[Geoff]

Or rather the small metal perforated ring between the body and grille. Does
it do much, and what is the effect if covered with tape to hold grille on
while waiting for replacement retainer clip ?

geoff

"Geoff" wrote in message
...
Or rather the small metal perforated ring between the body and grille.
Does
it do much, and what is the effect if covered with tape to hold grille on
while waiting for replacement retainer clip ?

geoff



Try it and let us know. My bet is it will alter both the frequency response
and particularly the directionality. Use a quick-release not-too-sticky tape
(not duct tape - maybe gaff tape or board tape). Shouldn't hurt much if
you're careful.

Mikey Wozniak
Nova Music Productions
This sig is haiku

[Ray Thomas]

If you keep it low down near the base of the skirt of the grille, say 2-3 mm
width of gaffa tape coverage, and it doesnt cover any holes, I doubt it
would have much deleterious effect. Have you noticed that most grilles of
SM57's are relatively loose anyway, and tend to rattle around on that
mounting....who knows what colouration that adds when its driven into
vibration mode by a loud guitar amp or 2 inches from a snare ? Nobody ever
talks about it, so it can't be too much of an issue perhaps ? Or is the SM57
so much of a sacred cow that nobody dares raise a word of critique about it
?
Ray

"Geoff" wrote in message
...
Or rather the small metal perforated ring between the body and grille.
Does it do much, and what is the effect if covered with tape to hold
grille on while waiting for replacement retainer clip ?

geoff

[Gareth Magennis]

"Geoff" wrote in message
...
Or rather the small metal perforated ring between the body and grille.
Does it do much, and what is the effect if covered with tape to hold
grille on while waiting for replacement retainer clip ?

geoff



Try covering it with tape, you will lose ALL your bass response.



Gareth.

[Don Pearce]

On Fri, 12 Jan 2007 12:50:04 -0000, "Gareth Magennis"
wrote:


"Geoff" wrote in message
m...
Or rather the small metal perforated ring between the body and grille.
Does it do much, and what is the effect if covered with tape to hold
grille on while waiting for replacement retainer clip ?

geoff



Try covering it with tape, you will lose ALL your bass response.



Gareth.


The main thing that happens is that it turns from a cardioid into an
omni. That grill is the rear wave access path.

d

--
Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

[jakdedert]

Geoff wrote:
Or rather the small metal perforated ring between the body and grille. Does
it do much, and what is the effect if covered with tape to hold grille on
while waiting for replacement retainer clip ?

geoff



Unless you've actually lost the ring, I've found that it can usually be
fixed*. If you've lost it, another solution is to use the Shure wind
muff; which attaches with a set screw and holds the grill on.

The fix* involves a dab of solder where the tab on the retainer ring has
broken off. Examine the ring. Halfway around, there's a small notch.
That notch is actually supposed to be a tab which sticks out at right
angle to the ring--but has broken off--when the mic was dropped or
smacked by an errant drumstick.

Heat up your soldering iron, load up the tip with a good deal of solder.
Now, just 'touch' the tip to the notch, drawing away instantly. If
done right, this will leave a 'teardrop' of solder (shaped like a
Hershey's Kiss) at the notch, with a sharp point. That point is your
new tab. Make sure it's actually bonded to the ring....

Reassembling the mic involves using a tiny pair of hemostats to hold the
open ends of the ring closed; then inserting the ring halfway into the
plastic head (locate the hole where your new tab is supposed to fit and
insert); sliding the assembly down over the capsule; and finally--using
the forceps/hemostat--guiding the open ends up under the plastic until
they seat into the hole, on opposite side from the tab. (It's useful to
remove the label, at least over the hole, in order to see from the
outside where the tabs fit.)

I've used this procedure a dozen times over the years and found it to be
a permanent fix.

I've tried inserting the ring completely and popping it down over the
capsule, but usually that breaks off the new tab; although it sometimes
works.

jak

[Laurence Payne]

On Fri, 12 Jan 2007 08:59:58 -0600, jakdedert
wrote:

Heat up your soldering iron, load up the tip with a good deal of solder.
Now, just 'touch' the tip to the notch, drawing away instantly. If
done right, this will leave a 'teardrop' of solder (shaped like a
Hershey's Kiss) at the notch, with a sharp point. That point is your
new tab. Make sure it's actually bonded to the ring....

It won't be, if the ring wasn't heated before applying solder.

