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Is Eminence Alpha 10A ok for home stereo woofer and other question?
Would an Eminence Alpha 10A speaker be ok to use as a budget woofer in
a 2 way speaker cabinet? (i.e. I am not sure of what kind of tweeter would be used with it - that seems to be easier to figure out what to purchase). This would be for home stereo use at moderate volume levels.... Here is one link to this speaker: http://www.parts-express.com/pe/show...number=290-403 Also, what would be considered a "high-end" type woofer, if one wanted to spend hundreds of dollars for a 10" woofer, for example? Anyone have a good experience with a particular type of woofer? I have some small Paradigm Atom speakers and I have no clue to how much the drivers in them cost, considering at the time of purchase, the speakers were fairly inexpensive. Thanks for any advice on this. --- Entfred |
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Would an Eminence Alpha 10A speaker be ok to use as a budget woofer in a 2 way speaker cabinet? I don't think so. What's the application? I see a relatively high efficiency, relatively poor dynamic range at the lowest frequencies. If you're working with tubed amps, then I guess you have to do what you have to do. Even so, I think that you can do better with B&C but at a higher price. (i.e. I am not sure of what kind of tweeter would be used with it - that seems to be easier to figure out what to purchase). You need a fairly high-efficiency tweeter, probably one with a waveguide (horn) This would be for home stereo use at moderate volume levels.... Real bass at moderate levels still requires respect and careful engineering. A speaker this size should have 9-12 mm Xmax, easily. Here is one link to this speaker: http://www.parts-express.com/pe/show...number=290-403 Live sound, anybody? But not really good live sound. Also, what would be considered a "high-end" type woofer, if one wanted to spend hundreds of dollars for a 10" woofer, for example? Again, look at the B&C catalog. They are among the "bang for buck" leaders in high quality, high efficiency speakers. You can pay easily pay twice as much and not get anything better. For 2-way home audio, 6.5 to 8 inches are about the limit for the low end, if you're crossing over to dome tweeters. Anyone have a good experience with a particular type of woofer? By implication. I'd buy something different whether the application was home audio or live sound. I have some small Paradigm Atom speakers and I have no clue to how much the drivers in them cost, Not a lot, given that they are purchased in very large quantities. 2 way speakers are among the most difficult of all kinds of speakers to get really right. There's a lot to be said for letting value/performance companies like Paradigm do your work for you. considering at the time of purchase, the speakers were fairly inexpensive. Also, atoms are very modest in terms of bass extension and dynamic range. But they sound good if you treat them right, and put a good subwoofer under them. Subwoofers are a relatively easy project compared to doing a 2-way from scratch. (Hint! Hint!) |
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Is Eminence Alpha 10A ok for home stereo woofer and other
On Sep 23, 9:17=A0am, "Arny Krueger" wrote:
"FedUp" wrote in message Would an Eminence Alpha 10A speaker be ok to use as a budget woofer in a 2 way speaker cabinet? I don't think so. What's the application? The application is for recording bands, jam sessions in a basement. Recording gear used: Olympus LS-10, an old Fostex VF08, occasionally use some other stuff, like Mac laptops. I see a relatively high efficiency, relatively poor dynamic range at the lowest frequencies. If you're working with tubed amps, then I guess you have to do what you h= ave to do. =A0Even so, I think that you can do better with B&C but at a highe= r price. I might be using a Denon 100 watt per channel receiver to drive the speakers. (i.e. I am not sure of what kind of tweeter would be used with it - that seems to be easier to figure out what to purchase). You need a fairly high-efficiency tweeter, probably one with a waveguide (horn) This would be for home stereo use at moderate volume levels.... Real bass at moderate levels still requires respect and careful engineeri= ng. A speaker this size should have 9-12 mm Xmax, easily. Here is one link to this speaker: http://www.parts-express.com/pe/show...mber=3D290-403 Live sound, anybody? But not really good live sound. Also, what would be considered a "high-end" type woofer, if one wanted to spend hundreds of dollars for a 10" woofer, for example? Again, look at the B&C catalog. They are among the "bang for buck" leader= s in high quality, high efficiency speakers. You can pay easily pay twice a= s much and not get anything better. For 2-way home audio, 6.5 to 8 inches are about the limit for the low end= , if you're crossing over to dome tweeters. =A0Anyone have a good experience with a particular type of woofer? By implication. I'd buy something different whether the application was h= ome audio or live sound. I have some small Paradigm Atom speakers and I have no clue to how much the drivers in them cost, Not a lot, given that they are purchased in very large quantities. 