"Michael McKelvy" wrote:

[...]
What we deserve is to have our elections given the same respect as the rest
of the world gets from us. If some other country decides to elect someone
that a large number of our citizens don't approve of you hear from our
citizens via some newspaper trying to convince them to vote the way we'd
like.

America has been in the asassination and coup business for many years.
Salvadore Allende was a duly elected leader that we overthrew, just
one example.

You won't find one of our newspapers with a banner headline saying that X
number of your citizens are dumb.

You said that to most of the countries in Europe just last year.
Remember all of the colourful names you called the French?

[...]
**** off you stupid little twit. Go fix your own problems and stop bitching
about our choices. Without us, you'd be nowhere and nothing.

Here's a monument to the arrogance that dooms your cause in the end.
It is funny, considering that you're talking to the EU, a superpower
even bigger than America--and once it pulls itself together, a more
powerful one. You are foolish to be beckoning world war.

Luke

"Luke Kaven" wrote in message
...
"Michael McKelvy" wrote:

[...]
What we deserve is to have our elections given the same respect as the
rest
of the world gets from us. If some other country decides to elect someone
that a large number of our citizens don't approve of you hear from our
citizens via some newspaper trying to convince them to vote the way we'd
like.

America has been in the asassination and coup business for many years.
Salvadore Allende was a duly elected leader that we overthrew, just
one example.

You won't find one of our newspapers with a banner headline saying that X
number of your citizens are dumb.

You said that to most of the countries in Europe just last year.
Remember all of the colourful names you called the French?

[...]
**** off you stupid little twit. Go fix your own problems and stop
bitching
about our choices. Without us, you'd be nowhere and nothing.

Here's a monument to the arrogance that dooms your cause in the end.
It is funny, considering that you're talking to the EU, a superpower
even bigger than America--and once it pulls itself together, a more
powerful one. You are foolish to be beckoning world war.

Luke

The original poster's subject reads like dialogue from "Plan 9 From Outer
Space"! Too obvious ?
Since I really don't know myself...What do you call people who feed trolls?

On the offtopic drival posted about what countries do to each other I
paraphrase Winston Churchill quite badly, "America sucks, but everyone else
sucks worse."


--
They can have my command prompt when they pry it from my cold dead fingers.

According to this report, all of this may be a moot point soon:

http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/science...eut/index.html
Study: Arctic warming at twice the global rate

Species, including polar bears, may go extinct as ice melts.

OSLO, Norway (Reuters) -- Global warming is heating the Arctic almost
twice as fast as the rest of the planet in a thaw that threatens
millions of livelihoods and could wipe out polar bears by 2100, an
eight-nation report said on Monday.

The biggest survey to date of the Arctic climate, by 250 scientists,
said the accelerating melt could be a foretaste of wider disruptions
from a build-up of human emissions of heat-trapping gases in Earth's
atmosphere.

"Pete Dimsman" wrote in message
...

According to this report, all of this may be a moot point soon:

http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/science...eut/index.html
Study: Arctic warming at twice the global rate

Species, including polar bears, may go extinct as ice melts.

OSLO, Norway (Reuters) -- Global warming is heating the Arctic almost
twice as fast as the rest of the planet in a thaw that threatens millions
of livelihoods and could wipe out polar bears by 2100, an eight-nation
report said on Monday.

The biggest survey to date of the Arctic climate, by 250 scientists, said
the accelerating melt could be a foretaste of wider disruptions from a
build-up of human emissions of heat-trapping gases in Earth's atmosphere.


Hysteria over normal weather patterns that have nothing to do with man's
influence, noted.

Read the article here
http://www.technologyreview.com/arti...ller101504.asp or the
web page of the authors here
http://www.uoguelph.ca/~rmckitri/res...te.fall04.html

Or access it through hehttp://www.acia.uaf.edu/
This will take you to the actual report.

This is worth reading:

The basic information is this: the analysis of the tree ring data that gives
the 'hockey stick' shaped heat increase curve that shows a significant
increase in global warming since the industrial revolution is seriously
flawed. The authors of the web page referenced above found that even
inputting random, meaningless, valueless data (into the analysis algorithm
used to develop the global warming graph) produced the same curve. In other
words, the apparent sudden increase in global warming since the industrial
age started might be totally false. It's a serious mistake to make national
and international policy (Kyoto protocol) based on bogus figures.

