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Pioneer DEH-P840MP, infinity kappa 693.5i and kappa 50.5cs component.
You need an at least 85w amplifier.It will be a lot better.Your stock
speaker sounds better because your head unit can handle the wattage of your stock speakers. -- bakulaw ------------------------------------------------------------------------ CarAudioForum.com - Usenet Gateway w/over one million posts online! View this thread: http://www.caraudioforum.com/vbb2/sh...hreadid=142221 |
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Pioneer DEH-P840MP, infinity kappa 693.5i and kappa 50.5cs component.
Your stock speaker sounds better because your head unit can handle the wattage of your stock speakers. Speakers don't produce power, they absorb it. It sounds better because the HU provides more power to his stock speakers. Paul Vina |
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Pioneer DEH-P840MP, infinity kappa 693.5i and kappa 50.5cs component.
its not power that kills a speaker....to a point...its under driving them
and putting them into DC or square wave....read distortion "Paul Vina" wrote in message news:rDa2b.248850$uu5.55238@sccrnsc04... Your stock speaker sounds better because your head unit can handle the wattage of your stock speakers. Speakers don't produce power, they absorb it. It sounds better because the HU provides more power to his stock speakers. Paul Vina |
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Pioneer DEH-P840MP, infinity kappa 693.5i and kappa 50.5cs component.
Wrong. All a square wave does is show the speaker more power which is what
ultimately will kill it. If it was distortion then most rap and metal would destroy a speaker in seconds. Paul Vina "No Notta" wrote in message ... its not power that kills a speaker....to a point...its under driving them and putting them into DC or square wave....read distortion "Paul Vina" wrote in message news:rDa2b.248850$uu5.55238@sccrnsc04... Your stock speaker sounds better because your head unit can handle the wattage of your stock speakers. Speakers don't produce power, they absorb it. It sounds better because the HU provides more power to his stock speakers. Paul Vina |
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Pioneer DEH-P840MP, infinity kappa 693.5i and kappa 50.5cs component.
its not power that kills a speaker....to a point...its under driving them
and putting them into DC or square wave....read distortion Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Underdriving them will NOT blow them. An amplifier does NOT produce DC when an amp clips or distorts. Alternating DC current does NOT make sense. (Courtesy of Mark for that) Do a little research and dont believe another audio myth. Les |
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Pioneer DEH-P840MP, infinity kappa 693.5i and kappa 50.5cs component.
another expert, when an amp goes into distortion it produces square wave
over tax an amp, makes distortion wrecks speakers, overdrive a speaker with good clean and lots of power they will go above and beyond "Soundfreak03" wrote in message ... its not power that kills a speaker....to a point...its under driving them and putting them into DC or square wave....read distortion Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Underdriving them will NOT blow them. An amplifier does NOT produce DC when an amp clips or distorts. Alternating DC current does NOT make sense. (Courtesy of Mark for that) Do a little research and dont believe another audio myth. Les |
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Pioneer DEH-P840MP, infinity kappa 693.5i and kappa 50.5cs component.
No Notta wrote
another expert, when an amp goes into distortion it produces square wave over tax an amp, makes distortion wrecks speakers, overdrive a speaker with good clean and lots of power they will go above and beyond Are you suggesting that you are another expert, or is that a sarcastic remark aimed at Soundfreak03? The amp will not produce a square wave unless it is being supplied with a square wave signal. As for the whole lack of power/too much power/distortion damages speakers deal, do we really have to fire up another 600 post thread about it? Just search the archives and read the other 600 post threads, then pick your own personal champion from there. For the record, my personal belief is that you should refrain from using 75% of resources available from any part of an electrical or mechanical system (including but not limited to amps and speakers) Technically, there is nothing wrong with running a 125W RMS speaker using a 1500W RMS amplifier, as long as you ensure that you don't exceed ~100W when the system is running. Doesn't make a lot of sense to do that, after all a 125W amp would accomplish the same thing, but hey, whatever floats yer boat. If people want to run their systems at the extreme edge of what the components can handle, they have to be willing to accept the failure of those components. -- Regards, Dan Snooks |
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Pioneer DEH-P840MP, infinity kappa 693.5i and kappa 50.5cs component.
