A friend of mine recommended the Turtle Beach Santa Cruz audio card... but
he's not someone I would take seriously, so I figured it wouldn't hurt to
come and ask here.

How does this card compare to Echo or M-Audio cards?

And aren't Turtle Beach cards severely outdated?

Here are Arny's tests. It doesn't look quite that bad to my untrained
eyes/ears:
http://www.pcavtech.com/soundcards/compare/index.htm
--
Phil Wilson

"W. Forsk" wrote in message
...
A friend of mine recommended the Turtle Beach Santa Cruz audio card... but
he's not someone I would take seriously, so I figured it wouldn't hurt to
come and ask here.

How does this card compare to Echo or M-Audio cards?

And aren't Turtle Beach cards severely outdated?

Here are Arny's tests. It doesn't look quite that bad to my untrained
eyes/ears:
http://www.pcavtech.com/soundcards/compare/index.htm
--
Phil Wilson

"W. Forsk" wrote in message
...
A friend of mine recommended the Turtle Beach Santa Cruz audio card... but
he's not someone I would take seriously, so I figured it wouldn't hurt to
come and ask here.

How does this card compare to Echo or M-Audio cards?

And aren't Turtle Beach cards severely outdated?

On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 11:15:27 -0400, "W. Forsk"
wrote:

A friend of mine recommended the Turtle Beach Santa Cruz audio card... but
he's not someone I would take seriously, so I figured it wouldn't hurt to
come and ask here.

How does this card compare to Echo or M-Audio cards?

And aren't Turtle Beach cards severely outdated?

Until recently it was perhaps the cheapest 2 (stereo) in, 2 out
solution. Computer musicians will care that there are no ASIO or
GSIF drivers, computer recordists may not.

It would have to be offered at a VERY good price to be attractive
today, IMO.

CubaseFAQ www.laurencepayne.co.uk/CubaseFAQ.htm
"Possibly the world's least impressive web site": George Perfect

On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 11:15:27 -0400, "W. Forsk"
wrote:

A friend of mine recommended the Turtle Beach Santa Cruz audio card... but
he's not someone I would take seriously, so I figured it wouldn't hurt to
come and ask here.

How does this card compare to Echo or M-Audio cards?

And aren't Turtle Beach cards severely outdated?

Until recently it was perhaps the cheapest 2 (stereo) in, 2 out
solution. Computer musicians will care that there are no ASIO or
GSIF drivers, computer recordists may not.

It would have to be offered at a VERY good price to be attractive
today, IMO.

CubaseFAQ www.laurencepayne.co.uk/CubaseFAQ.htm
"Possibly the world's least impressive web site": George Perfect

"Laurence Payne" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 11:15:27 -0400, "W. Forsk"
wrote:

A friend of mine recommended the Turtle Beach Santa Cruz audio card... but
he's not someone I would take seriously, so I figured it wouldn't hurt to
come and ask here.

How does this card compare to Echo or M-Audio cards?

And aren't Turtle Beach cards severely outdated?

Until recently it was perhaps the cheapest 2 (stereo) in, 2 out
solution. Computer musicians will care that there are no ASIO or
GSIF drivers, computer recordists may not.

It would have to be offered at a VERY good price to be attractive
today, IMO.

I just did a quick search and found that a new Turtle Beach Santa Cruz last
sold for $40 at Amazon.com.

It also seems to be 16-bit.

Seems like just another SoundBlaster to me.

"Laurence Payne" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 11:15:27 -0400, "W. Forsk"
wrote:

A friend of mine recommended the Turtle Beach Santa Cruz audio card... but
he's not someone I would take seriously, so I figured it wouldn't hurt to
come and ask here.

How does this card compare to Echo or M-Audio cards?

And aren't Turtle Beach cards severely outdated?

Until recently it was perhaps the cheapest 2 (stereo) in, 2 out
solution. Computer musicians will care that there are no ASIO or
GSIF drivers, computer recordists may not.

It would have to be offered at a VERY good price to be attractive
today, IMO.

I just did a quick search and found that a new Turtle Beach Santa Cruz last
sold for $40 at Amazon.com.

It also seems to be 16-bit.

Seems like just another SoundBlaster to me.

"W. Forsk" wrote in message


A friend of mine recommended the Turtle Beach Santa Cruz audio
card... but he's not someone I would take seriously, so I figured it
wouldn't hurt to come and ask here.

