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VPI 16.5 record cleaner advice
On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 09:48:36 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote: I think the logic (such as it is - remember entering the world of vinyl involves checking your brain at the door) is that if your old turntable had a platter that rang like the Liberty bell being struck by an 250 pound construction worker weilding an 8 pound sledge, the ringing would amplify record tics and pops. I'm not agreeing or disagreeing since I have no interest in vinyl, but the same thing used to be said of Linn and other top turntables--that they could separate the ticks and pops from the music, put the extraneous noise on a different plane of sound, as it were, so that one could blot it out while listening. I understand this in theory, I've even heard the effect, but it never really helped me come to terms with surface noise. |
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VPI 16.5 record cleaner advice
"paul packer" wrote in message
On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 09:48:36 -0500, "Arny Krueger" wrote: I think the logic (such as it is - remember entering the world of vinyl involves checking your brain at the door) is that if your old turntable had a platter that rang like the Liberty bell being struck by an 250 pound construction worker weilding an 8 pound sledge, the ringing would amplify record tics and pops. I'm not agreeing or disagreeing since I have no interest in vinyl, but the same thing used to be said of Linn and other top turntables--that they could separate the ticks and pops from the music, put the extraneous noise on a different plane of sound, as it were, so that one could blot it out while listening. I understand this in theory, I've even heard the effect, but it never really helped me come to terms with surface noise. Agreed that its difficult or impossible, not to say totally unecessay to come to terms with surface noise. It may be is possible to enter some state of Zen where the mechanical din inherent in vinyl playback is on a different plane than the music, but overpriced turntables aren't a necessity or even that much of a help. |
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VPI 16.5 record cleaner advice
"paul packer" wrote in message ... On 10 Nov 2005 21:18:08 -0800, wrote: Fran=E7ois Yves Le Gal wrote: On 10 Nov 2005 14:36:08 -0800, "JBColeman" wrote: so far I've noticed nothing like the remarkable reduction in pops, etc on the vinyl that people have described. The VPI - or any record cleaning machine - won't remove clicks and pops. I may be completely wrong You're not. but with years of vinyl experience I came to the conclusion that the records that have an intolerable level of clicks have got this way in pressing. Consequently nothing will change the really bad ones. At last someone agrees with me. I've been saying this on aus.hi-fi for months and getting slapped down. But it's true, damn it! Lots of people agree with you but they aren't vinylphiles and therefore are open to criticising an inferior medium. I crack up over the whole LP thing every time I think of the fact that they consider S.O.T.A. is something with a rubber band. |
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VPI 16.5 record cleaner advice
Jenn said: I crack up over the whole LP thing every time I think of the fact that they consider S.O.T.A. is something with a rubber band. Some people care more about sound than the drive system. Weird, huh? Mickey's problem is that he can't keep his snacks alive and kicking inside of a turntable. |
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VPI 16.5 record cleaner advice
"Jenn" wrote in message
In article et, wrote: "paul packer" wrote in message ... On 10 Nov 2005 21:18:08 -0800, wrote: Fran=E7ois Yves Le Gal wrote: On 10 Nov 2005 14:36:08 -0800, "JBColeman" wrote: so far I've noticed nothing like the remarkable reduction in pops, etc on the vinyl that people have described. The VPI - or any record cleaning machine - won't remove clicks and pops. I may be completely wrong You're not. but with years of vinyl experience I came to the conclusion that the records that have an intolerable level of clicks have got this way in pressing. Consequently nothing will change the really bad ones. At last someone agrees with me. I've been saying this on aus.hi-fi for months and getting slapped down. But it's true, damn it! Lots of people agree with you but they aren't vinylphiles and therefore are open to criticising an inferior medium. I crack up over the whole LP thing every time I think of the fact that they consider S.O.T.A. is something with a rubber band. Some people care more about sound than the drive system. Weird, huh? That would be clearly true of people who aren't vinylphiles. They are care more about sound quality than perpetuation of a grundgy, noisy, unreliable legacy medium. |
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VPI 16.5 record cleaner advice
