"Brian" wrote in message

These days you have buy a set of 5 speakers and a sub for $199 at a
store that sells food, but I'm sure they would be much worse than BOSE
speakers.

No, the #199 speakers are likly of a similar quality. Maybe the BOSE are a
little better,

geoff

Brian wrote:

I had so many replies in my last post about BOSE

This is entirely normal ! LOL


that I thought I'd
better start a new post. No one wants to read 199 or so posts and some
of the posts were not related to my question.

Thank you for all your helpful replies.

You're *sure* they were helpful ?


It's possible that the BOSE speakers do not sound good in a large
room.

I think that's a given actually. 4 inch speakers sound pretty rubbish even
in a car cabin.


The Room I have my BOSE speakers in is 5 x 3.5 meters. The distance
from the speakers is 3 meters.

Buy some decent speakers man !

I recently heard some of these and they are both compact and have a truly
awsome bass for their size plus a sonic transparency that beggars belief.

http://www.pmcloudspeaker.com/index2.html


Graham

On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 00:47:45 -0500, RichA wrote:

Paradigm are garbage.

Oh? IMO, they are very competitive in every price range they cover.
You really can't go too wrong with Paradigm.

Cheap componentry

Nonsense. Better than average, for any given price level.

and the wattage handling ratings are way too high.

No one with a clue puts any stock in wattage-handling ratings.

On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 14:32:08 GMT, SSJVCmag
wrote:

On 3/31/05 6:19 AM, in article , "ren"
wrote:

This is exactly what I mean. Brian I don't care what your preferences
are

And really neither do folks on unassociated groups, which leaves many of us
wondering just why it's such an intellectual challenge for you and All you
guys gals and others, to
get the fraggin crossposts cleaned up so
this thread ONLY shows up WHERE it's REALLY WANTED.

No reason not to.

It's Quick!
It's Fun!
It's EASY!
It earns you the respect and eternal homage of
Well
SOMEBODY I'd guess.
Just Do It.
Now
Please.
Thanks

Why don't you **** up a rope, you ******?

It seems to me that this discussion is on-topic in all the groups it's
in. If you feel otherwise, SAY which group you think is
inappropriate.

Brian wrote:

playon wrote:

On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 11:08:04 +1200, Brian wrote:

The BOSE sub woofer is in a corner facing the wall so that low
frequency sound bounces off the wall giving me more bass volume.

Right...

Does that mean you agree with me.
I think I got the idea of facing the bass and sub woofer speaker at
the wall from a HiFi magazine.

This kind of thing was considered a neat idea back in the 50s, Brian !
Technology has moved on a teensy weensy bit since then !

Whatever you do - *don't* use most so-called 'hi-fi' magazines as a
reliable source of info. They're there to sell adverts - that's all.

You might try reading the pro-audio press but even that is getting
polluted by snake oil purveyors now.


Graham

Brian wrote:

Just out of interest ren have you actually listened to BOSE speakers
or are you basing your judgement on what you have read?

Brian, let me tell you, *everyone* here has heard ( been exposed to the
severe aural pain ) of listening to BOSE speakers.

When we criticise them we aren't joking ! We are pros with decades of
experience each most likely.

I only wish you had a PMC dealer near you. You would probably faint at the
quality of the sound.

Btw - do please follow my link(s) to PMC. You'll notice that they are used by
Metropolis Studios London in their Mastering Labs. That's where they 'cut'
CDs and stuff. A recommendation doesn't really come much higher than that.

http://www.pmcloudspeaker.com/studios/metmas.html

I've heard them myself and was stunned at their quality of reproduction. Not
everyone *likes* accurate reproduction however but I doubt you'd be
unhappy ;-)

AFAIK they aren't even that expensive !

They're local to me and I have some contacts with them

http://www.pmcloudspeaker.com/studios/prism.html

The sales and technical director of Prism are old mates of mine ( 2 of the
guys in the pic ) . I bet they could fix a deal to supply you.