Michael McKelvy wrote:

The basic information is this: the analysis of the tree ring data that gives
the 'hockey stick' shaped heat increase curve that shows a significant
increase in global warming since the industrial revolution is seriously
flawed. The authors of the web page referenced above found that even
inputting random, meaningless, valueless data (into the analysis algorithm
used to develop the global warming graph) produced the same curve. In other
words, the apparent sudden increase in global warming since the industrial
age started might be totally false. It's a serious mistake to make national
and international policy (Kyoto protocol) based on bogus figures.

Note - the magnetic field strength is also fluctuating greatly.

When the two happen at the same time, about every 10,000 years or so,
(and we're due), the Earth's magnetic poles reverse. This easily
explains the ozone holes - we're about to "flip" during the next
100-200 years.

The heat - well, that's a double-whammy. We're heading into
another ice-age. It gets hot(the thinner atmosphere form the weaker
magnetic fields as noted above make it worse as well), then
the poles and snow melts and the oceans are diluted enough to
stop the various "streams"(Gulf stream for example) from properly
flowing. The planet goes "cold" in less than 100 years.

Our pollution makes maybe a 1-2% impact on this cycle. A blip
in a much larger problem that we can do nothing about.

The cycle repeats again and again until the core runs out of heat
and the magnetic field drops to 0 - at which time the radiation belts
fail completely and the atmoshpere is ripped away. That's how Mars
died and how most planets of our type die as well. Thankfully, we're
not due for that for another 100 million years or so. Heh. Plenty
of time to escape for greener pastures.

Michael McKelvy wrote:

The basic information is this: the analysis of the tree ring data that gives
the 'hockey stick' shaped heat increase curve that shows a significant
increase in global warming since the industrial revolution is seriously
flawed. The authors of the web page referenced above found that even
inputting random, meaningless, valueless data (into the analysis algorithm
used to develop the global warming graph) produced the same curve. In other
words, the apparent sudden increase in global warming since the industrial
age started might be totally false. It's a serious mistake to make national
and international policy (Kyoto protocol) based on bogus figures.

Note - the magnetic field strength is also fluctuating greatly.

When the two happen at the same time, about every 10,000 years or so,
(and we're due), the Earth's magnetic poles reverse. This easily
explains the ozone holes - we're about to "flip" during the next
100-200 years.

The heat - well, that's a double-whammy. We're heading into
another ice-age. It gets hot(the thinner atmosphere form the weaker
magnetic fields as noted above make it worse as well), then
the poles and snow melts and the oceans are diluted enough to
stop the various "streams"(Gulf stream for example) from properly
flowing. The planet goes "cold" in less than 100 years.

Our pollution makes maybe a 1-2% impact on this cycle. A blip
in a much larger problem that we can do nothing about.

The cycle repeats again and again until the core runs out of heat
and the magnetic field drops to 0 - at which time the radiation belts
fail completely and the atmoshpere is ripped away. That's how Mars
died and how most planets of our type die as well. Thankfully, we're
not due for that for another 100 million years or so. Heh. Plenty
of time to escape for greener pastures.

"Luke Kaven" wrote in message
...
"Michael McKelvy" wrote:

[...]
What we deserve is to have our elections given the same respect as the
rest
of the world gets from us. If some other country decides to elect someone
that a large number of our citizens don't approve of you hear from our
citizens via some newspaper trying to convince them to vote the way we'd
like.

America has been in the asassination and coup business for many years.
Salvadore Allende was a duly elected leader that we overthrew, just
one example.


After his inauguration, Allende began to carry out his platform of
implementing socialist programs in Chile ("La vía chilena al socialismo" -
"The Chilean Way to Socialism"). This included nationalization of certain
large-scale industries (notably copper), reform of the health care system, a
continuation of his predecessor Eduardo Frei Montalva's reforms of the
educational system, a program of free milk for children, and an attempt at
agrarian reform [1]
(http://icarito.latercera.cl/icarito/2003/912/pag1a.htm). A new "excess
profit tax" was created. The government announced a moratorium on foreign
debt payments and defaulted on debts held by international creditors and
foreign governments. These moves angered some middle-class and almost all
upper-class elements, while greatly increasing Allende's support among the
working class and the poorer strata of society. Thus, the country was
polarized.