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"Arny Krueger" wrote: "Jenn" wrote in message In article et, wrote: "paul packer" wrote in message ... On 10 Nov 2005 21:18:08 -0800, wrote: Fran=E7ois Yves Le Gal wrote: On 10 Nov 2005 14:36:08 -0800, "JBColeman" wrote: so far I've noticed nothing like the remarkable reduction in pops, etc on the vinyl that people have described. The VPI - or any record cleaning machine - won't remove clicks and pops. I may be completely wrong You're not. but with years of vinyl experience I came to the conclusion that the records that have an intolerable level of clicks have got this way in pressing. Consequently nothing will change the really bad ones. At last someone agrees with me. I've been saying this on aus.hi-fi for months and getting slapped down. But it's true, damn it! Lots of people agree with you but they aren't vinylphiles and therefore are open to criticising an inferior medium. I crack up over the whole LP thing every time I think of the fact that they consider S.O.T.A. is something with a rubber band. Some people care more about sound than the drive system. Weird, huh? That would be clearly true of people who aren't vinylphiles. They are care more about sound quality than perpetuation of a grundgy, noisy, unreliable legacy medium. Others differ with your opinion, of course. |
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VPI 16.5 record cleaner advice
On Sun, 13 Nov 2005 04:31:49 GMT, Jenn
wrote: That would be clearly true of people who aren't vinylphiles. They are care more about sound quality than perpetuation of a grundgy, noisy, unreliable legacy medium. Others differ with your opinion, of course. One would think that he's talking about the live classical experience, with all of those coughs, clothes rustling (well, not clothes *stealing* g) and air conditioner noise. Not to mention the guy who's always whispering to his date. And if you're Howard Ferstler, there's that "line in the bathroom" thing... |
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VPI 16.5 record cleaner advice
"Jenn" wrote in message
In article , "Arny Krueger" wrote: That would be clearly true of people who aren't vinylphiles. They are care more about sound quality than perpetuation of a grundgy, noisy, unreliable legacy medium. Others differ with your opinion, of course. That would be a tiny, noisy minority. |
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In article ,
"Arny Krueger" wrote: "Jenn" wrote in message In article , "Arny Krueger" wrote: That would be clearly true of people who aren't vinylphiles. They are care more about sound quality than perpetuation of a grundgy, noisy, unreliable legacy medium. Others differ with your opinion, of course. That would be a tiny, noisy minority. Well, good taste is relatively rare. :-) |
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Jenn said: Others differ with your opinion, of course. That would be a tiny, noisy minority. Well, good taste is relatively rare. :-) Arnii Kroofeces wants to prevent you and others from buying, using, and talking about the best-sounding audio gear. Yammering on this manner constitutes Mr. ****'s "audio career". ;-) |
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VPI 16.5 record cleaner advice
"Jenn" wrote in message
In article , "Arny Krueger" wrote: "Jenn" wrote in message In article , "Arny Krueger" wrote: That would be clearly true of people who aren't vinylphiles. They are care more about sound quality than perpetuation of a grundgy, noisy, unreliable legacy medium. Others differ with your opinion, of course. That would be a tiny, noisy minority. Well, good taste is relatively rare. :-) So are members of the flat earth society. |
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VPI 16.5 record cleaner advice
"Jenn" wrote in message ... In article , "Arny Krueger" wrote: "Jenn" wrote in message In article , "Arny Krueger" wrote: That would be clearly true of people who aren't vinylphiles. They are care more about sound quality than perpetuation of a grundgy, noisy, unreliable legacy medium. Others differ with your opinion, of course. That would be a tiny, noisy minority. Well, good taste is relatively rare. :-) "At least" Charlie the Tuna tastes good. Arny has bad taste AND tastes bad. |
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VPI 16.5 record cleaner advice
"Clyde Slick" wrote in message
Arny has bad taste AND tastes bad. Stop bragging Art. You've never tasted me, and you never will. |
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VPI 16.5 record cleaner advice
"Arny Krueger" wrote in message . .. "Clyde Slick" wrote in message Arny has bad taste AND tastes bad. Stop bragging Art. You've never tasted me, and you never will. Sorry Charlie, I'm looking for albacore, not rottentothecore. |
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VPI 16.5 record cleaner advice
"François Yves Le Gal" wrote in message ... On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 05:53:34 -0500, "Arny Krueger" wrote: Stop bragging Art. You've never tasted me, and you never will. Soylent Green, anyone? That would be more like soylent brown. |
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