Graham

Brian wrote:

I believe that some speakers are better for Rock music, some speakers
are better for classical music and some speakers are better for
movies.

And some are great for everything.

These days you have buy a set of 5 speakers and a sub for $199 at a
store that sells food, but I'm sure they would be much worse than BOSE
speakers.

Why would anyone want to buy speakers there ?

I took peoples advice and listened to a pair of Paradigm speakers. I
was hoping to listen to other speakers but the sells man seemed to be
keen on wanting me to listen to only this brand of speakers.

Surprise ! I guess he gets better commission on them ! That's how it works.


Graham

Brian wrote:

I hope to try some B&W speakers soon.

B&W do at least have some technical integrity. You may or may not *like* the sound. Depends what
you're used to, to be honest.


Graham

Brian wrote:

playon wrote:

On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 11:08:04 +1200, Brian wrote:

The BOSE sub woofer is in a corner facing the wall so that low
frequency sound bounces off the wall giving me more bass volume.

Right...

Does that mean you agree with me.

No, it means I think you are ignorant.

Al

I was curious but I couldn't find a price list for the PMCs
anywhere...

Al

On Fri, 01 Apr 2005 02:21:44 +0100, Pooh Bear
wrote:

Btw - do please follow my link(s) to PMC. You'll notice that they are used by
Metropolis Studios London in their Mastering Labs. That's where they 'cut'
CDs and stuff. A recommendation doesn't really come much higher than that.

http://www.pmcloudspeaker.com/studios/metmas.html

I've heard them myself and was stunned at their quality of reproduction. Not
everyone *likes* accurate reproduction however but I doubt you'd be
unhappy ;-)

AFAIK they aren't even that expensive

On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 22:10:49 +1200, in rec.audio.pro you wrote:


Please do be polite.
I believe that some speakers are better for Rock music, some speakers
are better for classical music and some speakers are better for
movies.

I believe that some speakers are better for LISTENERS of Rock music,
some speakes are better for LISTENERS of classical music and some
speakers are better for LISTENERS of movies.

Listeners of Rock music like really thumpy bass and in your face
presence. Classical listeners like accurate reproduction, etc.

Audio engineers like accurate reproduction even for rock music.

All is bull****.
Willie K. Yee, M.D. http://users.bestweb.net/~wkyee
Developer of Problem Knowledge Couplers for Psychiatry http://www.pkc.com
Webmaster and Guitarist for the Big Blue Big Band http://www.bigbluebigband.org

Agreed. I don't even have a stereo system in the house because I have my
studio if I want to listen to music accurately.

These audiophile guys don't know what they are missing when they try to
simply boost the properties of a system for the characteristics they like.
One man's trash is another's golden find.

Show me a guy that's put $50k into their listening system and I could
probably still find environmental reason why it doesn't work well. It's the
same problem we see with home theaters. They generally are consumer items,
even if the cost is prohibitive, and don't fit the room, aren't set up
correctly, and generally sound like ****.

But if it's $50k that they wished to spend on what they get, then fine. I'm
not about to tell them how bad it sounds, but you won't catch me telling
them it sounds good either.

--


Roger W. Norman
SirMusic Studio
http://blogs.salon.com/0004478/
"Willie K.Yee, M.D." wrote in message
...
On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 22:10:49 +1200, in rec.audio.pro you wrote:


Please do be polite.
I believe that some speakers are better for Rock music, some speakers
are better for classical music and some speakers are better for
movies.

I believe that some speakers are better for LISTENERS of Rock music,
some speakes are better for LISTENERS of classical music and some
speakers are better for LISTENERS of movies.

Listeners of Rock music like really thumpy bass and in your face
presence. Classical listeners like accurate reproduction, etc.

Audio engineers like accurate reproduction even for rock music.

All is bull****.
Willie K. Yee, M.D. http://users.bestweb.net/~wkyee
Developer of Problem Knowledge Couplers for Psychiatry http://www.pkc.com
Webmaster and Guitarist for the Big Blue Big Band
http://www.bigbluebigband.org

Uses Bose 901's atop his console?

