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166XL Compressor - Advanced Fingerstyle Guitar and Strummingw/acoustic guitar
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acoustic guitar I seemed to be having problems with getting a clean recording when I strum (some harder strumming). Then immediately some elaborate finger- picking. I don't know how to utilize the 166XL Compressor I bought to it's maximum potential. I am using Logic 8. I like to go in and record on one track, using two 451b AKG mics. I am using an expensive Santa Cruz acoustic guitar om/pw (expensive for me at least I am get some clipping, but in the meters in logic it isn't showing clipping so I really think it is doing it in the 166XL compressor. I've turned down my "Really Nice Preamp" for the two stereo mics I have. So I don't think it is doing it there either. I also use a Presonus Firebox for the interface. Any help would sure be appreciated. I have read a bit on the forums, but have not found any info on the fingerpicking-strumming and achieving a nice balance recording wise. I sure would be tickled to receive some sound advice on this. I have been recorded for a long time. But don't do alot of hard strumming - fingerpicking. Kind of Bella Fleck meets the strumming on Stairway to Heaven meets (not that dramatic). Again, please email me as soon as you can cause I am addicted to recorded and will try desperately to figure it out, but I know I can save loads of labor with a real pro that can let me see the light sort of speak. Thanks again!!!! |
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166XL Compressor - Advanced Fingerstyle Guitar and Strummingw/acoustic guitar
On Sep 27, 10:48*pm, thetiler wrote:
166XL Compressor - Advanced Fingerstyle Guitar and Strumming w/ acoustic guitar I seemed to be having problems with getting a clean recording when I strum (some harder strumming). Then immediately some elaborate finger- picking. I don't know how to utilize the 166XL Compressor I bought to it's maximum potential. I am using Logic 8. *I like to go in and record on one track, using two 451b AKG mics. I am using an expensive Santa Cruz acoustic guitar om/pw (expensive for me at least I get some clipping, but in the meters in logic it isn't showing clipping, so I really think it is doing it in the 166XL compressor. I've turned down my "Really Nice Preamp" for the two stereo mics I have. *So I don't think it is doing it there either. I also use a Presonus Firebox for the interface. Any help would sure be appreciated. I have read a bit on the forums, but have not found any info on the fingerpicking-strumming and achieving a nice balance recording wise. I sure would be tickled to receive some sound advice on this. I have been recording for a long time. * Don't do alot of *hard strumming - fingerpicking. So I am lost to get a nice sound on the combination of sounds. Kind of Bella Fleck meets the strumming on Stairway to Heaven meets (not that dramatic). Again, please email me as soon as you can cause I am addicted to recording and will try desperately to figure it out, but I know I can save loads of labor with a real pro that can let me see the light sort of speak. Thanks again!!!! (I tried to edit my spelling on the original post but couldn't find the edit button. But found it on the reply. Sorry for spelling errors! |
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166XL Compressor - Advanced Fingerstyle Guitar and Strumming w/acoustic guitar
thetiler wrote:
166XL Compressor - Advanced Fingerstyle Guitar and Strumming w/ acoustic guitar I seemed to be having problems with getting a clean recording when I strum (some harder strumming). Then immediately some elaborate finger- picking. I don't know how to utilize the 166XL Compressor I bought to it's maximum potential. I am using Logic 8. I like to go in and record on one track, using two 451b AKG mics. I am using an expensive Santa Cruz acoustic guitar om/pw (expensive for me at least How are you positioning the mics in relation to the guitar? I am get some clipping, but in the meters in logic it isn't showing clipping so I really think it is doing it in the 166XL compressor. What is your interface to get audio into the computer? I've turned down my "Really Nice Preamp" for the two stereo mics I have. So I don't think it is doing it there either. I also use a Presonus Firebox for the interface. Any help would sure be appreciated. Remove the compressor from the signal chain. Set the RNP such that levels in Logic peak around -18dBFS. Do you still hear clipping? -- ha Iraq is Arabic for Vietnam |
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166XL Compressor - Advanced Fingerstyle Guitar and Strummingw/acoustic guitar
On Sep 27, 11:10*pm, (hank alrich) wrote:
