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I noticed an interesting variation on the KISS amp power supply. It is what appears to be a bridge rectifier, using two ss diodes and two halves of a GZ37. What is the purpose of mixing these components? I would think switching spikes would still be present from the diodes. Is the theory that the tube halves control these, and provide tube rectifier characteristics? If so, it would be a handy way of utilizing lower voltage transformers, like the Japanese xformers intended for a voltage doubler, without having to deal with a tube bridge (for those of us who choose tube rectification). I'm sure that this will start a vigorous string of how SS is superior to tube rectification, or whatever. The purpose of this post is to better understand the INTENT of this circuit. |
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"Bob H." wrote: I noticed an interesting variation on the KISS amp power supply. It is what appears to be a bridge rectifier, using two ss diodes and two halves of a GZ37. What is the purpose of mixing these components? I would think switching spikes would still be present from the diodes. Is the theory that the tube halves control these, and provide tube rectifier characteristics? If so, it would be a handy way of utilizing lower voltage transformers, like the Japanese xformers intended for a voltage doubler, without having to deal with a tube bridge (for those of us who choose tube rectification). I'm sure that this will start a vigorous string of how SS is superior to tube rectification, or whatever. The purpose of this post is to better understand the INTENT of this circuit. You're imagining of course that it ever had a meaningful intent other than toob voodoo. Graham |
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Now that all that irrelevant chatter is out of the way, has anyone else had any experience with hybrid bridge rectifiers, using a tube for half of the bridge, attached to the B+ side? Another benefit: a slow startup rectifier tube would also produce slow startup B+. Bob H. Posting TUBE stuff on rec.audio.TUBES. Bret Ludwig wrote: Eeyore wrote: snip You're imagining of course that it ever had a meaningful intent other than toob voodoo. Every time people start going off on tube rectifiers, I always cut the discussion short by asking them to show me the spikes. Show me the spikes on a scope. Is that unreasonable? If it were a problem, it could be best fought by shielding and the use of a proper RF choke and bypassing of the power supply. But it simply isn't a problem in tube equipment because the currents aren't that high. It can be in large solid state amps. The fix? Shielding ,bypassing and a good RF choke, usually ferrite core. |
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Bob H. wrote: Now that all that irrelevant chatter is out of the way, has anyone else had any experience with hybrid bridge rectifiers, using a tube for half of the bridge, attached to the B+ side? Another benefit: a slow startup rectifier tube would also produce slow startup B+. Bob H. Posting TUBE stuff on rec.audio.TUBES. I have years of experience and collected data. The KISS Amp is my circuit. Yesterday you were cruising my site to pick up tips to improve the incompetent, overpriced loudspeaker you built several years after I published a better design for a fifth of the price, at the same time abusing me. Today you're trying to lift a power supply detail from my designs. Looks like you just about live on my netsite. I don't remember a single word of thanks from you; in fact all I remember is nasty little bully-boy sniping and abuse. Why should I cast more pearls before swine like you, Hedberg? To discover an immoral, ill-bred lout like you perving over my netsite makes me feel soiled. As far as I'm concerned, an ingrate like you can wallow in his own ignorant slime forever. Andre Jute Those who try to lunch on me always find the bill more than they can afford Bret Ludwig wrote: Eeyore wrote: snip You're imagining of course that it ever had a meaningful intent other than toob voodoo. Every time people start going off on tube rectifiers, I always cut the discussion short by asking them to show me the spikes. Show me the spikes on a scope. Is that unreasonable? If it were a problem, it could be best fought by shielding and the use of a proper RF choke and bypassing of the power supply. But it simply isn't a problem in tube equipment because the currents aren't that high. It can be in large solid state amps. The fix? Shielding ,bypassing and a good RF choke, usually ferrite core. |
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I was just cruising out of curiousity, since you post the sites for
