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A direct-coupled solid state amp, whether class D or AB, is best for driving
a subwoofer. I avoid Behringer products because this company is notorious for copying the designs of existing products, cheapening them, and selling them at a lower price than the originals. A tube amp for a subwoofer? FORGET ABOUT IT! No practical tube-based amp has the necessary low frequency power bandwidth to function down to 16Hz or lower as well as it does in the midrange and high end. |
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"Howard Davis" wrote: A direct-coupled solid state amp, whether class D or AB, is best for driving a subwoofer. I avoid Behringer products because this company is notorious for copying the designs of existing products, cheapening them, and selling them at a lower price than the originals. Could you please cite one example where they have done this? I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you, but I've never seen any of their products as copies of anyone else's. Now a lot of their products are very similar to product sold under the Alesis and/or Peavy name, but I understand that's because they are all three built in China by the same parent company A tube amp for a subwoofer? FORGET ABOUT IT! Yeah, not a great idea. You can get far better bottom end performance much cheaper with a solid state power amp for subwoofers. No practical tube-based amp has the necessary low frequency power bandwidth to function down to 16Hz or lower as well as it does in the midrange and high end. While there are tube amps that would fulfill this function (like the VTL Siegfried, for instance), the operative word here is "practical". |
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... In article , "Howard Davis" wrote: A direct-coupled solid state amp, whether class D or AB, is best for driving a subwoofer. I avoid Behringer products because this company is notorious for copying the designs of existing products, cheapening them, and selling them at a lower price than the originals. Could you please cite one example where they have done this? Certainly. I am the engineer that designed the Deluxe Memory Man analog delay guitar pedal for Electro-Harmonix. Behringer has a cheaper clone of it now on the market. It's no skin off my back as I get no royalties on sales, but if I were the manufacturer I would certainly consider legal action against Behringer. I personallly evaluated the Behringer product's circuitry, and it is clearly a cheapened copy of my Deluxe Memory Man. I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you, but I've never seen any of their products as copies of anyone else's. Now a lot of their products are very similar to product sold under the Alesis and/or Peavy name, but I understand that's because they are all three built in China by the same parent company Behringer has no scruples about copying other company's products when they think they can get away with it. A tube amp for a subwoofer? FORGET ABOUT IT! Yeah, not a great idea. You can get far better bottom end performance much cheaper with a solid state power amp for subwoofers. No practical tube-based amp has the necessary low frequency power bandwidth to function down to 16Hz or lower as well as it does in the midrange and high end. While there are tube amps that would fulfill this function (like the VTL Siegfried, for instance), the operative word here is "practical". |
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"Howard Davis" wrote: "Audio_Empire" wrote in message ... In article , "Howard Davis" wrote: A direct-coupled solid state amp, whether class D or AB, is best for driving a subwoofer. I avoid Behringer products because this company is notorious for copying the designs of existing products, cheapening them, and selling them at a lower price than the originals. Could you please cite one example where they have done this? Certainly. I am the engineer that designed the Deluxe Memory Man analog delay guitar pedal for Electro-Harmonix. Behringer has a cheaper clone of it now on the market. It's no skin off my back as I get no royalties on sales, but if I were the manufacturer I would certainly consider legal action against Behringer. I personallly evaluated the Behringer product's circuitry, and it is clearly a cheapened copy of my Deluxe Memory Man. I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you, but I've never seen any of their products as copies of anyone else's. Now a lot of their products are very similar to product sold under the Alesis and/or Peavy name, but I understand that's because they are all three built in China by the same parent company Behringer has no scruples about copying other company's products when they think they can get away with it. I'll take your word for it. Not being a musician who uses electronic instruments such as electric guitars, I would have no way of knowing about their music products (for instance, I don't even know what a Deluxe Memory Man analog delay guitar pedal is), I only know about their recording products (microphones, A/D converters, recording consoles) and their monitoring products (near-field speakers. amplifiers). And I must say that aside from their similarity to other products of the same vein, I've never particularly noticed any blatant piracy or theft. How do you tell if a microphone is a copy of some-one else's microphone anyway? The entire Chinese condenser microphone industry is based upon the Chinese, during the years when they were closed-off from the rest of the world, blatantly copying Neumann, Telefunken, AKG, and Sennheiser microphones for their own use - Even the Russians used to do that. Ray Dolby tells the story of a trip to Moscow he made in the late 1970's where he was taken to a local Orthodox church that had been "re-purposed" into a state-owned 'Melodya' recording studio. He saw banks of Dolby "A" noise reduction units that he could tell his company never built or sold, a number of multi-track Studer tape recorders that were too crudely made to have been REAL Studers and a forest of Neumann mikes with Russian name-plates on them. When he asked his state-provided guide about this, he was told that the government wouldn't allow industries to use Western, capitalist built equipment and everything must be domestically produced or purchased from other Iron Curtain countries. Dolby asked how they got plans for the Dolby "A" units , and the guide rather sheepishly responded that they had one of their agents buy a real Dolby unit in West Berlin and they shipped it to "The People's Electronics Bureau" in the Soviet Union where it was reverse-engineered. There was nothing Ray Dolby could do about it since the Russians had no copyright agreements with any Western nation (neither did the Red Chinese). |
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Barkingspyder wrote: On Tuesday, October 23, 2012 11:02:36 AM UTC-7, Howard Davis wrote: A direct-coupled solid state amp, whether class D or AB, is best for driving a subwoofer. I avoid Behringer products because this company is notorious for copying the designs of existing products, cheapening them, and selling them at a lower price than the originals. A tube amp for a subwoofer? FORGET ABOUT IT! No practical tube-based amp has the necessary low frequency power bandwidth to function down to 16Hz or lower as well as it does in the midrange and high end. Don't know of anybody who said anything about a tube amp for a subwoofer. Tubes are great for guitar amps after that I have no use for them. They can be great for GP hi-fi amps too, but they are a terrible value compared with solid-state amps. In fact to get a tube amp that is as neutral as a good solid-state amplifier you would have to pay a LOT more than the cost of an SS equivalent. Even then you're likely to have quite a bit less power. But make no mistake, a VTL Siegfried, or an Audio Research REFERENCE 750 tube amp (to name but two) is every bit as neutral as a the best SS designs, even if they are pricey (the VTL Siegfried II is $65,000 a pair, and a pair of Audio Research REF-750's is about $90,000. Decent solid state amps of the same power as these above mentioned tube amps can be had for less than 1/10 of those prices. |
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