thetiler wrote: 166XL Compressor - Advanced FingerstyleGuitarandStrummingw/ acousticguitar I seemed to be having problems with getting a cleanrecordingwhen I strum (some harderstrumming). Then immediately some elaborate finger- picking. I don't know how to utilize the 166XL Compressor I bought to it's maximum potential. I am using Logic 8. *I like to go in and record on one track, using two 451b AKG mics. I am using an expensive Santa Cruzacousticguitar om/pw (expensive for me at least How are you positioning the mics in relation to theguitar? I am get some clipping, but in the meters in logic it isn't showing clipping so I really think it is doing it in the 166XL compressor. What is your interface to get audio into the computer? I've turned down my "Really Nice Preamp" for the two stereo mics I have. *So I don't think it is doing it there either. I also use a Presonus Firebox for the interface. Any help would sure be appreciated. Remove the compressor from the signal chain. Set the RNP such that levels in Logic peak around -18dBFS. Do you still hear clipping? -- ha Iraq is Arabic for Vietnam What I want to do is to use the compressor and learn how to get the most out of it. I've heard that the compressor is good for transitions like that. Between strumming and finger-picking. I really don't want to take out the wiring that i've done in setting up the compressor. I The interface I use to get the audio in the computer is the Prosonus Firebox. It is two channels. Thanks for responding |
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166XL Compressor - Advanced Fingerstyle Guitar and Strumming w/acoustic guitar
thetiler wrote:
On Sep 27, 11:10 pm, (hank alrich) wrote: thetiler wrote: 166XL Compressor - Advanced FingerstyleGuitarandStrummingw/ acousticguitar I seemed to be having problems with getting a cleanrecordingwhen I strum (some harderstrumming). Then immediately some elaborate finger- picking. I don't know how to utilize the 166XL Compressor I bought to it's maximum potential. I am using Logic 8. I like to go in and record on one track, using two 451b AKG mics. I am using an expensive Santa Cruzacousticguitar om/pw (expensive for me at least How are you positioning the mics in relation to theguitar? I am get some clipping, but in the meters in logic it isn't showing clipping so I really think it is doing it in the 166XL compressor. What is your interface to get audio into the computer? I've turned down my "Really Nice Preamp" for the two stereo mics I have. So I don't think it is doing it there either. I also use a Presonus Firebox for the interface. Any help would sure be appreciated. Remove the compressor from the signal chain. Set the RNP such that levels in Logic peak around -18dBFS. Do you still hear clipping? What I want to do is to use the compressor and learn how to get the most out of it. I've heard that the compressor is good for transitions like that. Whatever you've heard, I can tell you that until you take the comp out of the chain you won't know if the comp is the source of the problem. That's why I suggested bypassing it, physically, and staging gain such that clipping should not be happening. This stuff isn't about what we've "heard" on the 'net or read in a book: it's about what we hear while we're working. Between strumming and finger-picking. I really don't want to take out the wiring that i've done in setting up the compressor. I The interface I use to get the audio in the computer is the Prosonus Firebox. It is two channels. Thanks for responding -- ha Iraq is Arabic for Vietnam |
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166XL Compressor - Advanced Fingerstyle Guitar and Strumming w/acoustic guitar
On Sat, 27 Sep 2008 22:48:31 -0700 (PDT), thetiler
wrote: I seemed to be having problems with getting a clean recording when I strum (some harder strumming). Then immediately some elaborate finger- picking. I don't know how to utilize the 166XL Compressor I bought to it's maximum potential. I am using Logic 8. I like to go in and record on one track, using two 451b AKG mics. I am using an expensive Santa Cruz acoustic guitar om/pw (expensive for me at least I am get some clipping, but in the meters in logic it isn't showing clipping so I really think it is doing it in the 166XL compressor. So take the compressor away. Get a clean recording. Then, if you really want to use it while recording (a somewhat unnecessary concept into a digital system with more dynamic range than any other component in your recording chain) hook it up again starting with every control off. If you still clip, sort out your gain structure at both ends of the compressor - out and in. Then start applying moderate amounts of compression and keep listening and looking at the recorded waveform. |
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166XL Compressor - Advanced Fingerstyle Guitar and Strummingw/acoustic guitar