people to cruise to. I've checked your pages maybe three times in five years, when it was up. The speaker is great. It's also a knock-off without any honorable mention of where you got the data. The circuit is nothing special. The rectifier was interesting, and I had no negative comments about it. Indeed, the comments were positive, and I'm wondering who has tried it (guaranteed others have, both recently and not so recently). Please don't try to tell me that anything in your designs hasn't been done before. Judging by your comments on how long I live on your web pages, I guess the message is don't dare go there. Point well taken. I'll make sure the message remains alive. Your buddy (well, not really) Bob H. Andre Jute wrote: Bob H. wrote: Now that all that irrelevant chatter is out of the way, has anyone else had any experience with hybrid bridge rectifiers, using a tube for half of the bridge, attached to the B+ side? Another benefit: a slow startup rectifier tube would also produce slow startup B+. Bob H. Posting TUBE stuff on rec.audio.TUBES. I have years of experience and collected data. The KISS Amp is my circuit. Yesterday you were cruising my site to pick up tips to improve the incompetent, overpriced loudspeaker you built several years after I published a better design for a fifth of the price, at the same time abusing me. Today you're trying to lift a power supply detail from my designs. Looks like you just about live on my netsite. I don't remember a single word of thanks from you; in fact all I remember is nasty little bully-boy sniping and abuse. Why should I cast more pearls before swine like you, Hedberg? To discover an immoral, ill-bred lout like you perving over my netsite makes me feel soiled. As far as I'm concerned, an ingrate like you can wallow in his own ignorant slime forever. Andre Jute Those who try to lunch on me always find the bill more than they can afford Bret Ludwig wrote: Eeyore wrote: snip You're imagining of course that it ever had a meaningful intent other than toob voodoo. Every time people start going off on tube rectifiers, I always cut the discussion short by asking them to show me the spikes. Show me the spikes on a scope. Is that unreasonable? If it were a problem, it could be best fought by shielding and the use of a proper RF choke and bypassing of the power supply. But it simply isn't a problem in tube equipment because the currents aren't that high. It can be in large solid state amps. The fix? Shielding ,bypassing and a good RF choke, usually ferrite core. |
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Bob wrote:
I noticed an interesting variation on the KISS amp power supply. It is what appears to be a bridge rectifier, using two ss diodes and two halves of a GZ37. What is the purpose of mixing these components? I would think switching spikes would still be present from the diodes. Is the theory that the tube halves control these, and provide tube rectifier characteristics? If so, it would be a handy way of utilizing lower voltage transformers, like the Japanese xformers intended for a voltage doubler, without having to deal with a tube bridge (for those of us who choose tube rectification). I'm sure that this will start a vigorous string of how SS is superior to tube rectification, or whatever. The purpose of this post is to better understand the INTENT of this circuit. This kind of rectifier arrangement been discussed here several times. A bridge rectifier with 4 valves is a waste: you don't need them in series if their role is to regulate current. If you've got a power transformer without a centre tap left over from a previous failed project, and it happens to fit your new lash-up with this arrangement, then it offers most of the advantage (as some may see it) of valve rectification, including soft switching. I have read that torroidal power transformers are not generally well suited to full-wave rectification with two diodes and a centre tap. Perhaps someone would like to explain why. cheers, Ian |
