On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 09:48:36 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:


I think the logic (such as it is - remember entering the
world of vinyl involves checking your brain at the door) is
that if your old turntable had a platter that rang like the
Liberty bell being struck by an 250 pound construction
worker weilding an 8 pound sledge, the ringing would amplify
record tics and pops.

I'm not agreeing or disagreeing since I have no interest in vinyl, but
the same thing used to be said of Linn and other top turntables--that
they could separate the ticks and pops from the music, put the
extraneous noise on a different plane of sound, as it were, so that
one could blot it out while listening. I understand this in theory,
I've even heard the effect, but it never really helped me come to
terms with surface noise.

"paul packer" wrote in message

On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 09:48:36 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:


I think the logic (such as it is - remember entering the
world of vinyl involves checking your brain at the door)
is that if your old turntable had a platter that rang
like the Liberty bell being struck by an 250 pound
construction worker weilding an 8 pound sledge, the
ringing would amplify record tics and pops.

I'm not agreeing or disagreeing since I have no interest
in vinyl, but the same thing used to be said of Linn and
other top turntables--that they could separate the ticks
and pops from the music, put the extraneous noise on a
different plane of sound, as it were, so that one could
blot it out while listening. I understand this in theory,
I've even heard the effect, but it never really helped me
come to terms with surface noise.

Agreed that its difficult or impossible, not to say totally
unecessay to come to terms with surface noise.


It may be is possible to enter some state of Zen where the
mechanical din inherent in vinyl playback is on a different
plane than the music, but overpriced turntables aren't a
necessity or even that much of a help.

"paul packer" wrote in message
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On 10 Nov 2005 21:18:08 -0800, wrote:


Fran=E7ois Yves Le Gal wrote:
On 10 Nov 2005 14:36:08 -0800, "JBColeman"
wrote:

so far I've noticed
nothing like the remarkable reduction in pops, etc on the vinyl that
people have described.

The VPI - or any record cleaning machine - won't remove clicks and pops.

I may be completely wrong

You're not.

but with years of vinyl experience I
came to the conclusion that the records that have an intolerable level
of clicks have got this way in pressing. Consequently nothing will
change the really bad ones.

At last someone agrees with me. I've been saying this on aus.hi-fi for
months and getting slapped down. But it's true, damn it!

Lots of people agree with you but they aren't vinylphiles and therefore are
open to criticising an inferior medium.

I crack up over the whole LP thing every time I think of the fact that they
consider S.O.T.A. is something with a rubber band.

In article et,
wrote:

"paul packer" wrote in message
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On 10 Nov 2005 21:18:08 -0800, wrote:


Fran=E7ois Yves Le Gal wrote:
On 10 Nov 2005 14:36:08 -0800, "JBColeman"
wrote:

so far I've noticed
nothing like the remarkable reduction in pops, etc on the vinyl that
people have described.

The VPI - or any record cleaning machine - won't remove clicks and pops.

I may be completely wrong

You're not.

but with years of vinyl experience I
came to the conclusion that the records that have an intolerable level
of clicks have got this way in pressing. Consequently nothing will
change the really bad ones.

At last someone agrees with me. I've been saying this on aus.hi-fi for
months and getting slapped down. But it's true, damn it!

Lots of people agree with you but they aren't vinylphiles and therefore are
open to criticising an inferior medium.

I crack up over the whole LP thing every time I think of the fact that they
consider S.O.T.A. is something with a rubber band.

Some people care more about sound than the drive system. Weird, huh?

Jenn said:

I crack up over the whole LP thing every time I think of the fact that they
consider S.O.T.A. is something with a rubber band.

Some people care more about sound than the drive system. Weird, huh?

Mickey's problem is that he can't keep his snacks alive and kicking
inside of a turntable.

"Jenn" wrote in message

In article
et,
wrote:

"paul packer" wrote in message
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On 10 Nov 2005 21:18:08 -0800,
wrote:


Fran=E7ois Yves Le Gal wrote:
On 10 Nov 2005 14:36:08 -0800, "JBColeman"
wrote:

so far I've noticed
nothing like the remarkable reduction in pops, etc
on the vinyl that people have described.

The VPI - or any record cleaning machine - won't
remove clicks and pops.

I may be completely wrong

You're not.

but with years of vinyl experience I
came to the conclusion that the records that have an
intolerable level of clicks have got this way in
pressing. Consequently nothing will change the really
bad ones.

At last someone agrees with me. I've been saying this
on aus.hi-fi for months and getting slapped down. But
it's true, damn it!

Lots of people agree with you but they aren't
vinylphiles and therefore are open to criticising an
inferior medium.

