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Jazz Guitar Amp
My trusty old polytone mini brute amp finally broke, and I'd like to
get something else for recording and gigging. I'm playing a Gibson 175 and a Gibson L40 or (L50?) hollow-body with a D' Armand pickup. I'm not up on amps these days. I play classic jazz and hard Bop. Can anyone recommend a good amp for recording and stage work (which will be miked). I'd prefer something not too heavy and around $500 to $700 or less. Thanks |
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Post your query on rec.music.makers.guitar.jazz . You will get lots of
specific recommendations over there. On 19 Oct 2003 00:14:58 -0700, (arizona_tone) wrote: My trusty old polytone mini brute amp finally broke, and I'd like to get something else for recording and gigging. I'm playing a Gibson 175 and a Gibson L40 or (L50?) hollow-body with a D' Armand pickup. I'm not up on amps these days. I play classic jazz and hard Bop. Can anyone recommend a good amp for recording and stage work (which will be miked). I'd prefer something not too heavy and around $500 to $700 or less. Thanks Willie K. Yee, M.D. http://www.bestweb.net/~wkyee Developer of Problem Knowledge Couplers for Psychiatry http://www.pkc.com Webmaster and Guitarist for the Big Blue Big Band http://www.bigbluebigband.org |
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I play jazz guitar, I do home recording. I have a fender super reverb which
has the best sound, but sucks to schlep to gigs and is often noisy for recording, and a polytone mini brute v (i think) which sounds great and is much quieter. my 2 cents. bp "Willie K.Yee, M.D." wrote in message ... Post your query on rec.music.makers.guitar.jazz . You will get lots of specific recommendations over there. On 19 Oct 2003 00:14:58 -0700, (arizona_tone) wrote: My trusty old polytone mini brute amp finally broke, and I'd like to get something else for recording and gigging. I'm playing a Gibson 175 and a Gibson L40 or (L50?) hollow-body with a D' Armand pickup. I'm not up on amps these days. I play classic jazz and hard Bop. Can anyone recommend a good amp for recording and stage work (which will be miked). I'd prefer something not too heavy and around $500 to $700 or less. Thanks Willie K. Yee, M.D. http://www.bestweb.net/~wkyee Developer of Problem Knowledge Couplers for Psychiatry http://www.pkc.com Webmaster and Guitarist for the Big Blue Big Band http://www.bigbluebigband.org |
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I just got a Fender Pro Junior used with that lovely old fender yellow
and brown herringbone cover for $275. They sound wonderful. --------------------------------------- "I know enough to know I don't know enough" |
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"Buster Mudd" wrote in message
om... (arizona_tone) wrote in message . com... A Walter Woods Electracoustic head & a FliteSound cabinet loaded w/ an old JBL D Series 12". Clean, crystal-clear, accurate w/ just a bit of "color", the whole rig weighs less than 20 lbs & fits in a Miata. .... and there happens to be one on Ebay at the moment: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=2565954515 Sean |
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My trusty old polytone mini brute amp finally broke, and I'd like to
get something else for recording and gigging. I'm playing a Gibson 175 and a Gibson L40 or (L50?) hollow-body with a D' Armand pickup. I'm not up on amps these days. I play classic jazz and hard Bop. Can anyone recommend a good amp for recording and stage work (which will be miked). I'd prefer something not too heavy and around $500 to $700 or less. I always thought Polytones were cheaply made, prone to breaking, & only marginal sounding. I see that Kenny Burrell is now playing a higher end Polytone that looks to be considerably better made than the MiniBrute so maybe they're learning something. Soundwise, I never understood the notion of plugging a $5,000 guitar into a $200 amp & then turning the treble all the way off. I'd look at a Fender Deluxe or maybe one of the smaller, less heavy variants of the Roland JC120. Scott Fraser |
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I'm playing a Gibson 175 and a Gibson L40 or (L50?) hollow-body with a