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Bob H. wrote: I was just cruising out of curiousity, since you post the sites for people to cruise to. I've checked your pages maybe three times in five years, when it was up. The speaker is great. It's also a knock-off without any honorable mention of where you got the data. You're a fool, Bubba. I never heard of John Wykoff or his Hammer Super 12 before I designed and built my speaker The Impresario. http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/K...Impresario.jpg The 1999 copyright date on my blueprint merely dates the tidy final drawing itself and protects it from garage vermin trying to build copies for profit; I published my dimensions and constructional details within a week of receiving the driver samples, probably in 1997, which was around the time I designed my SEntry trioded EL34 student's amp which The Impresario was created to partner. Many others designed around the Eminence Beta 12 LT (the speaker Wykoff "tweaked" and then sold for five times the guitar store price together with plans) and also put their designs in the public domain; many of these were pretty close to my design but I didn't accuse them of theft. In fact, Thorsten Loesch and I congratulated each other on arriving at almost the same result. That's the difference between knowing something of the imperatives of good loudspeaker design and being an ignoramus like you. The Thiele-Small data came from Eminence and they are adequately thanked for the data and the samples by publishing my design for any DIYer to build a pair. The proportions came from the Parthenon and that source is also acknowledged in the word "Phi" and the formula written right there on the blueprint, not that I would expect an undereducated, zero-culture American redneck like you to understand the reference. The positioning of the braces come from general loudspeaker engineering learned from Gilbert Briggs's vintage book, which I have often recommended, the positioning of the tweeters from the desire to keep the apparent point source that is the fundamental specification of my speaker, and so on ad infinitum, everything rationally integrated. I do the job right from the start. "Tweaks" and suchlike kludgery I leave to the hangers-on of audio like you. If the Wykoff Hammer Super 12 for five times the money of my free design is as incompetent as you claim (in your desire to "tweak it right" by incorporating my Impresario's superior construction and bracing details into the Hammer Super 12) then you really wasted your money. But, like I said, you're a right bubba of a fool. Andre Jute Visit Jute on Amps at http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/ "wonderfully well written and reasoned information for the tube audio constructor" John Broskie TubeCAD & GlassWare "an unbelievably comprehensive web site containing vital gems of wisdom" Stuart Perry Hi-Fi News & Record Review The circuit is nothing special. The rectifier was interesting, and I had no negative comments about it. Indeed, the comments were positive, and I'm wondering who has tried it (guaranteed others have, both recently and not so recently). Please don't try to tell me that anything in your designs hasn't been done before. Judging by your comments on how long I live on your web pages, I guess the message is don't dare go there. Point well taken. I'll make sure the message remains alive. Your buddy (well, not really) Bob H. Andre Jute wrote: Bob H. wrote: Now that all that irrelevant chatter is out of the way, has anyone else had any experience with hybrid bridge rectifiers, using a tube for half of the bridge, attached to the B+ side? Another benefit: a slow startup rectifier tube would also produce slow startup B+. Bob H. Posting TUBE stuff on rec.audio.TUBES. I have years of experience and collected data. The KISS Amp is my circuit. Yesterday you were cruising my site to pick up tips to improve the incompetent, overpriced loudspeaker you built several years after I published a better design for a fifth of the price, at the same time abusing me. Today you're trying to lift a power supply detail from my designs. Looks like you just about live on my netsite. I don't remember a single word of thanks from you; in fact all I remember is nasty little bully-boy sniping and abuse. Why should I cast more pearls before swine like you, Hedberg? To discover an immoral, ill-bred lout like you perving over my netsite makes me feel soiled. As far as I'm concerned, an ingrate like you can wallow in his own ignorant slime forever. Andre Jute Those who try to lunch on me always find the bill more than they can afford Bret Ludwig wrote: Eeyore wrote: snip You're imagining of course that it ever had a meaningful intent other than toob voodoo. Every time people start going off on tube rectifiers, I always cut the discussion short by asking them to show me the spikes. Show me the spikes on a scope. Is that unreasonable? If it were a problem, it could be best fought by shielding and the use of a proper RF choke and bypassing of the power supply. But it simply isn't a problem in tube equipment because the currents aren't that high. It can be in large solid state amps. The fix? Shielding ,bypassing and a good RF choke, usually ferrite core. |
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Ahhh, a flash of the old Andre. What a warm and fuzzy feeling.
