I am looking to purchase a shotgun microphone for my TRV900 and have
not found too much comparative information on the Internet
(http://www.lafcpug.org/review_shotgun_mic.html).

What I have looked at: Azden SGM-2X and the Audio-Technica AT835B.
The nheiser K-6/ME-66/ME-67 is too rich for my blood.

Does anyone have any recommendations?

Note: I am a weekend video warrior looking to shoot the occasional
wedding, retirement party, etc..

Thank you,

Mark E. Malindog wrote:
I am looking to purchase a shotgun microphone for my TRV900 and have
not found too much comparative information on the Internet
(http://www.lafcpug.org/review_shotgun_mic.html).

There is no such thing as a decent shotgun, there are only useable
ones.

What I have looked at: Azden SGM-2X and the Audio-Technica AT835B.
The nheiser K-6/ME-66/ME-67 is too rich for my blood.

Does anyone have any recommendations?

How about a used 416? It'll beat out the ME-66 junk by a long shot and
you can find them used at reasonable prices.

Note: I am a weekend video warrior looking to shoot the occasional
wedding, retirement party, etc..

You probably don't want a shotgun at all, then. I'd get a good hypercardioid
first, and then maybe invest in a shotgun later for those occasional shots
where it's useful.

But honestly, the boom alone is going to cost you what the ME-66 will....
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

In Article ,
(Mark E. Malindog) wrote:
I am looking to purchase a shotgun microphone for my TRV900 and have
not found too much comparative information on the Internet
(http://www.lafcpug.org/review_shotgun_mic.html).

What I have looked at: Azden SGM-2X and the Audio-Technica AT835B.
The nheiser K-6/ME-66/ME-67 is too rich for my blood.

Does anyone have any recommendations?

Note: I am a weekend video warrior looking to shoot the occasional
wedding, retirement party, etc..

Thank you,


Hi Mark,

Are you sure you want a shotgun? It won't let you get 20 feet away and
record great dialog. Most shotguns don't want to be more than 4-6 feet from
dialog.

There's not much in the market worth your trouble below the AT835B.

Regards,

Ty Ford

For Ty Ford V/O demos, audio services and equipment reviews,
click on http://www.jagunet.com/~tford

Look into a wireless mic and portable reciever.

"Mark E. Malindog" wrote in message
om...
I am looking to purchase a shotgun microphone for my TRV900 and have
not found too much comparative information on the Internet
(http://www.lafcpug.org/review_shotgun_mic.html).

What I have looked at: Azden SGM-2X and the Audio-Technica AT835B.
The nheiser K-6/ME-66/ME-67 is too rich for my blood.

Does anyone have any recommendations?

Note: I am a weekend video warrior looking to shoot the occasional
wedding, retirement party, etc..

Thank you,

"Charles Robertson, Psy.D." wrote in message
...
Look into a wireless mic and portable reciever.


AT makes a wireless set-up for camcorders called the Pro 88W that might suit
your needs.

Bill Balmer

Subject: Decent shotgun microphone
From: "William Balmer"
Date: Wed, Jul 9, 2003 9:05 AM
Message-id:


"Charles Robertson, Psy.D." wrote in message
...
Look into a wireless mic and portable reciever.


AT makes a wireless set-up for camcorders called the Pro 88W that might
suit
your needs.

Bill Balmer


The noise levels on that system are pretty high, but in its defense, it is two
channel so that if one frequency is getting stepped on, the other may be ok.

I wouldn't trust any wireless in a wedding.

You've got one shot and that's it.

Richard H. Kuschel
"I canna change the law of physics."-----Scotty

(Ty Ford) wrote in message ...
In Article ,
(Mark E. Malindog) wrote:
I am looking to purchase a shotgun microphone for my TRV900 and have
not found too much comparative information on the Internet
(http://www.lafcpug.org/review_shotgun_mic.html).

What I have looked at: Azden SGM-2X and the Audio-Technica AT835B.
The nheiser K-6/ME-66/ME-67 is too rich for my blood.

Does anyone have any recommendations?

Note: I am a weekend video warrior looking to shoot the occasional
wedding, retirement party, etc..