D' Armand pickup. I'm not up on amps these days. I play classic jazz and hard Bop. Can anyone recommend a good amp for recording and stage work (which will be miked). I'd prefer something not too heavy and around $500 to $700 or less. I play a 175 through a Roland JC120 and a little Fender. The Fenders are more the classic sound, and the JC120 (and little siblings) is a bit more contemporary, but still a good straight ahead jazz/bop sound - a little more straight ahead Metheny trio or Scofield Blue Note years than Joe Pass and Herb Ellis. A Fender Princeton Chorus would be somewhere in between, and be portable, versatile, and affordable. That would be worth checking into. Some of the new classic looking fenders like the blues junior sound better with a 335 for blues, and aren't really a 175/L5 bop or trad jazz sound. They're great amps still, but not the style you're looking for in my experience. Vox has some current little and mid sized amps that may fit the bill as well, but a Gibson archtop through a medium sized Fender often seems to be a magic combo. -- Jay Frigoletto Mastersuite Los Angeles promastering.com |
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"Jay - atldigi" wrote in message
... I'm playing a Gibson 175 and a Gibson L40 or (L50?) hollow-body with a D' Armand pickup. I'm not up on amps these days. I play classic jazz and hard Bop. Can anyone recommend a good amp for recording and stage work (which will be miked). I'd prefer something not too heavy and around $500 to $700 or less. I play a 175 through a Roland JC120 and a little Fender. The Fenders are more the classic sound, and the JC120 (and little siblings) is a bit more contemporary, but still a good straight ahead jazz/bop sound - a little more straight ahead Metheny trio or Scofield Blue Note years than The big drawback of the JC series is a very loud hiss, exacerbated if you replace the speakers with better quality ones. I've gone through every type of boutique jazz amp and the $350 Peavey Transtube bandit sound the best to me for jazz... |
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In article , Jack A.
Zucker wrote: "Jay - atldigi" wrote in message ... I'm playing a Gibson 175 and a Gibson L40 or (L50?) hollow-body with a D' Armand pickup. I'm not up on amps these days. I play classic jazz and hard Bop. Can anyone recommend a good amp for recording and stage work (which will be miked). I'd prefer something not too heavy and around $500 to $700 or less. I play a 175 through a Roland JC120 and a little Fender. The Fenders are more the classic sound, and the JC120 (and little siblings) is a bit more contemporary, but still a good straight ahead jazz/bop sound - a little more straight ahead Metheny trio or Scofield Blue Note years than The big drawback of the JC series is a very loud hiss, exacerbated if you replace the speakers with better quality ones. I've gone through every type of boutique jazz amp and the $350 Peavey Transtube bandit sound the best to me for jazz... if you can find them a pearce is amazing sounding for jazz straight ahead or more contemporary. the heads have aa lot of power and are solid state so they don't weigh a ton. for amore traditional sound with a little breakup to it an ac30 is nice |
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Jay - atldigi wrote in message ...
I'm playing a Gibson 175 and a Gibson L40 or (L50?) hollow-body with a D' Armand pickup. I'm not up on amps these days. I play classic jazz and hard Bop. Can anyone recommend a good amp for recording and stage work (which will be miked). I'd prefer something not too heavy and around $500 to $700 or less. I play a 175 through a Roland JC120 and a little Fender. The Fenders are more the classic sound, and the JC120 (and little siblings) is a bit more contemporary, but still a good straight ahead jazz/bop sound - a little more straight ahead Metheny trio or Scofield Blue Note years than Joe Pass and Herb Ellis. A Fender Princeton Chorus would be somewhere in between, and be portable, versatile, and affordable. That would be worth checking into. Some of the new classic looking fenders like the blues junior sound better with a 335 for blues, and aren't really a 175/L5 bop or trad jazz sound. They're great amps still, but not the style you're looking for in my experience. Vox has some current little and mid sized amps that may fit the bill as well, but a Gibson archtop through a medium sized Fender often seems to be a magic combo. I have owned an Evans combo amp..a very nice warm solid state amp but I end up selling it and buying a Fender Deluxe (FAT series) I believe that short for Fender American tube series. I just love the warm true tube tone out of this amp....for a tube amp it is not very heavy,I also own a Fender Blues Junior (the mini me version of the Deluxe) but it does not come close to the tone of the deluxe. You definately need to check this amp out you can buy them new for under 600.The music I play is mostly standards to bop to methenyish type of music that amp gets all those tones but when I do a studio session for a contempoary record it works also.Good luck on your search. Ron Florentine Soundswest Studio |
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Roland Jazz Chorus???? Yuck!!!!!!!!! sorry.