Throughout his presidency, Allende remained at odds with the Chilean
Congress, which was dominated by the Christian Democratic Party. The
Christian Democrats had campaigned on a left-wing platform in the 1970
elections, but they began to drift more and more towards the right during
Allende's presidency, eventually forming a coalition with the right-wing
National Party. They continued to allege that Allende was leading Chile
toward a Cuban-style dictatorship and sought to overturn many of his more
radical reforms. Some members even called for the normally apolitical
Chilean military to stage a coup to "protect the constitution". Allende and
his opponents in Congress repeatedly accused each other of undermining the
Chilean Constitution and acting undemocratically.

In 1971, following a month-long visit of Cuban president Fidel Castro, with
whom he had a close friendship, Allende announced the re-establishment of
diplomatic relations with Cuba, despite a previously established
Organization of American States convention that no nation in the Western
Hemisphere would do so (the only exception being Mexico, which had refused
to adopt that convention).

Allende's increasingly bold socialist policies (partly a response to
pressure from some of the Marxists within his coalition), combined with his
close contacts with Cuba, heightened fears in Washington. The Nixon
administration began exerting economic pressure on Chile via multilateral
organizations, and continued to back his opponents in the Chilean Congress

See Chilean coup of 1973.

In 1973, partly as a result of Allende's unpopularity with many of Chile's
foreign trading partners and partly as a result of the rapidly declining
price of copper (Chile's main export), the economy took a major downturn. By
September, hyperinflation and shortages had plunged the country into near
chaos. On September 11, the Chilean military, led by General Augusto
Pinochet, staged the Chilean coup of 1973 against Allende. During the
capture of the La Moneda Presidential Palace, Allende died. The nature of
his death is unclear: His personal doctor said that he committed suicide
with a machine gun, an interpretation allegedly confirmed by autopsy, while
some of his supporters and family insist that he was killed by Pinochet's
military forces while defending the palace.

It is known that the U.S. played a role in Chilean politics prior to the
coup, but its degree of involvement in the coup itself is debated. The CIA
was notified by its Chilean contacts of the impending Pinochet coup two days
in advance, but contends it "played no direct role in" the coup. [2]
(http://cbsnews.cbs.com/stories/2000/...in232452.shtml) After
Pinochet assumed power, U.S. Secretary of State Henry Kissinger told U.S.
President Richard Nixon that the U.S. "didn't do it" (referring to the coup
itself) but had "created the conditions as great as possible" [3]
(http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/...ndex.htm#chile). Recently
declassified documents show that the United States government and the CIA
had sought the overthrow of Allende in 1970, immediately after he took
office ("Project FUBELT"), but claims of their direct involvement in the
1973 coup are not proven by publicly available documentary evidence; many
potentially relevant documents still remain classified (see U.S.
intervention in Chile


Now what reason could anybody have for wanting a guy who personally ruined
the economy of a country out of office. No evidence that the US
participated in the coup so far though. Very similar to Clinton in that he
did not recieve a mjority of the vote but only a plurality of 36%.

You aren't trying to convince me that other countries don;'t get involved in
such things, are you?



You won't find one of our newspapers with a banner headline saying that X
number of your citizens are dumb.

You said that to most of the countries in Europe just last year.
Remember all of the colourful names you called the French?

[...]
**** off you stupid little twit. Go fix your own problems and stop
bitching
about our choices. Without us, you'd be nowhere and nothing.

Here's a monument to the arrogance that dooms your cause in the end.
It is funny, considering that you're talking to the EU, a superpower
even bigger than America--and once it pulls itself together, a more
powerful one. You are foolish to be beckoning world war.

Luke

Sorry Luke, but I don't believe the EU is going to go to war against the
U.S. and lose so many customers for it's products. The fact is that the
countries in Europe are going to always be behind the US since they can't
seem to live without their much larger welfare state.