How does this card compare to Echo or M-Audio cards?

Very acceptable, but somewhat lower quality for a lot less money.

You can listen to straight-wire bypass tests of this card by downloading
files from http://www.pcabx.com/product/santa_cruz/index.htm .

And aren't Turtle Beach cards severely outdated?

In some sense, perhaps.

Again, a the TBSC is a LOT less money than the other alternatives. Also, its
a 4 analog-in, 4 analog-out card, while the low cost Echo and M-Audio cards
are only 2-in, 2-out.

"W. Forsk" wrote in message


A friend of mine recommended the Turtle Beach Santa Cruz audio
card... but he's not someone I would take seriously, so I figured it
wouldn't hurt to come and ask here.

How does this card compare to Echo or M-Audio cards?

Very acceptable, but somewhat lower quality for a lot less money.

You can listen to straight-wire bypass tests of this card by downloading
files from http://www.pcabx.com/product/santa_cruz/index.htm .

And aren't Turtle Beach cards severely outdated?

In some sense, perhaps.

Again, a the TBSC is a LOT less money than the other alternatives. Also, its
a 4 analog-in, 4 analog-out card, while the low cost Echo and M-Audio cards
are only 2-in, 2-out.

On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 08:42:07 -0400, "Michael C. Monroe"
wrote:


I just did a quick search and found that a new Turtle Beach Santa Cruz last
sold for $40 at Amazon.com.

It also seems to be 16-bit.

Seems like just another SoundBlaster to me.

Don't forget it's 4-in, 4-out.

CubaseFAQ www.laurencepayne.co.uk/CubaseFAQ.htm
"Possibly the world's least impressive web site": George Perfect

On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 08:42:07 -0400, "Michael C. Monroe"
wrote:


I just did a quick search and found that a new Turtle Beach Santa Cruz last
sold for $40 at Amazon.com.

It also seems to be 16-bit.

Seems like just another SoundBlaster to me.

Don't forget it's 4-in, 4-out.

CubaseFAQ www.laurencepayne.co.uk/CubaseFAQ.htm
"Possibly the world's least impressive web site": George Perfect

On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 14:39:01 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"W. Forsk" wrote in message


And aren't Turtle Beach cards severely outdated?

In some sense, perhaps.

An important, relevant question might be, can you get drivers for
it for all the usual OS'es, and especially the OS you're going to use
with this card?

Again, a the TBSC is a LOT less money than the other alternatives. Also, its
a 4 analog-in, 4 analog-out card, while the low cost Echo and M-Audio cards
are only 2-in, 2-out.


-----
http://mindspring.com/~benbradley

On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 14:39:01 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"W. Forsk" wrote in message


And aren't Turtle Beach cards severely outdated?

In some sense, perhaps.

An important, relevant question might be, can you get drivers for
it for all the usual OS'es, and especially the OS you're going to use
with this card?

Again, a the TBSC is a LOT less money than the other alternatives. Also, its
a 4 analog-in, 4 analog-out card, while the low cost Echo and M-Audio cards
are only 2-in, 2-out.


-----
http://mindspring.com/~benbradley

"Ben Bradley" wrote in message
news
And aren't Turtle Beach cards severely outdated?

An important, relevant question might be, can you get drivers for
it for all the usual OS'es, and especially the OS you're going to use
with this card?

If your using Win XP, then no real problems for a couple more years at
least.

TonyP.

"Ben Bradley" wrote in message
news
And aren't Turtle Beach cards severely outdated?

An important, relevant question might be, can you get drivers for
it for all the usual OS'es, and especially the OS you're going to use
with this card?

If your using Win XP, then no real problems for a couple more years at
least.

TonyP.

On 2004-09-26, W. Forsk wrote:



A friend of mine recommended the Turtle Beach Santa Cruz audio card...

It's an 18 bit card that you can probably get for $20. I sure as hell
wouldn't pay more than that. It's a good consumer card. Just "good".

I have one that I could never use, no ASIO driver (except ASIO4ALL),
and serious latency problems.

I don't understand why so many people try to do everything in their
power to avoid getting a Delta card...

"james of tucson" wrote in message
atory.com...
On 2004-09-26, W. Forsk wrote:



A friend of mine recommended the Turtle Beach Santa Cruz audio card...

It's an 18 bit card that you can probably get for $20. I sure as hell
wouldn't pay more than that. It's a good consumer card. Just "good".