Thank you,


Hi Mark,

Are you sure you want a shotgun? It won't let you get 20 feet away and
record great dialog. Most shotguns don't want to be more than 4-6 feet from
dialog.

There's not much in the market worth your trouble below the AT835B.

Regards,

Ty Ford

For Ty Ford V/O demos, audio services and equipment reviews,
click on http://www.jagunet.com/~tford


Ty,
Thank you for your recent reply to my posting. In you reply you
stated a shotgun microphone such as the Azden or Audio-Technica only
have a 4' - 7'. Is that really true? I just assumed that I would be
able to pick up sounds from a greater distance due to it's accuracy
(range).

Thanks.

Mark E. Malindog wrote:

Thank you for your recent reply to my posting. In you reply you
stated a shotgun microphone such as the Azden or Audio-Technica only
have a 4' - 7'. Is that really true? I just assumed that I would be
able to pick up sounds from a greater distance due to it's accuracy
(range).

A shotgun has no more "range" and a lot less "accuracy" than a typical
conventional microphone. What it has is a very tight pattern at high
frequencies, at the expense of a wider pattern at low frequencies and really
crappy off-axis response.

This makes it a good tool when you want to reduce the amount of room
sound, compared with a good hypercardioid. But it doesn't change placement
much, and when you're working outside where there isn't much room sound,
it's a total loss.

It's a handy tool to have in the kit now and then but it's not something
I pull out very often.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

Mark E. Malindog wrote:

I just assumed that I would be able to pick up sounds from a
greater distance due to it's accuracy (range).

Mark,

Please believe what Ty Ford and Scott Dorsey are telling you.

A shotgun microphone is just a hypercardioid with a long tube in front
of it, which narrows the pickup pattern for sound wavelengths shorter
than the tube, i.e. at high frequencies only. The longer the tube, the
greater the range of frequencies at which the pattern is narrowed. It
takes a tube about two feet long before the entire midrange is covered.

However, the narrowed high-frequency response is irregular at different
angles of sound incidence. So sound sources which aren't directly on
axis often sound "spitty" and harsh, even though their level is reduced;
and it's rarely reduced enough to be non-disturbing.

Plus the longer the tube, the farther the actual capsule--the point of
actual sound pickup--is from the tip of the tube. But what determines
clarity is the distance from the sound source to the _capsule_, not the
distance from the source to the front of the _tube_. If a small, highly
directional microphone without a shotgun tube could be placed that much
closer to the desired sound source than a shotgun microphone could (as is
often the case), the resulting pickup would be much cleaner, particularly
when there are many other sound sources in the room simultaneously.

Let me suggest a different emphasis. If you're going to record in noisy
surroundings where many people are talking at once, it's imperative to
record and play back in stereo. That lets the listeners' brains select
one conversation over another, and suppress unwanted sounds, to a degree
that mono recording never can.

Stereo shotgun microphones exist, and may be a useful choice for you--but
I think you'll find that their stereo aspect carries most of the burden
of making individual sounds or conversations intelligible, while enhanced
directionality contributes only a smaller part of the net effect.

--best regards

Scott Dorsey wrote:

A shotgun has no more "range" and a lot less "accuracy" than a typical
conventional microphone. What it has is a very tight pattern at high
frequencies, at the expense of a wider pattern at low frequencies and really
crappy off-axis response.

This makes it a good tool when you want to reduce the amount of room
sound, compared with a good hypercardioid. But it doesn't change placement
much, and when you're working outside where there isn't much room sound,
it's a total loss.

There are plenty of outdoor scenes where a really long shotgun (with a
really long pole and a really long zeppelin and some really strong arms)
is just the ticket.


There's a new Sanken short shotgun (CS-1) that might be just the ticket
but it's likely to cost a bit more than the K6/ME66 does.

Decent shotgun microphone

Group: rec.audio.pro Date: Thu, Jul 10, 2003, 3:57pm (EDT-3) From:
(Kurt=A0Albershardt)

SNIP

There's a new Sanken short shotgun (CS-1) that might be just the ticket
but it's likely to cost a bit more than the K6/ME66 does.

Sanken CS-1 $750 msrp

Eric