrote:
"John Byrns" wrote in message

...

(snip)

But fortunately RAT soldiers on:-)

Yes, RAT soldiers on... and a good thing, too. So does
rec.antiques.radio+phono, my other vice!

Many Usenet groups have declined both in
quality of content and in the number of
contributors due to the presence of hooligans
who, for reasons know best to themselves,
want to disrupt the discussion.

Audio, in particular valve/tube audio is
prone to this - with valves and vinyl
being a target for much wrath.

Not to mention SE valve/tube amps:-)

Iain

[Arny Krueger[_4_]]

"Iain Churches" wrote in message
...


Many Usenet groups have declined both in
quality of content and in the number of
contributors due to the presence of hooligans
who, for reasons know best to themselves,
want to disrupt the discussion.

If that were the dominant factor, then moderated groups would be immune to
the decline. IME, they are not.

If that were the dominant factor, then groups are generally orderly would be
immune to the decline. IME, they are not.

The impact of social networking strikes me as being a stronger force.

Audio, in particular valve/tube audio is
prone to this - with valves and vinyl
being a target for much wrath.

In fact, the majority of the wrath in those areas is expressed by advocates
who can't agree about the best way to advocate, or are just wired to be
hostile and argumentative.

Not to mention SE valve/tube amps:-)

I continue to find it interesting that these are taken seriously today given
that mainstream audio abandoned SE amps for high performance audio as soon
as they could - in the late 1920s at the latest.

Those that are ignorant of history are forced to repeat it, I guess!

[Patrick Turner]

On Sep 20, 1:10*am, "Iain Churches" wrote:
"John Byrns" wrote in message

...





In article
,
Reid wrote:

Way back when, a bit over 16 years ago in fact, I wrote this:
http://groups.google.com/group/news....browse_thread/....
a934bbff7e1550#

I pop in occasionally to see how it's doing. *It seems that despite
some horrific flame wars and personality clashes (and the inevitable
influx of spam), this group is still useful. *I'm pleased.

What do you think? *Is this still a cool place?

Considering the general decline of the usenet, it is doing better than one
might
expect, it is definitely still a cool place. *Unfortunately the group is
currently suffering through one of its worst periods as a result of
constant OT
political posts by a craized Australian wing nut, one can only hope that
he will
eventually tire of his OT silliness.

Yes definately still a cool place:-)

Tube/valve audio was enjoying something of a renaissance
before the recession set in. *I don't know if the situation
here in Scandinavia reflects what is going on in the US, the
UK or Oz, but here, there was considerable interest in
building and renovating tube/valveamps. So much so that
we had local evening classes to teach people the basics.
There was even a project amp. *I was asked to take along
several vintage amps for people to look at and listen
to. *The neat internal appearance of the Leak TL12
impressed everyone, and the sound of my 1971 vintage
Radford STA 100 left nobody cold.

But people quickly learned that thermionic audio is not a
cheap hobby, and the key component, the OPT can costs
a great deal of money (several times more than a complete
SS amp) * And without a professionally finished chassis, it
is difficult to produce an amplifier that "looks the money"

Also although one follows the schematic meticulously,
there is no guarantee that a PP amp with copious amounts
of *global FB will be stable. In these plug and play days of
instant gratificiation, critical damping is a bridge too far
for all except the *most dedicated.

And so, here at least, the flame has died down almost as
quickly as it flared.

But fortunately RAT soldiers on:-)

And you forgot to mention the majority of re-born enthusiasts were
soft flabby gutted types who don't like criticism and real deep study
of anything so they mainly left r.a.t because of the heat from those
who were intolerant of even a small whiff of BS.

The same types also got old, I'd say average age since 2001 went from
49 to 59, a time of enormous decline in most blokes.

And you forgot that OPTs don't have to be expensive and they rarely
ever cost more than a whole solid state amp but of course as blokes
age they become Uncle Scrooge types who hate paying a cent for
anything as subconsciously the value of their lives and themselves
ebbs away. All these wannabe do littles could have learnt to wind
their own OPTs, ie, put the effort in where its needed, and get off
the arse and into motion. But all the old guys of America and Europe
have other ideas - to take it easy, and try to survive economic
depression they let happen, and survive their illnesses they have no
control over.

