[Patrick Turner]

On Jun 21, 6:46*am, Bret L wrote:
I know there are those who like to sing the praises of USA productions
of anything and everything. Sadly, the ppl of the USA don't all sing
the same tune at all and it is why Detroit is so quiet, and why
Japanese car makers have outsmarted americans. It should not have been
possible. I believe the WE300B is a nice tube, and I don't believe it
is superior sounding to all other 300B because it all depends on the
application more than the brand or country of manufacture. And it
should be priced -20dB lower. *The 300B is a damn simple ****er to
make. You have anode, grid, and cathode, only 4 pins, and large simple
engineering clearances, so why isn't production cost $5 a pce so
that by the time it retails the price is no more than USD $40?

Patrick Turner.

*The US like most other countries built both **** and masterpieces. WE
tubes were good but commercial production eclipsed them for common
types in the 50s and early 60s just as a car engine is more reliable
than an aircraft engine today because of production numbers. WE did
make some exotic types which had capabilities outside normal
production but little that would be relevant to audio in fact.

*All the low to medium mu audio triode power tubes are among the
simpler types to make, 300B, 2A3, 45, et al.

*The original "Twiode ****s" as I call them-a cult started by Bob
Fulton, who actually had a mental illness that caused him to "hear in
colors"-eschewed the 300B in fact.

The ailment you mention is synesthesia where the senses get mixed. I
have an audiophile customer who sees colours coming from speakers
while he listens. It seems it is endlessly fascinating for him.


*The Japanese car makers never outSMARTED Detroit, they outworked
them. They put *more time and build cost into details in a small car
and when fuel skyrocketed they were available and reliable. That was
back in the 70s and there were still a lot of people alive who would
have no dealings with a Japanese car due to WWII. I remember this
well. The Japanese cars also had bad rust issues outside of California
and other mild climate states.

Well, I agree with much of what you are saying. The early Jap Crap was
just crap, but they quickly improved and became innovative, and many
of their small cars were much better than anything Ford or GM made in
the Oz factories.
But I never bought one. My first major motoring puchase was a BMW R75
motorcycle. I ddn't have agrudge against the jerries. Then later I had
an old Alfa Romeo Guila for a year, then a Holden panel van, then a
Holden ute for 22 years.
I now drive a 1986 Ford Laser 1.6L. Bloody thing has trouble warming
itself up and it misses and runs like a hairy goat for 20
minutes....maybe something is wrong with the auto choke, but the
manual I have is very uninformative. Much of the car has parts equal
to Mazda bits....and after 24 years and 106,000km its about time
something began got a little wrong.
I got it free from my old mum when she stopped driving at 86. There is
no rust in it anywhere.

I remember the way many WW2 veterans HATED Japan for ****ing up their
life. One guy just would not buy anything Japanese. This made life
more difficult for him and us young blokes used to taunt old George by
explaining how Japanese materials had found their way into things he
DID buy. But George swore vocerferously at the traffic all the time
while he drove anywhere. He was a very taciturn man, and even his
laconic humour wasn't funny. But he was a very fine carpenter and
joiner, and apart from wingeing all the time about nearly everything,
he was actually a very good man. He'd spent WW2 working extraordinary
hours making PT boats out of plywood. Nobody actually shot at him
beween 39 and 45. he died at 60 from cancer which probably came from
his work environment in the boatyards.

At that time in the late 1960s Jap products flooded in like Chinese
stuff now floods in.

Meanwhile, quite a few guys of my post WW2 generation married Japanese
girls. One I knew well had a father who was away in the Navy for 4
years fighting the *******s. A cousin of mine in the merchant navy
married a high class Jap girl. He'd roamed all around the Pacific on
ships and he knew where the best sheilas were. He knew he didn't have
to worry about his wife ****in some other count while he was away.
They then made far better wives than most Oz girls fulla bull**** from
Hollywood. The progeny of such marriages incorporated the best of both
worlds, very intelligent good looking well behaved people.

Wars are most easily forgiven and forgotten by following generations.

Patrick Turner.

[Bret L]

On Jun 21, 8:20*am, Patrick Turner wrote:
On Jun 21, 6:46*am, Bret L ixtarbru...@yah

Wars are most easily forgiven and forgotten by following generations.

Patrick Turner.

Then again, Paul Tibbets was a loyal Toyota customer the last twenty
plus years of his life.

[Patrick Turner]

On Jun 24, 9:25*am, Bret L wrote:
On Jun 21, 8:20*am, Patrick Turner wrote:

On Jun 21, 6:46*am, Bret L ixtarbru...@yah

Wars are most easily forgiven and forgotten by following generations.

