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Are there any decent portable powered speakers available today, good for
music? In the computer stores many brands are out to listen to, and they all sound pretty bad to me. I don't want 5.1, 7.1, or even 2.1 ( 2 with subwoofer). Just 2 speakers, as I will need to carry them from place to place. Obviously 2 small speakers like that will not have as good a sound as a good home stereo system with floor speakers, but are there any that have a decent sound for music, and are decently powered, while still being portable? Thank you for your input. |
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Are there any decent portable powered speakers available today, good for music? In the computer stores many brands are out to listen to, and they all sound pretty bad to me. I don't want 5.1, 7.1, or even 2.1 ( 2 with subwoofer). Just 2 speakers, as I will need to carry them from place to place. Obviously 2 small speakers like that will not have as good a sound as a good home stereo system with floor speakers, but are there any that have a decent sound for music, and are decently powered, while still being portable? Thank you for your input. Look at studio/PA-shop stuff rather than computer shop stuff? try a Google for 'powered monitors' -- Nick H (UK) |
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Nick H (UK) wrote:
MS wrote: Are there any decent portable powered speakers available today, good for music? In the computer stores many brands are out to listen to, and they all sound pretty bad to me. I don't want 5.1, 7.1, or even 2.1 ( 2 with subwoofer). Just 2 speakers, as I will need to carry them from place to place. Obviously 2 small speakers like that will not have as good a sound as a good home stereo system with floor speakers, but are there any that have a decent sound for music, and are decently powered, while still being portable? Thank you for your input. Look at studio/PA-shop stuff rather than computer shop stuff? try a Google for 'powered monitors' http://www.edirol.com/products/info/ma10a.html |
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Actually, I have looked at some of those on the web. In looking at the specs
though, some seem fairly large though, not easy to carry around. And do they set up similarly to the consumer-oriented powered speakers? Are they connected to each other, and the input goes into one of them, and it splits one side of the stereo signal to the other? Or--does each one have to be connected separately to the source device? Whatever happened to "Powered Partners? I recall reading before (haven't tried them myself) that those were the best powered speakers. But now they don't seem to be available. "Nick H (UK)" wrote in message ... MS wrote: Are there any decent portable powered speakers available today, good for music? In the computer stores many brands are out to listen to, and they all sound pretty bad to me. I don't want 5.1, 7.1, or even 2.1 ( 2 with subwoofer). Just 2 speakers, as I will need to carry them from place to place. Obviously 2 small speakers like that will not have as good a sound as a good home stereo system with floor speakers, but are there any that have a decent sound for music, and are decently powered, while still being portable? Thank you for your input. Look at studio/PA-shop stuff rather than computer shop stuff? try a Google for 'powered monitors' -- Nick H (UK) |
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" MS" wrote in message ...
Are there any decent portable powered speakers available today, good for music? Budget? For what purpose? How big is your audience? Where will you use the speakers? How loud do you need? If you just want to entertain yourself, I suggest headphones. In the computer stores many brands are out to listen to, and they all sound pretty bad to me. I don't want 5.1, 7.1, or even 2.1 ( 2 with subwoofer). Just 2 speakers, as I will need to carry them from place to place. Obviously 2 small speakers like that will not have as good a sound as a good home stereo system with floor speakers, but are there any that have a decent sound for music, and are decently powered, while still being portable? Some of the Cambridge SoundWorks speakers are portable and can run from batteries, as shown below. I haven't heard these: http://www.cambridgesoundworks.com/s...t&t ype=store http://www.cambridgesoundworks.com/s...gory=port_spkr http://www.cambridgesoundworks.com/s...y=mul_speakers CSW also sells a lot of gear via eBay.com, so you may want to try there also. I'm guessing Radio Shack and Sony might be other possibilities. There might also be some bigger powered speakers available through music and PA stores. Also: http://search.ebay.com/search/search...ttery+speakers http://search-desc.ebay.com/ws/searc...akers&from=R10 Thank you for your input. Whatever you're interested, if you can't try before you buy, search Google.com for newsgroup and web info on the speakers. Also try web sites that have customer opinions, such as (all dot coms) epinions, amazon, and circuitcity. |
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" MS" wrote in message ...