[jakdedert]

Laurence Payne wrote:
On Fri, 12 Jan 2007 08:59:58 -0600, jakdedert
wrote:

Heat up your soldering iron, load up the tip with a good deal of solder.
Now, just 'touch' the tip to the notch, drawing away instantly. If
done right, this will leave a 'teardrop' of solder (shaped like a
Hershey's Kiss) at the notch, with a sharp point. That point is your
new tab. Make sure it's actually bonded to the ring....

It won't be, if the ring wasn't heated before applying solder.

There's a 'touch' to it, to be sure. The metal is so thin there, that
it doesn't take a second to get it to stick. The trick is to touch with
the solder itself, not the iron. You don't want it to flow, or you
won't get the necessary sharp point.

OTOH, it's easy to check...and redo if necessary. The difficult part is
to get the opposite end--the two tabs which make the open end--together
into the mating hole.

jak

[Geoff]

jakdedert wrote:
Geoff wrote:
Or rather the small metal perforated ring between the body and
grille. Does it do much, and what is the effect if covered with
tape to hold grille on while waiting for replacement retainer clip ?

geoff



Unless you've actually lost the ring, I've found that it can usually
be fixed*. If you've lost it, another solution is to use the Shure
wind muff; which attaches with a set screw and holds the grill on.

Naa the ring's gone. When the drummer hit it. Found the grille though !

geoff

[Ray Thomas]

Lets admit it.....its a fundamental design flaw in the product, but because
we keep buying them in large numbers and never complain, there is no
incentive for Shure to change their practices.
Ray

"Geoff" wrote in message
...
jakdedert wrote:
Geoff wrote:
Or rather the small metal perforated ring between the body and
grille. Does it do much, and what is the effect if covered with
tape to hold grille on while waiting for replacement retainer clip ?

geoff



Unless you've actually lost the ring, I've found that it can usually
be fixed*. If you've lost it, another solution is to use the Shure
wind muff; which attaches with a set screw and holds the grill on.

Naa the ring's gone. When the drummer hit it. Found the grille though !

geoff

[Mike Rivers]

Geoff wrote:
Naa the ring's gone. When the drummer hit it. Found the grille though !

Ray Thomas wrote:
Lets admit it.....its a fundamental design flaw in the product, but because
we keep buying them in large numbers and never complain, there is no
incentive for Shure to change their practices.

It's a design flaw that the grill assembly breaks when the drummer hits
it? I hope you don't put KM84s on drums. They have the same design flaw
only it costs more to fix the broken part

[hank alrich]

Ray Thomas wrote:

Lets admit it.....its a fundamental design flaw in the product, but because
we keep buying them in large numbers and never complain, there is no
incentive for Shure to change their practices.

So, you do not ever mic drummers, eh?

--
ha
"Iraq" is Arabic for "Vietnam"

[Ray Thomas]

"hank alrich" wrote in message
.. .
Ray Thomas wrote:

Lets admit it.....its a fundamental design flaw in the product, but
because
we keep buying them in large numbers and never complain, there is no
incentive for Shure to change their practices.

So, you do not ever mic drummers, eh?

--
ha
"Iraq" is Arabic for "Vietnam"
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Shure57 as hell I do...and most of the time the mic survives the hits...but
when it doesnt and that damn circlip slips out of place and requires the
convoluted repair procedure that jak outlines above....thats when I start to
question the design integrity. How often do you see a 'field repair with
gaffa tape job' on a 57 that never progresses beyond that "temporary fix" ?
I do....often...hence my rant

Ray

[jakdedert]

Geoff wrote:
jakdedert wrote:
Geoff wrote:
Or rather the small metal perforated ring between the body and
grille. Does it do much, and what is the effect if covered with
tape to hold grille on while waiting for replacement retainer clip ?

geoff



Unless you've actually lost the ring, I've found that it can usually
be fixed*. If you've lost it, another solution is to use the Shure
wind muff; which attaches with a set screw and holds the grill on.

Naa the ring's gone. When the drummer hit it. Found the grille though !

geoff



I always put the muff on for the snare, anyway. It provides a modicum
of protection against stick strikes...at the expense of a little extra size.

If the drummer does hit it hard enough to snap the ring, at least the
foam will contain the parts.

jak

[Geoff]

jakdedert wrote:


I always put the muff on for the snare, anyway. It provides a modicum
of protection against stick strikes...at the expense of a little
extra size.
If the drummer does hit it hard enough to snap the ring, at least the
foam will contain the parts.

Sort of like a mic condom ;-)

geoff