I have one that I could never use, no ASIO driver (except ASIO4ALL),
and serious latency problems.

I don't understand why so many people try to do everything in their
power to avoid getting a Delta card...

The SC is the highest spec card (and most recent) that can carry a
WaveBlaster header synth such as the venerable Yammie DB50XG. That synth
just always works straight off , if you have a use for GM or XG midi backing
tracks.

geoff

james of tucson wrote:

On 2004-09-26, W. Forsk wrote:



A friend of mine recommended the Turtle Beach Santa Cruz audio card...


It's an 18 bit card that you can probably get for $20. I sure as hell
wouldn't pay more than that. It's a good consumer card. Just "good".

I have one that I could never use, no ASIO driver (except ASIO4ALL),
and serious latency problems.

I don't understand why so many people try to do everything in their
power to avoid getting a Delta card...


It's really a 16 bit card that uses 18 bits to more accurately produce
those 16 bits of data.

CD

On 2004-11-10, Codifus wrote:

It's really a 16 bit card that uses 18 bits to more accurately produce
those 16 bits of data.

$20. Notable for having four input channels, which is cool, and for
being total *******s to the ALSA project, which is NOT cool.

It's a good card for a a gamer or a theare box, might even be one of the
better consumer cards in the price range.

james of tucson wrote in
atory.com:

$20. Notable ... for
being total *******s to the ALSA project, which is NOT cool.

Don't know anything about this. I worked at TB briefly while they were
introducing the Fiji and Pinnacle ISA cards ('94 time frame). Right before
they merged with Voyetra.

Way back in the day (even before I worked there) I think they had a good
reputation in the "developer community", though I'd have to imagine that
the community itself has changed quite a bit. By this time all that's
needed to implement a sound card is a chip maker's reference design, no?

"Drily Lit Raga" wrote in message
9.11...
james of tucson wrote in
atory.com:

$20. Notable ... for
being total *******s to the ALSA project, which is NOT cool.

Don't know anything about this. I worked at TB briefly while they were
introducing the Fiji and Pinnacle ISA cards ('94 time frame). Right
before
they merged with Voyetra.

Way back in the day (even before I worked there) I think they had a good
reputation in the "developer community", though I'd have to imagine that
the community itself has changed quite a bit. By this time all that's
needed to implement a sound card is a chip maker's reference design, no?

For those who don't know, Turtle Beach has the first "pro" quality
soundcards for general sale in PC land. First the Multisound , then the
Tahiti/Monterey, and then the Pinnacle/Fiji before sale to Voyetra.

Are you still in touch with Peter Haller - he's been at Sony (Sonic Foundry)
ever since TB.

geoff

"Drily Lit Raga" wrote in message
9.11...
james of tucson wrote in
atory.com:

$20. Notable ... for
being total *******s to the ALSA project, which is NOT cool.

Don't know anything about this. I worked at TB briefly while they were
introducing the Fiji and Pinnacle ISA cards ('94 time frame). Right
before
they merged with Voyetra.

Way back in the day (even before I worked there) I think they had a good
reputation in the "developer community", though I'd have to imagine that
the community itself has changed quite a bit. By this time all that's
needed to implement a sound card is a chip maker's reference design, no?

For those who don't know, Turtle Beach has the first "pro" quality
soundcards for general sale in PC land. First the Multisound , then the
Tahiti/Monterey, and then the Pinnacle/Fiji before sale to Voyetra.

Are you still in touch with Peter Haller - he's been at Sony (Sonic Foundry)
ever since TB.

geoff

On 2004-11-10, Drily Lit Raga wrote:


james of tucson wrote in
atory.com:

$20. Notable ... for
being total *******s to the ALSA project, which is NOT cool.

Don't know anything about this. I worked at TB briefly while they were
introducing the Fiji and Pinnacle ISA cards ('94 time frame). Right before
they merged with Voyetra.

Hey, I didn't mean to cast aspersions on how anyone makes his living.
I'm just expressing my bewilderment that, today, anybody bothers to buy
anything other than a Delta card. It's almost as if people want to go
out of their way, to do whatever it takes to avoid buying a Delta card.
I think it's kind of funny. I love my 1010. I love the 2-channel card
it replaced.