On Sep 28, 1:48 am, thetiler wrote:
I seemed to be having problems with getting a clean recording when I strum (some harder strumming). Then immediately some elaborate finger- picking. So you're going from loud to soft along with a complete change in playing styles? This is not a job for a compressor. It may seem like it from the common misconception of what a compressor does (reduces dynamic range to smooth out the audio level) but it simply doesn't work for this sort of application. It can help to even out the hard strumming and even out the softer fingerpicking, but not both with the same settings. That's where you're getting into trouble. I don't know how to utilize the 166XL Compressor I bought to it's maximum potential. The best way to learn this is to work the knobs while you're listening to the audio running through it. You can't do that an play the guitar at the same time. As others have advised, get the compressor out of the recording chain. Record clean tracks, taking care that neither your preamp nor Personus Firething is clipping. Then rewire things so that you can send the Presonus audio output into the compressor, and the compressor output to the monitor speakers. That way, you can play the track while adjusting the compressor and get a feeling for what it can and can't do. I am get some clipping, but in the meters in logic it isn't showing clipping so I really think it is doing it in the 166XL compressor. It could be the compressor clipping, the preamp clipping, or the Presonus interface clipping. The meters will guide you in setting levels. When you say the meters in Logic aren't showing clipping, that could be misleading. First off, if you're looking at the meters during playback, no level above full scale gets recorded so even if your recording is horribly clipped, the meters won't show it in playback. The RNMP has loads of headroom, but that's because it's capable of a pretty high output level before it clips, probably more level than the compressor can take, and probably more than the Presonus can take as well. You need to work your way through the chain to make sure that no output is overdriving the input to which it connects. I have read a bit on the forums, but have not found any info on the fingerpicking-strumming and achieving a nice balance recording wise. This is best done with your fingers, not a compressor. If you find that you can get the sound you're looking for in each style by using some compression, you may want to record the parts separately, or record without compression and then route the playback through the compressor and re-record to new tracks using the appropriate settings for each part. Or set aside the dbx compressor until you have a more appropriate use for it and use a compressor plug-in on the tracks in Logic, with different settings for each part. You seem to be in the trap that most beginners fall into - that buying a piece of gear that you read about on the Internet will replace the recording engineer, producer, or player's skill and taste. It won't. |
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166XL Compressor - Advanced Fingerstyle Guitar and Strummingw/acoustic guitar
thetiler wrote:
166XL Compressor - Advanced Fingerstyle Guitar and Strumming w/ acoustic guitar I seemed to be having problems with getting a clean recording when I strum (some harder strumming). Then immediately some elaborate finger- picking. What does "clean" mean to you? I don't know how to utilize the 166XL Compressor I bought to it's maximum potential. That's okay, you don't need it yet. I suggest getting some recordings, playing them back through the compressor, and listening to the output so you can get feel for what the compressor does, though. I am using Logic 8. I like to go in and record on one track, using two 451b AKG mics. I am using an expensive Santa Cruz acoustic guitar om/pw (expensive for me at least I would not characterise the 451 as particularly clean-sounding myself, but that is a judgement call. I am get some clipping, but in the meters in logic it isn't showing clipping so I really think it is doing it in the 166XL compressor. So take the compressor out. I've turned down my "Really Nice Preamp" for the two stereo mics I have. So I don't think it is doing it there either. I also use a Presonus Firebox for the interface. Okay, so you have the output of the preamp going into the compressor going into the interface? If the compressor is clipping, turning the preamp down more will prevent that. Are you sure it's not the interface that is clipping? If there is a gain control on the interface, turn it up and turn the output of the compressor down. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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