[Mr.Will]

I had a listen and it really didnt sound any different at all!
Everything seemed a little clearer, and the high hats pushed through a bit
more, could make out the vocalists words a bit better - it wasnt bad before,
the mastering has just subtly made it a little "cleaner"..........

Anyone want to hear?

Mr.Will

[Scott Dorsey]

Mr.Will wrote:
I had a listen and it really didnt sound any different at all!
Everything seemed a little clearer, and the high hats pushed through a bit
more, could make out the vocalists words a bit better - it wasnt bad before,
the mastering has just subtly made it a little "cleaner"..........

So, now play it back along with your original recording, on a good pair
of speakers in a well-set-up room.

Now, take the two and play them in your car.

Now, take the two and play them on a boom box.
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[rakman]

On May 12, 10:19*pm, "Mr.Will" wrote:
I had a listen and it really didnt sound any different at all!
Everything seemed a little clearer, and the high hats pushed through a bit
more, could make out the vocalists words a bit better - it wasnt bad before,
the mastering has just subtly made it a little "cleaner"..........

Anyone want to hear?

Mr.Will

Yeah some before and after mp3s might be interesting.

[RD Jones]

On May 13, 6:29*am, rakman wrote:
On May 12, 10:19*pm, "Mr.Will" wrote:

I had a listen and it really didnt sound any different at all!
Everything seemed a little clearer, and the high hats pushed through a bit
more, could make out the vocalists words a bit better - it wasnt bad before,
the mastering has just subtly made it a little "cleaner"..........

Anyone want to hear?

Mr.Will

Yeah some before and after mp3s might be interesting.

Decimating it down to empty3's defeats the whole purpose, doesn't it?

reddog

[rakman]

On May 14, 5:01*am, RD Jones wrote:
On May 13, 6:29*am, rakman wrote:

On May 12, 10:19*pm, "Mr.Will" wrote:

I had a listen and it really didnt sound any different at all!
Everything seemed a little clearer, and the high hats pushed through a bit
more, could make out the vocalists words a bit better - it wasnt bad before,
the mastering has just subtly made it a little "cleaner"..........

Anyone want to hear?

Mr.Will

Yeah some before and after mp3s might be interesting.

Decimating it down to empty3's defeats the whole purpose, doesn't it?

reddog

Lol. Yeah. Inadvertent trolling.
But downloading/streaming some big-ass PCM file
takes too long for my liking, though.

Some songs sound better at 24/96, some sound
better at 24/48, some better at 16/44.1.
Occasionally a 320kbps mp3 at 48K sounds better than
a 16/44.1 wav, or just as good, at least to my ears.
I also think we get a perfectly good musical/sonic experience
from YouTube videos, personally.

So what's your magic format that makes
mp3 look like such a joke?

[Scott Dorsey]

rakman wrote:

Lol. Yeah. Inadvertent trolling.
But downloading/streaming some big-ass PCM file
takes too long for my liking, though.

True, but it's necessary if you're doing critical listening.

So what's your magic format that makes
mp3 look like such a joke?

FLAC isn't bad. Sometimes the file size drops by half compared
with the .wav, and the original .wav can be reconstituted with no
loss. Still way bigger than .mp3 but you get what you pay for.
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[rakman]

On May 14, 12:09*pm, (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
rakman wrote:

Lol. Yeah. Inadvertent trolling.
But downloading/streaming some big-ass PCM file
takes too long for my liking, though.

True, but it's necessary if you're doing critical listening.

So what's your magic format that makes
mp3 look like such a joke?

FLAC isn't bad. *Sometimes the file size drops by half compared
with the .wav, and the original .wav can be reconstituted with no
loss. *Still way bigger than .mp3 but you get what you pay for.
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

It's possible that FLAC is better for classical music
or sophisticated jazz/fusion etc. Not sure if it makes
any difference for normal pop music though.

[Anahata]

On Fri, 13 May 2011 21:01:46 -0700, RD Jones wrote:


Decimating it down to empty3's defeats the whole purpose, doesn't it?

I know what you mean, but if the mastering process has made an audible
difference then that difference will still be audible on MP3s.

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[hank alrich]

RD Jones wrote:

On May 13, 6:29 am, rakman wrote:
On May 12, 10:19 pm, "Mr.Will" wrote:

I had a listen and it really didnt sound any different at all!
Everything seemed a little clearer, and the high hats pushed through a
bit more, could make out the vocalists words a bit better - it wasnt
bad before, the mastering has just subtly made it a little
"cleaner"..........

Anyone want to hear?