Roger W. Norman wrote:
Agreed. I don't even have a stereo system in the house because I have my
studio if I want to listen to music accurately.

These audiophile guys don't know what they are missing when they try to
simply boost the properties of a system for the characteristics they like.
One man's trash is another's golden find.

Show me a guy that's put $50k into their listening system and I could
probably still find environmental reason why it doesn't work well. It's the
same problem we see with home theaters. They generally are consumer items,
even if the cost is prohibitive, and don't fit the room, aren't set up
correctly, and generally sound like ****.

But if it's $50k that they wished to spend on what they get, then fine. I'm
not about to tell them how bad it sounds, but you won't catch me telling
them it sounds good either.

Uses Bose 901 atop his console next to a set of Yamaha NS-10?

Roger W. Norman wrote:
Agreed. I don't even have a stereo system in the house because I have my
studio if I want to listen to music accurately.

These audiophile guys don't know what they are missing when they try to
simply boost the properties of a system for the characteristics they like.
One man's trash is another's golden find.

Show me a guy that's put $50k into their listening system and I could
probably still find environmental reason why it doesn't work well. It's the
same problem we see with home theaters. They generally are consumer items,
even if the cost is prohibitive, and don't fit the room, aren't set up
correctly, and generally sound like ****.

But if it's $50k that they wished to spend on what they get, then fine. I'm
not about to tell them how bad it sounds, but you won't catch me telling
them it sounds good either.

playon wrote:

I was curious but I couldn't find a price list for the PMCs
anywhere...

Probably need to contact the distributor for your country.

Graham

Pooh Bear wrote:
playon wrote:

I was curious but I couldn't find a price list for the PMCs
anywhere...

Probably need to contact the distributor for your country.

Graham

I don't know when you are, but I purchased mine from Calistro Music in
Connecticut (www.calistromusic.com), and was happy with the service and
price.

Small room - toilet ?

geoff

Geoff Wood wrote:

Small room - toilet ?

He was referring to PMC speakers, *not* Bose - an *entirely* different
quality of product altogether !

e.g.

IB-1S
Passive Monitors

Transmission-line design with 10 inch flat carbon fiber woofer, 3-inch
silk-dome midrange and 1-inch silk-dome tweeter.

3 pair binding-post inputs. Magnetic shielding, studio stands and
amplifier optional.

Power handling up to 500 W; crossover point 380 Hz and 3.8 kHz; FR 25
Hz-25 kHz; sens 89 dB SPL/W/m; imp 4 ohms. 13 x 29 1/8 x 13 3/8 inches;
80 Lbs


http://www.calistromusic.com and click on the manufacturers list.


Graham

Good call...when I redesign my mastering room, PMC's are going in...

"Pooh Bear" wrote in message
...

Brian wrote:

Just out of interest ren have you actually listened to BOSE speakers
or are you basing your judgement on what you have read?

Brian, let me tell you, *everyone* here has heard ( been exposed to the
severe aural pain ) of listening to BOSE speakers.

When we criticise them we aren't joking ! We are pros with decades of
experience each most likely.

I only wish you had a PMC dealer near you. You would probably faint at the
quality of the sound.

Btw - do please follow my link(s) to PMC. You'll notice that they are used
by
Metropolis Studios London in their Mastering Labs. That's where they 'cut'
CDs and stuff. A recommendation doesn't really come much higher than that.

http://www.pmcloudspeaker.com/studios/metmas.html

I've heard them myself and was stunned at their quality of reproduction.
Not
everyone *likes* accurate reproduction however but I doubt you'd be
unhappy ;-)

AFAIK they aren't even that expensive !

They're local to me and I have some contacts with them

http://www.pmcloudspeaker.com/studios/prism.html

The sales and technical director of Prism are old mates of mine ( 2 of the
guys in the pic ) . I bet they could fix a deal to supply you.


Graham