Bob H. Andre Jute wrote: Bob H. wrote: I was just cruising out of curiousity, since you post the sites for people to cruise to. I've checked your pages maybe three times in five years, when it was up. The speaker is great. It's also a knock-off without any honorable mention of where you got the data. You're a fool, Bubba. I never heard of John Wykoff or his Hammer Super 12 before I designed and built my speaker The Impresario. http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/K...Impresario.jpg The 1999 copyright date on my blueprint merely dates the tidy final drawing itself and protects it from garage vermin trying to build copies for profit; I published my dimensions and constructional details within a week of receiving the driver samples, probably in 1997, which was around the time I designed my SEntry trioded EL34 student's amp which The Impresario was created to partner. Many others designed around the Eminence Beta 12 LT (the speaker Wykoff "tweaked" and then sold for five times the guitar store price together with plans) and also put their designs in the public domain; many of these were pretty close to my design but I didn't accuse them of theft. In fact, Thorsten Loesch and I congratulated each other on arriving at almost the same result. That's the difference between knowing something of the imperatives of good loudspeaker design and being an ignoramus like you. The Thiele-Small data came from Eminence and they are adequately thanked for the data and the samples by publishing my design for any DIYer to build a pair. The proportions came from the Parthenon and that source is also acknowledged in the word "Phi" and the formula written right there on the blueprint, not that I would expect an undereducated, zero-culture American redneck like you to understand the reference. The positioning of the braces come from general loudspeaker engineering learned from Gilbert Briggs's vintage book, which I have often recommended, the positioning of the tweeters from the desire to keep the apparent point source that is the fundamental specification of my speaker, and so on ad infinitum, everything rationally integrated. I do the job right from the start. "Tweaks" and suchlike kludgery I leave to the hangers-on of audio like you. If the Wykoff Hammer Super 12 for five times the money of my free design is as incompetent as you claim (in your desire to "tweak it right" by incorporating my Impresario's superior construction and bracing details into the Hammer Super 12) then you really wasted your money. But, like I said, you're a right bubba of a fool. Andre Jute Visit Jute on Amps at http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/ "wonderfully well written and reasoned information for the tube audio constructor" John Broskie TubeCAD & GlassWare "an unbelievably comprehensive web site containing vital gems of wisdom" Stuart Perry Hi-Fi News & Record Review The circuit is nothing special. The rectifier was interesting, and I had no negative comments about it. Indeed, the comments were positive, and I'm wondering who has tried it (guaranteed others have, both recently and not so recently). Please don't try to tell me that anything in your designs hasn't been done before. Judging by your comments on how long I live on your web pages, I guess the message is don't dare go there. Point well taken. I'll make sure the message remains alive. Your buddy (well, not really) Bob H. Andre Jute wrote: Bob H. wrote: Now that all that irrelevant chatter is out of the way, has anyone else had any experience with hybrid bridge rectifiers, using a tube for half of the bridge, attached to the B+ side? Another benefit: a slow startup rectifier tube would also produce slow startup B+. Bob H. Posting TUBE stuff on rec.audio.TUBES. I have years of experience and collected data. The KISS Amp is my circuit. Yesterday you were cruising my site to pick up tips to improve the incompetent, overpriced loudspeaker you built several years after I published a better design for a fifth of the price, at the same time abusing me. Today you're trying to lift a power supply detail from my designs. Looks like you just about live on my netsite. I don't remember a single word of thanks from you; in fact all I remember is nasty little bully-boy sniping and abuse. Why should I cast more pearls before swine like you, Hedberg? To discover an immoral, ill-bred lout like you perving over my netsite makes me feel soiled. As far as I'm concerned, an ingrate like you can wallow in his own ignorant slime forever. Andre Jute Those who try to lunch on me always find the bill more than they can afford Bret Ludwig wrote: Eeyore wrote: snip You're imagining of course that it ever had a meaningful intent other than toob voodoo. Every time people start going off on tube rectifiers, I always cut the discussion short by asking them to show me the spikes. Show me the spikes on a scope. Is that unreasonable? If it were a problem, it could be best fought by shielding and the use of a proper RF choke and bypassing of the power supply. But it simply isn't a problem in tube equipment because the currents aren't that high. It can be in large solid state amps. The fix? Shielding ,bypassing and a good RF choke, usually ferrite core. |