Are there any decent portable powered speakers available today, good for music? You might want to look at the responses you got when you posted this same question previously in this newsgroup: http://groups.google.com/groups?dq=&...udio.equipment In the computer stores many brands are out to listen to, and they all sound pretty bad to me. I don't want 5.1, 7.1, or even 2.1 ( 2 with subwoofer). Just 2 speakers, as I will need to carry them from place to place. Obviously 2 small speakers like that will not have as good a sound as a good home stereo system with floor speakers, but are there any that have a decent sound for music, and are decently powered, while still being portable? Thank you for your input. |
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" MS" writes:
Are there any decent portable powered speakers available today, good for music? JBL EON series speakers (marketed at musician/DJ stores) are quite popular. Mackie also makes power speakers. Portable is a relative term. What's your application? -- /"\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign | Todd H \ / | http://www.toddh.net/ X Promoting good netiquette | http://triplethreatband.com/ / \ http://www.toddh.net/netiquette/ | "4 lines suffice." |
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"Lionel" wrote in message ... http://www.edirol.com/products/info/ma10a.html Have you used these? How good is the music reproduction? |
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"Neil" wrote in message om... " MS" wrote in message ... Are there any decent portable powered speakers available today, good for music? You might want to look at the responses you got when you posted this same question previously in this newsgroup: Of course I looked at the responses from when I once before asked about powered speakers. (I did not actually purchase any at that time though.) However, that thread was literally years ago, and models of electronic equipment continually change. For instance, as I mentioned, I believe more than one person in that previous thread mentioned the "Powered Partners" brand of powered speaker as the best kind. Now, they seem to have been discontinued. Brands that were available then are not available now. And there are many new brands, that weren't available then, and are now. Actually, although there are probably many more models of powered speaker available now than there were then (due to the growing usage of computer multimedia), I would guess that the general quality of them, at least for music, has gone way down. So, my question was about models available now, not about models from years ago when I posted a similar question. |
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"Neil" wrote in message om... " MS" wrote in message ... Are there any decent portable powered speakers available today, good for music? Budget? Undecided. For what purpose? I'm an elementary school music teacher. Unfortunately (since the district only funds one music teacher per five schools), I teach at five different schools. At some there is a decent stereo I can use. Others not, or not yet. I am putting more music these days on my PDA and laptop computer, so I think it might be a good idea to have a decent pair of powered speakers in my car, that I could use when need be. Therefore, the size should be fairly small, as I often have a LOT of stuff to carry around, therefore no more than 2 speakers (no subwoofer or anything). How big is your audience? Where will you use the speakers? How loud do you need? Sometimes in a large hall, a school auditorium. Sometimes with school choruses, with which I have MIDI accompaniments on my laptop, as many as 60 children or more. Therefore there has to be a balance between size and power. Often a large hall with a lot of kids, for which more power would be good, on the other hand something I can carry around with a lot of other stuff as well. So of course not as small as the tiny "travel speakers" to carry in your suitcase, but still fairly small and portable. If you just want to entertain yourself, I suggest headphones. I have many headphones, thank you. No, I don't "just want to entertain myself". (Actually, that was a strange statement. Did it sound like I was looking for headphones?) Some of the Cambridge SoundWorks speakers are portable and can run from batteries, as shown below. I haven't heard these: http://www.cambridgesoundworks.com/s...t&t ype=store http://www.cambridgesoundworks.com/s...gory=port_spkr http://www.cambridgesoundworks.com/s...y=mul_speakers Thanks for the tip. Has anyone reading actually heard these? Frankly, I don't know if one can judge from brand name, without hearing the speakers. Among those junky-sounding ones in the computer section, there are speakers made by well-known speaker manufacturers (or at least wearing their brand name) such as JBL, Altec-Lansing, etc. They try to market these to people by using fancy names, by the looks, and by the quantity of speakers (7.1, etc.), etc. (Frankly, one decent speaker is worth a million times more than 8 junky ones.) (Now I looked at your CSW links above, and none of the systems on those pages fit the criteria I described. There are the tiny "travel speakers", such as those by Creative Labs., which would offer the utmost in portablity, but not put out enough power for my needs. Then there are these new popular "multimedia" systems with "subwoofers", etc. As I wrote, two good speakers are enough for me, I don't want three, six, eight, 17, or 100.1. ;-) I'm guessing Radio Shack and Sony might be other possibilities. There might also be some bigger powered speakers available through music and PA stores. Sony sells some very small ones, again more in the realm of "travel speakers", for listening to music in your hotel room, not to use with a lot of people in a a large auditorium. Yes, there are many powered speakers available these days, probably more than ever. My question was regarding whether people had heard any that they thought really sounded good for music reproduction. Also: http://search.ebay.com/search/search...ttery+speakers http://search-desc.ebay.com/ws/searc...akers&from=R10 I don't think I would buy speakers I hadn't heard from Ebay. You usually cannot return products bought on Ebay. Whatever you're interested, if you can't try before you buy, search Google.com for newsgroup and web info on the speakers. I have done that. The problem with doing such searches (on web sites, at least) these days, is one comes up with hundreds of hits, 999999% of them being sales sites, price comparison sites, etc. (Even when the title on the Google hit says "reviews", when one clicks on that link, there are usually no reviews, just sales ads, and often not including the product you did the search on.) Serious unbiased reviews are hard to find. Also try web sites that have customer opinions, such as (all dot coms) epinions, amazon, and circuitcity. See above. Epinions is more of a sales site than anything else. |
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"Lionel" wrote in message ... http://www.edirol.com/products/info/ma10a.html Another question about these. There is a model that only has analog inputs (as most do), the red and white RCA jacks. They also have another model that has digital (both optical and coaxial) inputs, as well as the analog ones. If one has a computer that has an optical out port, would there really be any difference in the sound quality of music played from the computer, if one connected it to the speakers via the optical digital port, rather than using the soundcard out port for an analog connection (Y cord-one stereo mini plug in the computer, to the right and left RCA plugs to the speakers.)? Is there really an advantage to having digital in ports on speakers? |
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" MS" wrote in message ...