But there's a lot I don't know about this stuff, so maybe I'm naieve.
Really happy with my Delta though :-)

On 2004-11-10, Drily Lit Raga wrote:


james of tucson wrote in
atory.com:

$20. Notable ... for
being total *******s to the ALSA project, which is NOT cool.

Don't know anything about this. I worked at TB briefly while they were
introducing the Fiji and Pinnacle ISA cards ('94 time frame). Right before
they merged with Voyetra.

Hey, I didn't mean to cast aspersions on how anyone makes his living.
I'm just expressing my bewilderment that, today, anybody bothers to buy
anything other than a Delta card. It's almost as if people want to go
out of their way, to do whatever it takes to avoid buying a Delta card.
I think it's kind of funny. I love my 1010. I love the 2-channel card
it replaced.

But there's a lot I don't know about this stuff, so maybe I'm naieve.
Really happy with my Delta though :-)

On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 07:26:04 GMT, james of tucson
wrote:


Hey, I didn't mean to cast aspersions on how anyone makes his living.
I'm just expressing my bewilderment that, today, anybody bothers to buy
anything other than a Delta card. It's almost as if people want to go
out of their way, to do whatever it takes to avoid buying a Delta card.
I think it's kind of funny. I love my 1010. I love the 2-channel card
it replaced.

The ones I love are those who've set their heart on a top-range
Audigy. They come in here for confirmation and get told the truth.
But you just KNOW they're going to buy it anyway :-)

CubaseFAQ www.laurencepayne.co.uk/CubaseFAQ.htm
"Possibly the world's least impressive web site": George Perfect

On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 07:26:04 GMT, james of tucson
wrote:


Hey, I didn't mean to cast aspersions on how anyone makes his living.
I'm just expressing my bewilderment that, today, anybody bothers to buy
anything other than a Delta card. It's almost as if people want to go
out of their way, to do whatever it takes to avoid buying a Delta card.
I think it's kind of funny. I love my 1010. I love the 2-channel card
it replaced.

The ones I love are those who've set their heart on a top-range
Audigy. They come in here for confirmation and get told the truth.
But you just KNOW they're going to buy it anyway :-)

CubaseFAQ www.laurencepayne.co.uk/CubaseFAQ.htm
"Possibly the world's least impressive web site": George Perfect

"Laurence Payne" wrote in
message
On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 07:26:04 GMT, james of tucson
wrote:


Hey, I didn't mean to cast aspersions on how anyone makes his living.
I'm just expressing my bewilderment that, today, anybody bothers to
buy anything other than a Delta card. It's almost as if people want
to go out of their way, to do whatever it takes to avoid buying a
Delta card. I think it's kind of funny. I love my 1010. I love the
2-channel card it replaced.

The ones I love are those who've set their heart on a top-range
Audigy. They come in here for confirmation and get told the truth.
But you just KNOW they're going to buy it anyway :-)

Ironically, Creative has fixed up the important record/play problems in the
Live!, in the latest versions. I picked one up for about $30 and its pretty
much the equal or superior of the Santa Cruz.

"Laurence Payne" wrote in
message
On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 07:26:04 GMT, james of tucson
wrote:


Hey, I didn't mean to cast aspersions on how anyone makes his living.
I'm just expressing my bewilderment that, today, anybody bothers to
buy anything other than a Delta card. It's almost as if people want
to go out of their way, to do whatever it takes to avoid buying a
Delta card. I think it's kind of funny. I love my 1010. I love the
2-channel card it replaced.

The ones I love are those who've set their heart on a top-range
Audigy. They come in here for confirmation and get told the truth.
But you just KNOW they're going to buy it anyway :-)

Ironically, Creative has fixed up the important record/play problems in the
Live!, in the latest versions. I picked one up for about $30 and its pretty
much the equal or superior of the Santa Cruz.

On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 07:29:40 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:


Ironically, Creative has fixed up the important record/play problems in the
Live!, in the latest versions. I picked one up for about $30 and its pretty
much the equal or superior of the Santa Cruz.

Surely the only selling point of the Santa Cruz is the 4 inputs. If
that's what you want, there's little competition in that price range.

CubaseFAQ www.laurencepayne.co.uk/CubaseFAQ.htm
"Possibly the world's least impressive web site": George Perfect

On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 07:29:40 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:


Ironically, Creative has fixed up the important record/play problems in the
Live!, in the latest versions. I picked one up for about $30 and its pretty
much the equal or superior of the Santa Cruz.