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Bob H. wrote: Ahhh, a flash of the old Andre. What a warm and fuzzy feeling. Bob H. Not only are you a dub-bubba, Hedberg, you're a liar, you're an ingrate and you lack grace. I have already demonstrated, below, that you are a moron beyond belief who can't even get a URL right, who doesn't do his homework, who immorally runs around accusing his betters of theft and dishonesty on no evidence whatsoever except your little "feelings" of like and dislike. You're an ingrate for wanting to use the fruits of my mind without having the decency to thank me for making them freely available; quite the contrary, even while using the fruits of my mind to gimmick your incompetent Hammer Super 12s right, you were accusing me of stealing the design from a dead man, without the slightest shred of proof. You make me sick at the stomach, Hedberg. Then, when your lies are exposed by a barrage of facts that you cannot argue with, you don't offer an apology, you have another dumb smartarse comment to make: I guess I'm just a blithering idiot. Uhuh huh huh. Bob H. You don't know how right you a You *are* a blathering idiot. If your parents are still alive, I bet they're ashamed of what they have bred. You, Bob Hedberg, are a liar without breeding or grace. You are slime,. Andre Jute Andre Jute wrote: Bob H. wrote: I was just cruising out of curiousity, since you post the sites for people to cruise to. I've checked your pages maybe three times in five years, when it was up. The speaker is great. It's also a knock-off without any honorable mention of where you got the data. You're a fool, Bubba. I never heard of John Wykoff or his Hammer Super 12 before I designed and built my speaker The Impresario. http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/K...Impresario.jpg The 1999 copyright date on my blueprint merely dates the tidy final drawing itself and protects it from garage vermin trying to build copies for profit; I published my dimensions and constructional details within a week of receiving the driver samples, probably in 1997, which was around the time I designed my SEntry trioded EL34 student's amp which The Impresario was created to partner. Many others designed around the Eminence Beta 12 LT (the speaker Wykoff "tweaked" and then sold for five times the guitar store price together with plans) and also put their designs in the public domain; many of these were pretty close to my design but I didn't accuse them of theft. In fact, Thorsten Loesch and I congratulated each other on arriving at almost the same result. That's the difference between knowing something of the imperatives of good loudspeaker design and being an ignoramus like you. The Thiele-Small data came from Eminence and they are adequately thanked for the data and the samples by publishing my design for any DIYer to build a pair. The proportions came from the Parthenon and that source is also acknowledged in the word "Phi" and the formula written right there on the blueprint, not that I would expect an undereducated, zero-culture American redneck like you to understand the reference. The positioning of the braces come from general loudspeaker engineering learned from Gilbert Briggs's vintage book, which I have often recommended, the positioning of the tweeters from the desire to keep the apparent point source that is the fundamental specification of my speaker, and so on ad infinitum, everything rationally integrated. I do the job right from the start. "Tweaks" and suchlike kludgery I leave to the hangers-on of audio like you. If the Wykoff Hammer Super 12 for five times the money of my free design is as incompetent as you claim (in your desire to "tweak it right" by incorporating my Impresario's superior construction and bracing details into the Hammer Super 12) then you really wasted your money. But, like I said, you're a right bubba of a fool. Andre Jute Visit Jute on Amps at http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/ "wonderfully well written and reasoned information for the tube audio constructor" John Broskie TubeCAD & GlassWare "an unbelievably comprehensive web site containing vital gems of wisdom" Stuart Perry Hi-Fi News & Record Review The circuit is nothing special. The rectifier was interesting, and I had no negative comments about it. Indeed, the comments were positive, and I'm wondering who has tried it (guaranteed others have, both recently and not so recently). Please don't try to tell me that anything in your designs hasn't been done before. Judging by your comments on how long I live on your web pages, I guess the message is don't dare go there. Point well taken. I'll make sure the message remains alive. Your buddy (well, not really) Bob H. Andre Jute wrote: Bob H. wrote: Now that all that irrelevant chatter is out of the way, has anyone else had any experience