Compared to many other far more extravagant hobbies, like owning a
private yacht, private aeroplane, or a private mistress, tube audio
constructing has to be exremely cheep, but methinks many blokes just
got bored with devoting time to building gear because they'd never
much use it anyway, because only very few technically proficient
personalities actually like music a huge amount. How many OT posts
have there been at r.a.t about music? about zero compared to posts
about cars, guns, politices, hate, BS et all. Even my father thought
listening to music was a sissy activity. Stoopid *******. But lets not
psychoanalyse too much.

Now we enter a time of economic depression, and all because so many
people have spent more than they could afford. This may not have been
YOU, but musta bin the guy next door; certainly a lot of ppl
somewhere, or else everyone was robbed somehow. No bloody money now.
The love affair with credit has bit everyone on their lazy arses, and
meanwhile wives are putting final touches on fully controlling
husbands' dismal efforts in bed, out of bed, and with the family
finances. Mental castration is almost done. Let's face it, un-
castrated young males live such awfully expensive lives.

So as the decline looks set to continue as the sun sets on baby
boomers, I'm staying un-married, out of debt, fit as I can manage
easily, and staying armed with a soldering iron, and while other
technician blokes drop dead around me I plan to keep going until I
drop dead at some time. I've never seen such a crowd come to me this
last year for repairs and re-engineering. I got rid of my Yellow Pages
add, and still they came. But at least here in Oz, unemplyment is
5.3%, we've avoided recession, average wages are $67,000 per year and
some big international finance body awarded our national treasurer
Wayne Swan title "man of the year", because he's managed the Oz
economy so well, and that IS remarkable bearing in mind he looks and
quacks just like Donald Duck, and the Opposition Party thinks he's a
complete dickhead.

I'm moving into retirement next July and will get the old age pension,
and then I'll be able to say NO NO NO to a whole army of people
clutching faulty solid state junk which isn't very old and which
doesn't last very long these days.

So, I'll manage to go on as a local curmudgeonly type for some
forseeable future with some subsidization by taxpayers, which will
seem like winning the lottery after 15 years putting up with the
legions of arsoles who have expected me to slave away for payments far
low than they get themselves, and preventing me ever being more than a
technical "voluntary worker".

The sound of saying NO to someone wanting a cheap fix will echo like,
say, the Brandenburg Orchestra in my ears as I say NO to people. BTW,
you could all do a Google on the Brandenburg Orchestra, and you'd find
they give the very best of good music which is made heavenly with a
glass or two of dry red. Both will help anyone forget their downers,
until tommorrow.

Its a very nice spring morning here and my body has improved after
temporary ruination caused by last week's gardening efforts. So I'm
off on the bicycle to have coffee and read a paper some 35km away, and
just what the rest of the world gets up to is of SFA concern to me.

Patrick Turner.

[John L Stewart]

Its a very nice spring morning here and my body has improved after
temporary ruination caused by last week's gardening efforts. So I'm
off on the bicycle to have coffee and read a paper some 35km away, and
just what the rest of the world gets up to is of SFA concern to me.

Patrick Turner.[/quote]

I'm gone on the bike (the kind one must pedal) again in 1/2 an hour for 50 km or more. Was same yesterday & same Sunday. The TUBES are in the tires.

Then I will get on the tractor & haul some logs (not track)! The TUBES are the hydraulic hoses.

Gotta chain saw some fire wood for coming Winter. What? No TUBES?

Cheers to all, John L Stewart

[Iain Churches[_2_]]

"John L Stewart" wrote in message
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Gotta chain saw some fire wood for coming Winter. What? No TUBES?

John.- I am engaged in a similar autumn task.
The wood we will burn this winter was cut and
stacked for drying three summers ago. We get
through about 1 000kilos of logs in a winter.
I like the idea of a self-renewing energy source.

http://www.kolumbus.fi/iain.churches...ummer/SC22.jpg

My Stihl chain saw certainly has a tube - a rubber
pipe around the hand-grip:-)

Cheers
Iain