Surely the only selling point of the Santa Cruz is the 4 inputs. If
that's what you want, there's little competition in that price range.

CubaseFAQ www.laurencepayne.co.uk/CubaseFAQ.htm
"Possibly the world's least impressive web site": George Perfect

"Laurence Payne" wrote in
message
On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 07:29:40 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:


Ironically, Creative has fixed up the important record/play problems
in the Live!, in the latest versions. I picked one up for about $30
and its pretty much the equal or superior of the Santa Cruz.

Surely the only selling point of the Santa Cruz is the 4 inputs. If
that's what you want, there's little competition in that price range.

At this time, I'm obliged to agree. At one time it was a lot more sonically
accurate than the extant versions of the Live!

"Laurence Payne" wrote in
message
On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 07:29:40 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:


Ironically, Creative has fixed up the important record/play problems
in the Live!, in the latest versions. I picked one up for about $30
and its pretty much the equal or superior of the Santa Cruz.

Surely the only selling point of the Santa Cruz is the 4 inputs. If
that's what you want, there's little competition in that price range.

At this time, I'm obliged to agree. At one time it was a lot more sonically
accurate than the extant versions of the Live!

In article y.com writes:

Hey, I didn't mean to cast aspersions on how anyone makes his living.
I'm just expressing my bewilderment that, today, anybody bothers to buy
anything other than a Delta card.

Oh, OK. I'll sell my Lynx L22.


--
I'm really Mike Rivers )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me he double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

In article y.com writes:

Hey, I didn't mean to cast aspersions on how anyone makes his living.
I'm just expressing my bewilderment that, today, anybody bothers to buy
anything other than a Delta card.

Oh, OK. I'll sell my Lynx L22.


--
I'm really Mike Rivers )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me he double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

"Lynn Gweeny" wrote in message
news:1100189713.SyKbbx5G1FpMIVzOe+lHKg@bubbanews.. .
I don't understand why so many people try to do everything in
their
power to avoid getting a Delta card...

They've probably never heard of a Delta card unless they are an
audio
geek. Popular review sites like X-bit Labs, [H]ardOCP, Anandtech,
Tom's
Hardware and others are going to have review a card like that before
it
becomes mainstream.

Why not tell us about the Delta card. How much does it cost? Does it
fit entirely inside the computer case? Does it have mike inputs?
Etc. etc.

I couldn't find a reference to it.

Thanks,

Norm Strong

"Lynn Gweeny" wrote in message
news:1100189713.SyKbbx5G1FpMIVzOe+lHKg@bubbanews.. .
I don't understand why so many people try to do everything in
their
power to avoid getting a Delta card...

They've probably never heard of a Delta card unless they are an
audio
geek. Popular review sites like X-bit Labs, [H]ardOCP, Anandtech,
Tom's
Hardware and others are going to have review a card like that before
it
becomes mainstream.

Why not tell us about the Delta card. How much does it cost? Does it
fit entirely inside the computer case? Does it have mike inputs?
Etc. etc.

I couldn't find a reference to it.

Thanks,

Norm Strong

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message

Ironically, Creative has fixed up the important record/play problems in
the Live!, in the latest versions. I picked one up for about $30 and its
pretty much the equal or superior of the Santa Cruz.


Did thy do away witht he compulsory internal 48K reasampling stage ?

geoff

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message

Ironically, Creative has fixed up the important record/play problems in
the Live!, in the latest versions. I picked one up for about $30 and its
pretty much the equal or superior of the Santa Cruz.


Did thy do away witht he compulsory internal 48K reasampling stage ?

geoff

"Geoff Wood" -nospam wrote in message

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message

Ironically, Creative has fixed up the important record/play problems
in the Live!, in the latest versions. I picked one up for about $30
and its pretty much the equal or superior of the Santa Cruz.


Did thy do away witht he compulsory internal 48K reasampling stage ?

I don't think so - just did it righter this time.

The Santa Cruz always resampled to 48 KHz, as well.

"Geoff Wood" -nospam wrote in message

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message

Ironically, Creative has fixed up the important record/play problems
in the Live!, in the latest versions. I picked one up for about $30
and its pretty much the equal or superior of the Santa Cruz.


Did thy do away witht he compulsory internal 48K reasampling stage ?

I don't think so - just did it righter this time.

The Santa Cruz always resampled to 48 KHz, as well.