with hybrid bridge rectifiers, using a tube for half of the bridge, attached to the B+ side? Another benefit: a slow startup rectifier tube would also produce slow startup B+. Bob H. Posting TUBE stuff on rec.audio.TUBES. I have years of experience and collected data. The KISS Amp is my circuit. Yesterday you were cruising my site to pick up tips to improve the incompetent, overpriced loudspeaker you built several years after I published a better design for a fifth of the price, at the same time abusing me. Today you're trying to lift a power supply detail from my designs. Looks like you just about live on my netsite. I don't remember a single word of thanks from you; in fact all I remember is nasty little bully-boy sniping and abuse. Why should I cast more pearls before swine like you, Hedberg? To discover an immoral, ill-bred lout like you perving over my netsite makes me feel soiled. As far as I'm concerned, an ingrate like you can wallow in his own ignorant slime forever. Andre Jute Those who try to lunch on me always find the bill more than they can afford Bret Ludwig wrote: Eeyore wrote: snip You're imagining of course that it ever had a meaningful intent other than toob voodoo. Every time people start going off on tube rectifiers, I always cut the discussion short by asking them to show me the spikes. Show me the spikes on a scope. Is that unreasonable? If it were a problem, it could be best fought by shielding and the use of a proper RF choke and bypassing of the power supply. But it simply isn't a problem in tube equipment because the currents aren't that high. It can be in large solid state amps. The fix? Shielding ,bypassing and a good RF choke, usually ferrite core. |
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Andre Jute wrote: Not only are you a dub-bubba, Hedberg, you're a liar, you're an ingrate and you lack grace. Not only are you a top-posting effwit but you smell. ;-p Graham |
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Thanks, Ian I should have done a usenet search first. It seems this is a well known option and public knowledge. Heres a post from 1997, with a diagram no less. http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...74170883f441a3 re/ Bob H. This kind of rectifier arrangement been discussed here several times. A bridge rectifier with 4 valves is a waste: you don't need them in series if their role is to regulate current. If you've got a power transformer without a centre tap left over from a previous failed project, and it happens to fit your new lash-up with this arrangement, then it offers most of the advantage (as some may see it) of valve rectification, including soft switching. I have read that torroidal power transformers are not generally well suited to full-wave rectification with two diodes and a centre tap. Perhaps someone would like to explain why. cheers, Ian |
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Bob wrote
I should have done a usenet search first. It seems this is a well known option and public knowledge. Heres a post from 1997, with a diagram no less. An ss bridge with series resistance to give the same effective regulation will switch more sharply, but the current peaks delivered into the first cap will be lower and wider, it seems to me. So less switching noise but more hum, perhaps, with higher harmonic content? And don't valve rectifiers make their own noise too? But what would I know. I don't think I've ever even *seen* a valve rectifier. Perhaps their regulation is euphonic? cheers, Ian |
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Ian Iveson wrote:
But what would I know. I don't think I've ever even *seen* a valve rectifier. I love it: the blind leading the terminally stupid. Between them Dumb and Dumber haven't even discovered the name of the rectifier topology. Andre Jute Creator of The KISS Amp and The Impresario loudspeaker Ian Iveson wrote: Bob wrote I should have done a usenet search first. It seems this is a well known option and public knowledge. Heres a post from 1997, with a diagram no less. An ss bridge with series resistance to give the same effective regulation will switch more sharply, but the current peaks delivered into the first cap will be lower and wider, it seems to me. So less switching noise but more hum, perhaps, with higher harmonic content? And don't valve rectifiers make their own noise too? But what would I know. I don't think I've ever even *seen* a valve rectifier. Perhaps their regulation is euphonic? cheers, Ian |
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I suspect you'd see the standard bridge ripple out of the rectifier,