I crack up over the whole LP thing every time I think of
the fact that they consider S.O.T.A. is something with a
rubber band.

Some people care more about sound than the drive system.
Weird, huh?

That would be clearly true of people who aren't vinylphiles.
They are care more about sound quality than perpetuation of
a grundgy, noisy, unreliable legacy medium.

In article ,
"Arny Krueger" wrote:

"Jenn" wrote in message

In article
et,
wrote:

"paul packer" wrote in message
...
On 10 Nov 2005 21:18:08 -0800,
wrote:


Fran=E7ois Yves Le Gal wrote:
On 10 Nov 2005 14:36:08 -0800, "JBColeman"
wrote:

so far I've noticed
nothing like the remarkable reduction in pops, etc
on the vinyl that people have described.

The VPI - or any record cleaning machine - won't
remove clicks and pops.

I may be completely wrong

You're not.

but with years of vinyl experience I
came to the conclusion that the records that have an
intolerable level of clicks have got this way in
pressing. Consequently nothing will change the really
bad ones.

At last someone agrees with me. I've been saying this
on aus.hi-fi for months and getting slapped down. But
it's true, damn it!

Lots of people agree with you but they aren't
vinylphiles and therefore are open to criticising an
inferior medium.

I crack up over the whole LP thing every time I think of
the fact that they consider S.O.T.A. is something with a
rubber band.

Some people care more about sound than the drive system.
Weird, huh?

That would be clearly true of people who aren't vinylphiles.
They are care more about sound quality than perpetuation of
a grundgy, noisy, unreliable legacy medium.

Others differ with your opinion, of course.

On Sun, 13 Nov 2005 04:31:49 GMT, Jenn
wrote:

That would be clearly true of people who aren't vinylphiles.
They are care more about sound quality than perpetuation of
a grundgy, noisy, unreliable legacy medium.

Others differ with your opinion, of course.

One would think that he's talking about the live classical experience,
with all of those coughs, clothes rustling (well, not clothes
*stealing* g) and air conditioner noise. Not to mention the guy
who's always whispering to his date.

And if you're Howard Ferstler, there's that "line in the bathroom"
thing...

"Jenn" wrote in message

In article ,
"Arny Krueger" wrote:

That would be clearly true of people who aren't
vinylphiles. They are care more about sound quality than
perpetuation of a grundgy, noisy, unreliable legacy
medium.

Others differ with your opinion, of course.

That would be a tiny, noisy minority.

In article ,
"Arny Krueger" wrote:

"Jenn" wrote in message

In article ,
"Arny Krueger" wrote:

That would be clearly true of people who aren't
vinylphiles. They are care more about sound quality than
perpetuation of a grundgy, noisy, unreliable legacy
medium.

Others differ with your opinion, of course.

That would be a tiny, noisy minority.

Well, good taste is relatively rare. :-)

Jenn said:

Others differ with your opinion, of course.

That would be a tiny, noisy minority.

Well, good taste is relatively rare. :-)

Arnii Kroofeces wants to prevent you and others from buying, using, and
talking about the best-sounding audio gear. Yammering on this manner
constitutes Mr. ****'s "audio career". ;-)

"Jenn" wrote in message

In article ,
"Arny Krueger" wrote:

"Jenn" wrote in message

In article ,
"Arny Krueger" wrote:

That would be clearly true of people who aren't
vinylphiles. They are care more about sound quality
than perpetuation of a grundgy, noisy, unreliable
legacy medium.

Others differ with your opinion, of course.

That would be a tiny, noisy minority.

Well, good taste is relatively rare. :-)

So are members of the flat earth society.

"Jenn" wrote in message
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In article ,
"Arny Krueger" wrote:

"Jenn" wrote in message

In article ,
"Arny Krueger" wrote:

That would be clearly true of people who aren't
vinylphiles. They are care more about sound quality than
perpetuation of a grundgy, noisy, unreliable legacy
medium.

Others differ with your opinion, of course.

That would be a tiny, noisy minority.

Well, good taste is relatively rare. :-)

"At least" Charlie the Tuna tastes good.
Arny has bad taste AND tastes bad.

"Clyde Slick" wrote in message



Arny has bad taste AND tastes bad.

Stop bragging Art. You've never tasted me, and you never
will.

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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"Clyde Slick" wrote in message



Arny has bad taste AND tastes bad.

Stop bragging Art. You've never tasted me, and you never will.

Sorry Charlie, I'm looking for albacore, not
rottentothecore.

"François Yves Le Gal" wrote in message
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On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 05:53:34 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

Stop bragging Art. You've never tasted me, and you never
will.

Soylent Green, anyone?



That would be more like soylent brown.