Patrick Turner.

*Then again, Paul Tibbets was a loyal Toyota customer the last twenty
plus years of his life.

But what a dilemna for Paul.

No many of us would have handled his part in ending WW2 with such calm
although we may never know how he really felt.
'Tis said he had no regrets about dropping the Bomb.

But there were in fact hundreds of guys who had to handle the same
problem Paul had. There were all the other guys flying planes and
killing thousands of ppl below them with high explosives and
incindiaries even though many of of the aircrew and the innocent
people below hated their countries leaders for the mess the world was
in.

I think Dresden was despicable action, considering Germany was just
about ****ed. It was said the poms done it to show Russia what power
the allies really had, but no reason justifies carnage of the
innocents.

By 1955, West Germany was making more steel than Britain. Most people
get over **** happening, eventually, if wages are high enough, and you
can buy something with the wages.

But of course after WW2, other **** happened with Korea. Then Vietnam
came along but by then a sizable portion of everyone were not going to
be fooled by governments crying about a big wolf when really there
were just a very keen few rat-like communists who just wished to be
left alone to fight their civil war. You just can't send young men off
to die like you used to. But there still are plenty of volunteers, and
we have a team of them in Afghanistan up against an enemy who are not
so keen to cave in to western nation wishes soon or anytime during the
next 1,000 years. These folk ain't like the Japs or the Gerries who
knew a good surrender when they saw one. Of course while the Ghan
****fight continues it has become apparent that Ghan is riddled with
mountain fulls of extremely rare and hugely valuable minerals which
the West would like to grab without giving more than a handshake to
the dirty filthy Ghanies who are getting along by growing the USA
supply of heroin. Maybe there's more wealth under Ghan than under Oz.

Meanwhile, we lost a Prime minister today. Then we gained his
replacement as ordered by the Labor Party of Oz. He now have Julia
Gillard, first woman Prime Minister.
To my american friends this must look a bit strange. Oz is roughly the
same size as California, except we don't have the same debt problems.
So all of Oz with its 7 states and territories is about equal to 1
state of the Union.
Anyway, imagine some backroom party hatchet men sneeking up behind
your Arnie and putting the knife in and saying, "bud, youse through,
and we have an election winning replacement.." But that's what
happened here today. Kevin Rudd was knocked down by the party hacks
acting in concert with the media and the mining barons who decided
that taxing a nations wealth just a bit more to help make ends meet
was all too silly and may lead to ruination, despite the likelyhood
that the miners would never go broke from the tax. Things might be
different now we have Mother Gillard in charge but lemme tellya, its
just the same horse now with a different jockey. I think the Greens
will so very well in the election that is due in the next 6 months.

Unfortunately Mother Gillard will never change the world so that if I
wanted to set up a tube making factory down the road in a nearby
industrial estate I would not be able to without being ruined
completely by Chinese competition and Red Tape from Government
Regulations, and Big Business pointing out the error of my ways.

So it would be some considerable time before I could chisel some new
chapters into the bottom vacant part on the Rosetta Stone so that a
continuing story could be told.

Patrick Turner.

[Bret L]

In my opinion, Dresden was not justified, although Hiroshima was, and
that had nothing whatsoever to do with race. Arguably Nagasaki could
have been prevented, but we weren't the ones that had to make that
decision. I don't begrudge Truman.

Germany was already defeated: Japan was still determined to fight to
the death of every last Japanese. And they would have. Nuclear weapons
saved the Japanese as a people, albeit against their will. A land
invasion would have effectively exterminated them. And the Allies
weren't going to accept a negotiated truce, even though it was the
Allies-particularly that beast FDR-who had systematically goaded the
Japanese into the war so they could have the political backing for the
European war in the US.

No nation wanting to maintain a First World standard of living is
going to put the Greens in charge. Not for long.


The Afghans would be in bad shape if the West were still ascendant:
we would subjugate them and take their minerals and in the process
flatten the mountain ranges that keep them insular and isolated,
ending millennia of this sort of existence. But we are in decadent
decline, and so it will probably the Chinese who do, and they will be
even worse. After all the only successful subjugator of Afghanistan
was Genghis Khan, who built a 600 foot tall pyramid of heads.

Britain put itself out of world class manufacturing and out of
empire, and the US is doing the same. We never had quite the vicious
beasts like Scargill of course, but the end result is the same. I
don't want to seem as though I understand more about Australia than I
do, but that small (in terms of ecumene-everyone lives on the coasts)
island has had essentially socialist governance for a long time, and
the tall poppies have all emigrated. Australia could be enormously
successful if the right mentality gained control, though, and someday
it might.