Are you suggesting that you are another expert, or is that a sarcastic
remark aimed at Soundfreak03? I think he aimed that at me, even though he is just another "expert" who believes audio myths that somehow defy physics. BTW: You can just write Les, thats my name, and it much shorter than the other thing Hey if your as lazy as me then it helps Les |
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Pioneer DEH-P840MP, infinity kappa 693.5i and kappa 50.5cs component.
Regarding that statement someone made that distiortion doesn't kill
speakers, it depends on what is distorting and how the distortion manifests. When I say that under powering a speaker is the most common cause of blowing a speaker I am referring to the tendency of some people to turn up an underpowered system to the point that the power amp clips. Typically a musical signal has peaks. When it clips, it has plateaus. It is these full power plateaus that can kill speakers, especially tweeters. I imagine, that with a powerful enough amp, you could kill a sub by pushing the amp into clip mode too. "Soundfreak03" wrote in message ... another expert, when an amp goes into distortion it produces square wave over tax an amp, makes distortion wrecks speakers, overdrive a speaker with good clean and lots of power they will go above and beyond Yes compared to you I am an expert. You are SO VERY WRONG on this. Distortion DOES NOT DESTROY speakers. Plain and simple. That square wave DOES NOT destroy speakers (most of the time) What does blow speakers is overdriving them with lots of power, the very thing you recommend. If you continually put more power than what the speaker can handle THEY WILL BLOW. Square waves do not put out DC, your very wrong on that. A distorted amp does not either. Nor is it bad for speakers inheretly. I can make the most horribly clipped file burn it to a disc and play it on a system for days and it will not blow the speakers, provided I do not exceed thier power limits. So Mr. Expert if you still think that distortion can destroy speakers then lets get into an indepth discussion why. But I get the sneaking feeling you have already spoken the limits of your knowledge. Another "expert" who believes every audio myth. Les |
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Pioneer DEH-P840MP, infinity kappa 693.5i and kappa 50.5cs component.
Regarding that statement someone made that distiortion doesn't kill
speakers, That was me it depends on what is distorting and how the distortion manifests. No it does not. I am gonna repeat this one more time for you guys who believe in audio myths. DISTORTION DOES NOT KILL SPEAKERS. I do not care how it manifests itself it will not destroy speakers. If distortion blew speakers then ALL of our speakers would blow on a weekly basis. When I say that under powering a speaker is the most common cause of blowing a speaker I am referring to the tendency of some people to turn up an underpowered system to the point that the power amp clips. So??? It sounds bad. But even then underpowering did NOT blow the speaker did it? Typically a musical signal has peaks. When it clips, it has plateaus. It is these full power plateaus that can kill speakers, especially tweeters. And how do these "full power plateaus" kill speakers? Do you actually realize the amount of power your actually talking about. Potentially you could send alot of power in SEVERE and extended clipping. I will agree with the tweeter thing to some degree. They are easier to blow than a woofer. I imagine, that with a powerful enough amp, you could kill a sub by pushing the amp into clip mode too. If the amp is capable of putting out more power than the speaker can handle then yes it can blow them. If your amp is equal in power (honestly) to the speaker then clipping may damage it, if it is extended and repeated.. If it is rated the same and you produce prolonged severe clipping then yes you might blow the woofers. BUT the idea that underpowering will do it is incorrect. and the idea that distortion will do it is wrong. What destroys speakers is TOO MUCH POWER. If anyone else like Mark or Eddie could explain better than me then feel free to join in. Maybe I dont explain it right since there is that "expert" that thinks underpowering can destroy a speaker. Les |
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