with each voltage peak an addition of the voltage drop across one section of the tube and one diode. Since the drop across the diode is a fraction of a volt, the 20-something drop of the tube would produce most voltage drop reduction. Any switching noise from the diode should be isolated by the tube half, since tubes don't reverse bias, and I believe switch noise is a result of the diode switching between conduction and non-conduction. A big benefit of this circuit, other than utilizing a power tranny without a center tap, is that if a slow warmup tube is used, it would isolate the diode's portion of the B+ from the rest of the tube circuit untill all the tubes warm up. The filter caps take care of the hum. Anyway, thanks for the reply Bob H. Ian Iveson wrote: Bob wrote I should have done a usenet search first. It seems this is a well known option and public knowledge. Heres a post from 1997, with a diagram no less. An ss bridge with series resistance to give the same effective regulation will switch more sharply, but the current peaks delivered into the first cap will be lower and wider, it seems to me. So less switching noise but more hum, perhaps, with higher harmonic content? And don't valve rectifiers make their own noise too? But what would I know. I don't think I've ever even *seen* a valve rectifier. Perhaps their regulation is euphonic? cheers, Ian |
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Bob said:
The filter caps take care of the hum. I see. No need to worry about hum then. A big benefit of this circuit, other than utilizing a power tranny without a center tap, is that if a slow warmup tube is used, it would isolate the diode's portion of the B+ from the rest of the tube circuit untill all the tubes warm up. Personally speaking, I think anyone who uses valve rectification for the purpose of HT switch-on delay is barking. cheers, Ian "Bob H." wrote in message oups.com... I suspect you'd see the standard bridge ripple out of the rectifier, with each voltage peak an addition of the voltage drop across one section of the tube and one diode. Since the drop across the diode is a fraction of a volt, the 20-something drop of the tube would produce most voltage drop reduction. Any switching noise from the diode should be isolated by the tube half, since tubes don't reverse bias, and I believe switch noise is a result of the diode switching between conduction and non-conduction. Anyway, thanks for the reply Bob H. Ian Iveson wrote: Bob wrote I should have done a usenet search first. It seems this is a well known option and public knowledge. Heres a post from 1997, with a diagram no less. An ss bridge with series resistance to give the same effective regulation will switch more sharply, but the current peaks delivered into the first cap will be lower and wider, it seems to me. So less switching noise but more hum, perhaps, with higher harmonic content? And don't valve rectifiers make their own noise too? But what would I know. I don't think I've ever even *seen* a valve rectifier. Perhaps their regulation is euphonic? cheers, Ian |
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question about the KISS amp
I'd agree that the switching thing is minor if existant. I have just
ended up liking tube rectification after experimenting with a plug in ss rectifier and several types of 5ar4's on an amp one day. Since the amp had fixed bias, I was able to readjust bias, though it only changed minimally. Signal tube bias remained pretty steady. I did hear differences, though not necessarily bad ones, just differences. After some hours of swapping and listening, I ended up with the tube rectifier. SS would be much easier, believe me, but I follow my instincts, so tube rectifier it is. DIY rules. RE/ Bob H. Ian Iveson wrote: Bob said: The filter caps take care of the hum. I see. No need to worry about hum then. A big benefit of this circuit, other than utilizing a power tranny without a center tap, is that if a slow warmup tube is used, it would isolate the diode's portion of the B+ from the rest of the tube circuit untill all the tubes warm up. Personally speaking, I think anyone who uses valve rectification for the purpose of HT switch-on delay is barking. cheers, Ian "Bob H." wrote in message oups.com... I suspect you'd see the standard bridge ripple out of the rectifier, with each voltage peak an addition of the voltage drop across one section of the tube and one diode. Since the drop across the diode is a fraction of a volt, the 20-something drop of the tube would produce most voltage drop reduction. Any switching noise from the diode should be isolated by the tube half, since tubes don't reverse bias, and I believe switch noise is a result of the diode switching between conduction and non-conduction. Anyway, thanks for the reply Bob H. Ian Iveson wrote: Bob wrote I should have done a usenet search first. It seems this is a well known option and public knowledge. Heres a post from 1997, with a diagram no less. An ss bridge with series resistance to give the same effective regulation will switch more sharply, but the current peaks delivered into the first cap will be lower and wider, it seems to me. So less switching noise but more hum, perhaps, with higher harmonic content? And don't valve rectifiers make their own noise too? But what would I know. I don't think I've ever even *seen* a valve rectifier. Perhaps their regulation is euphonic? cheers, Ian |
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