Chris P |
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Why? I heard several Jazz guitarists playing thru it. For Jazz it was real
clean and had plenty of volume room. For Blues I wouldn't recommend it. Too clean. "Don't gimme' no grass and call it greens" OldBluesman |
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Jay F wrote:
I've heard some guys making really great sounds come out of JC120s. Then again, Stern got this killer sound (for his kinf of thing - not a trad jazz sound) out of a Yamaha amp. I swear it was just for show and the real amp was behind the curtain with a mic on it! Never cared for his tone much - his chops that's another story. IMO of course. You never know. I wouldn't say the JC is the only amp to have around. It doesn't replace a Fender by any stretch of the imagination, but it has it's own thing and it's really great sometimes. That's why I (who am actually a piano player first) keep both a Fender and a Roland around. Covers all my bases. -- Jay Frigoletto Mastersuite Los Angeles promastering.com |
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In article , Jay
- atldigi wrote: In article , (BASSMANCP) wrote: Roland Jazz Chorus???? Yuck!!!!!!!!! sorry. Chris P I've heard some guys making really great sounds come out of JC120s. Then again, Stern got this killer sound (for his kinf of thing - not a trad jazz sound) out of a Yamaha amp. I swear it was just for show and the real amp was behind the curtain with a mic on it! You never know. I wouldn't say the JC is the only amp to have around. It doesn't replace a Fender by any stretch of the imagination, but it has it's own thing and it's really great sometimes. That's why I (who am actually a piano player first) keep both a Fender and a Roland around. Covers all my bases. stern usually uses 2 amps one is a pearce with a hartke 4X12 bottom and the other is a yamaha 2X12 combo probably solid state. i think it gets stereo'd at his spx 90. its funny because the pearce is actually a stereo amp but thats how he likes it. i think he gets an amazing sound especially considering the amps. scofield uses a matchless or an ac-30 these days. |
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Jay - atldigi wrote: In article , (BASSMANCP) wrote: Roland Jazz Chorus???? Yuck!!!!!!!!! sorry. Chris P I've heard some guys making really great sounds come out of JC120s. Then again, Stern got this killer sound (for his kinf of thing - not a trad jazz sound) out of a Yamaha amp. I swear it was just for show and the real amp was behind the curtain with a mic on it! When I first saw Stern in the early 80s, he was using Acoustic 134s in stereo. They sounded pretty good (althought that MXR chorus box put it's sound all over the tone). It seemed like a lot to carry around. I wish I had some tapes of those shows, especially with Bill Evans at the Hasty Pudding. Edwin -- Remove the obvious to reply |
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Check this one out: Roland JC-120 Jazz Chorus.