Mr.Will

Yeah some before and after mp3s might be interesting.

Decimating it down to empty3's defeats the whole purpose, doesn't it?

reddog

Possibly not if one sticks in the 320 or 256 kbps range.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpqXcV9DYAc
http://www.sonicbids.com/HankandShaidri

[alex]

Il 12/05/2011 23.19, Mr.Will ha scritto:
I had a listen and it really didnt sound any different at all!
Everything seemed a little clearer, and the high hats pushed through a bit
more, could make out the vocalists words a bit better - it wasnt bad before,
the mastering has just subtly made it a little "cleaner"..........

Anyone want to hear?

Mr.Will


one of the targets of the mastering engineer (the main one) is not to
change the original sound more as strictly needed. This is imperative in
the matter of respect of the early production steps.
In the mixing step engineers and musicians usually reach the
"satisfactory" sound. If some problems are recognized, they will ask the
mastering guy to attempt a correction.
If the material already sounds good, there's no direct need to change it.
Some technical processing are sometimes needed in order to make the
material more compatible with his final media.
Relative levels, fades, songs spacing, correlation, panorama, dynamic
range, air and deepth are controlled with the word "respect" always in mind.
You can see the mastering step like a final "check", and "corrections"
will take place only where needed.
Everytime i have doubts about the original sound i will ask the client
for the permission to change it, providing him some samples to hear.
Don't expect a big audible changes in the mastering, except where the
mix has problems.
Is usually very important to have the material double checked by a
second pair of (trained) hears, the mastering engineer is perfect for this.

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Alex writes:
I had a listen and it really didnt sound any different at all!
Everything seemed a little clearer, and the high hats pushed
through a bit more, could make out the vocalists words a bit
better - it wasnt bad before, the mastering has just subtly made
it a little "cleaner"..........
snip
one of the targets of the mastering engineer (the main one) is not
to change the original sound more as strictly needed. This is
imperative in the matter of respect of the early production steps.

There's that word, and this is important, "respect" of the
earlier steps. IT sounds like you found the right mastering
engineer for the type of material you do, and that's a good
sign. Keep his number!!!

snip
Some technical processing are sometimes needed in order
to make the material more compatible with his final media.
Relative levels, fades, songs spacing, correlation, panorama,
dynamic range, air and deepth are controlled with the word
"respect" always in mind. You can see the mastering step like a
final "check", and "corrections" will take place only where needed.
Everytime i have doubts about the original sound i will ask the
client for the permission to change it, providing him some samples
to hear. Don't expect a big audible changes in the mastering,
except where the mix has problems.


Agreed, which is why I always suggest you be present during
the mastering session as well, if possible. The added bonus
of being present at the mastering session is that you'll
learn if you can do anything to avoid needed changes on
later mixes possibly. Attending the mastering session can
help you learn a lot of things about your working
environment while mixing, etc.

Glad it worked out for you Will!!!



Richard webb,

replace anything before at with elspider
ON site audio in the southland: see www.gatasound.com

[alex]

Il 15/05/2011 18.35, ha scritto:
Glad it worked out for you Will!!!
uh, in the fact, i forgot to mention, I AM A MASTERING ENGINEER! :-)
What i said is my appoach to the job, in very short terms and bad
english :-(
I'm glad you approve it.

alex

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Alex writes:
Glad it worked out for you Will!!!
uh, in the fact, i forgot to mention, I AM A MASTERING ENGINEER! :-)
What i said is my appoach to the job, in very short terms and bad
english :-(
I'm glad you approve it.

I gathered you were a mastering guy from your comments.
Were you stateside that would mean that you'd be on my list
of folks to talk to for sure. Even if I didn't go to one of
the names that was what I went for with any mastering
session, another set of ears on the project, and another
listening environment along with my presence. Your basic
working philosophy was well stated, even if English isn't
your native tongue. wOuld that some native English speakers
could express themselves as clearly, and held the same views
grin.

Regards,





Richard webb,

replace anything before at with elspider
ON site audio in the southland: see www.gatasound.com

[alex]

Il 15/05/2011 22.45, ha scritto:
I gathered you were a mastering guy from your comments.
Were you stateside that would mean that you'd be on my list
of folks to talk to for sure. Even if I didn't go to one of
the names that was what I went for with any mastering
session, another set of ears on the project, and another
listening environment along with my presence. Your basic
working philosophy was well stated, even if English isn't
your native tongue. wOuld that some native English speakers
could express themselves as clearly, and held the same views
grin.

Regards,





Richard webb,

Thankyou very much, Richard

Alex