2 way speakers are among the most difficult of all kinds of speakers to get rea= lly right. There's a lot to be said for letting value/performance companies l= ike Paradigm do your work for you. considering at the time of purchase, the speakers were fairly inexpensive. Also, atoms are very modest in terms of bass extension and dynamic range. But they sound good if you treat them right, and put a good subwoofer und= er them. Subwoofers are a relatively easy project compared to doing a 2-way from scratch. (Hint! Hint!) I have an old subwoofer - an Event. It is small, but fairly powerful. I have mixed feelings about using subwoofers. It sounds kind of bizarre to me having one subwoofer in the middle of a pair of stereo speakers, but I have heard that low freq. sounds are difficult to detect spacially as much or something like that! Maybe it is just a matter of getting used to it. I like having all the sounds coming out of one speaker, like a guitar amp does... |
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Is Eminence Alpha 10A ok for home stereo woofer and other
Dick,
Thanks for your explanations. I am not that familiar with the technical aspects of stereo speakers except for primitive experiments swapping cheap speakers in various cabinets over the years. I don't want a harsh, dead sounding speaker sound, which from what you are telling me and another post on this thread is telling me that the Celestion is not optimum for my application (i.e. home stereo speakers). A few of my friends and I have various old speaker cabinets lying around with blown out speakers, so building something that sounds good may not ever be necessary. I have EPI speakers that have radio shack woofers after the woofers rotted out and I was looking for some cheap speakers. I did replace one EPI tweeter with a fairly good tweeter from a speaker store that has gone out of business many years ago. I only see mail order now, which is probably cheaper, anyway.... The Radio Shack woofers don't get that low freq. (can't remember the model no.), but they sound ok... The Atoms sound much better, but the EPIs blow the doors off the Atoms as far as volume goes, obviously, and the EPI original tweeter that still works is outstanding and so is the replacement tweeter in the second speaker. So, overall the EPIs are probably even in "listening pleasure" to the Atoms, but the Atoms have a quality you can't get with the EPIs - the "spatial separation". I can possibly go with another 10" woofer at some point that is higher quality than an inexpensive Celestion - in other words, might be worth saving my money for. This might be overkill for what I have in mind - it really is just for basement recording of various musicians and myself - it is not for any professional recording applications, though with the Olympus LS-10, you can get really great recordings, if done carefully. My Fostex VF-08 is dated, but has a nice punchy sound - especially on the bass side, that I can't get with the Olympus. It is true that I would love to have speakers that get a deep bass sound - where when I record a bass guitar, you can hear it half-way realistically, instead of a minature version of a bass guitar. It really is a matter of considering what is the "best bang for the buck". When you boil down all this, it might even make sense to just go out and get some decent speakers with the drivers already installed and everything working ok, if I am willing to spend the bucks to get a sound that is much better than the Atoms, which of course, are the bargain speakers of the century. I had one stereo store tell me that I would have to spend five times as much to get something truly better sounding, except for volume and bass, of course, which no tiny speaker can really excel at. I have a friend who has the Mackie Studio powered monitors - I think it was close to a grand for the pair. Many other choices. was intrigued with the Celstion idea, due to the cheapness and having the old blown-out speaker cabinets lying around. Now, if you want to hear what one great speaker sounds like, check out http://www.youtube.com/entfred Click on Bussard plays a 78 from his record collection. I tried panning to the speaker in the corner- altec lansing cabinet with two 15" woofers, I believe, and other drivers in there, too. Joe paid quite a bit decades ago for this mono speaker cabinet and I was blown away when I first heard this speaker cabinet. That is what I would want the most - something huge like that! The only other big "home stereo" speaker I remember hearing (not including stereo stores or the old hi-fi shows...) was a Klipsch that was several feet high. --- Entfred On Sep 23, 9:15=A0pm, Dick Pierce wrote: FedUp wrote: =A0 Would an Eminence Alpha 10A speaker be ok to use as a =A0 budget woofer in a 2 way speaker cabinet? No, for a variety of reasons. But describe, in more detail, what you want your system to be like, because tHAT will determine the selection of woofers. |
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