"Don't gimme' no grass and call it greens" OldBluesman |
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arizona_tone wrote:
My trusty old polytone mini brute amp finally broke, and I'd like to get something else for recording and gigging. I'm playing a Gibson 175 and a Gibson L40 or (L50?) hollow-body with a D' Armand pickup. I'm not up on amps these days. I play classic jazz and hard Bop. Can anyone recommend a good amp for recording and stage work (which will be miked). I'd prefer something not too heavy and around $500 to $700 or less. I'd probably buy a reissue Fender Deluxe Reverb. It's about $700, is fairly easy to carry, sounds amazing, and has about the right output power for reasonable stage volume in a "medium size" jazz club. We have one in the studio and use it for a LOT of our guitar overdubs. If you're keeping score at home, make note that the Fender amps that are ACTUAL reissues of real amps that were built "back then" ('65Twin Reverb, '65 Deluxe Reverb, '59 Bassman) tend to be fantastic . But the "faux reissues" (they look retro but are something that never existed, like the Vibro King) or the "updates" (The Twin, aka Evil Twin) are absolute crap. Reliable, but they sound bad. Basically, if you see any modern-looking switches (pushbutton with plastic caps) on the front or rear panels, steer clear. If the switches are all chrome-bat toggles, that's good. I have no idea why they make so many different horrible-sounding retro amps, but they do. It's the same deal with their guitars: The catalog is FILLEd with all these ridiculous variations on the classics that you KNOW are going to be as embarassing in 20 years as the Zodiac amps are today. But they still make the basic standard models just fine. I'm no worshipper at the altar of Classic Rock Conventions, but Fender, as usual, has no clue when it comes to "modernizing" their time-tested designs. Every ten years or so they have some big "back to basics" epiphany and they purge themselves of all the crap. Then it slowly creeps back in and dilutes their brand for another 10 years til it starts all over again. This has been a consistent trend for the last 40 years. Sorry for the rant. Buy a Deluxe. ulysses |
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Justin Ulysses Morse wrote:
arizona_tone wrote: My trusty old polytone mini brute amp finally broke, and I'd like to get something else for recording and gigging. I'm playing a Gibson 175 and a Gibson L40 or (L50?) hollow-body with a D' Armand pickup. I'm not up on amps these days. I play classic jazz and hard Bop. Can anyone recommend a good amp for recording and stage work (which will be miked). I'd prefer something not too heavy and around $500 to $700 or less. I'd probably buy a reissue Fender Deluxe Reverb. It's about $700, is fairly easy to carry, sounds amazing, and has about the right output power for reasonable stage volume in a "medium size" jazz club. We have one in the studio and use it for a LOT of our guitar overdubs. If you're keeping score at home, make note that the Fender amps that are ACTUAL reissues of real amps that were built "back then" ('65Twin Reverb, '65 Deluxe Reverb, '59 Bassman) tend to be fantastic . But the "faux reissues" (they look retro but are something that never existed, like the Vibro King) or the "updates" (The Twin, aka Evil Twin) are absolute crap. Reliable, but they sound bad. Basically, if you see any modern-looking switches (pushbutton with plastic caps) on the front or rear panels, steer clear. If the switches are all chrome-bat toggles, that's good. I have no idea why they make so many different horrible-sounding retro amps, but they do. It's the same deal with their guitars: The catalog is FILLEd with all these ridiculous variations on the classics that you KNOW are going to be as embarassing in 20 years as the Zodiac amps are today. But they still make the basic standard models just fine. I'm no worshipper at the altar of Classic Rock Conventions, but Fender, as usual, has no clue when it comes to "modernizing" their time-tested designs. Every ten years or so they have some big "back to basics" epiphany and they purge themselves of all the crap. Then it slowly creeps back in and dilutes their brand for another 10 years til it starts all over again. This has been a consistent trend for the last 40 years. Sorry for the rant. Buy a Deluxe. Ever try a Champ12? Late eighties all tube 6L6 12 watt amp. Has one of the best built in distortions I have come across. Aside from using "champ" in the name, it isn't really trying to be anything vintage. Try one if you can. Rob R. |
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I'm a bit of a snob about amps and I have a bunch of tube amps but if I'm
gonna play jazz all night (not a tux thing but a real pre Beatles kinda jazz gig) I'll take my Ampeg B-50 bass amp. Tiny, light, loud and I paid $200 for it and I've seen em on eBay for not much more. Great studio bass amp too. I don't remember ever liking a solid state amp this much, ever. I have never had the opportunity to play a Standel but that's what Wes played most of the time. I wouldn't be surprised if the amp had little to do with his tone though. Don "arizona_tone" wrote in message om... My trusty old polytone mini brute amp finally broke, and I'd like to get something else for recording and gigging. I'm playing a Gibson 175 and a Gibson L40 or (L50?) hollow-body with a D' Armand pickup. I'm not up on amps these days. I play classic jazz and hard Bop. Can anyone recommend a good amp for recording and stage work (which will be miked). I'd prefer something not too heavy and around $500 to $700 or less. Thanks |
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Man this was good info. Just for info I play Jazz/Blues harmonica and I play
thru a 1946 Gibson BR3. I let a jazz guitarists play thru it. It sounded so good the guy was wanting to buy my amp on the spot. "Don't gimme' no grass and call it greens" OldBluesman |
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