"Neil" wrote in message om... " MS" wrote in message ... Are there any decent portable powered speakers available today, good for music? You might want to look at the responses you got when you posted this same question previously in this newsgroup: Of course I looked at the responses from when I once before asked about powered speakers. (I did not actually purchase any at that time though.) However, that thread was literally years ago, and models of electronic equipment continually change. Not to be picky, but it was last November, and looking at the URLs in the helpful posts you received then, I see most of the same gear is still available. So you might want to look at those URLs again: http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=e... 6scoring%3Dd From the posts in the above thread, here are some of the brands recommended that are also on eBay: http://search.ebay.com/ws/search/Sal...akers&from=R10 Some brands you might want to look at that might not be mentioned in the November thread are Edirol and Roland. I think they've got portable speakers that would be rugged enough for your needs. I assume they have web sites. For instance, as I mentioned, I believe more than one person in that previous thread mentioned the "Powered Partners" brand of powered speaker as the best kind. Now, they seem to have been discontinued. Those were first sold under the Acoustic Research (AR) brand name, then under the Advent brand name. Assuming they're discontinued, you could probably eventually find a good used pair on eBay. Recoton owns Advent now, I think, so you might use that info to search the web for info and dealers. Here's another suggestion: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tegory=14 991 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tegory=23 794 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tegory=14 991 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tegory=48 690 Those are the Bose RoomMate speakers. I owned a pair for awhile. They're rugged enough for your needs. One of the above sellers has the carrying bag also, which might be good for you to have. The RoomMates are often available on eBay. Brands that were available then are not available now. And there are many new brands, that weren't available then, and are now. Possibly, but generally speaking, in 11 months, there won't be a lot of additions and deletions in audio product lines. Speakers evolve only very slowly, like over several decades, so don't worry about having the latest models. Now that I've mentioned that, I'll suggest you also try local pawn shops and music stores (like Music-Go-Round) that carry used music gear. Pawn shops always have at least some music and PA gear, IME. Try calling around and asking if they have what you want. (snip) Reading over your posts in this thread, you seem to be rather particular, as many people are about speakers. I think the best advice for you might be to visit some music and pro sound stores and buy only what you can try. Then you'll know you have speakers that suit your needs and budget. If you have a Guitar Center store, that would probably be a place to look, for example. At their web site: http://www.guitarvision.com/mf/mf_frameset.htm Then to get some ideas, search for: powered studio monitor |
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Neil,
I'd like to ask 2 questions: How do you manage to get an entire link in your messages without running into trouble at line end? Also, how would I go about doing paleontology on my own posts? Thanks, Norm Strong "Neil" wrote in message om... " MS" wrote in message ... "Neil" wrote in message om... " MS" wrote in message ... Are there any decent portable powered speakers available today, good for music? You might want to look at the responses you got when you posted this same question previously in this newsgroup: Of course I looked at the responses from when I once before asked about powered speakers. (I did not actually purchase any at that time though.) However, that thread was literally years ago, and models of electronic equipment continually change. Not to be picky, but it was last November, and looking at the URLs in the helpful posts you received then, I see most of the same gear is still available. So you might want to look at those URLs again: http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=e... 6scoring%3Dd From the posts in the above thread, here are some of the brands recommended that are also on eBay: http://search.ebay.com/ws/search/Sal...akers&from=R10 Some brands you might want to look at that might not be mentioned in the November thread are Edirol and Roland. I think they've got portable speakers that would be rugged enough for your needs. I assume they have web sites. For instance, as I mentioned, I believe more than one person in that previous thread mentioned the "Powered Partners" brand of powered speaker as the best kind. Now, they seem to have been discontinued. Those were first sold under the Acoustic Research (AR) brand name, then under the Advent brand name. Assuming they're discontinued, you could probably eventually find a good used pair on eBay. Recoton owns Advent now, I think, so you might use that info to search the web for info and dealers. |
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" MS" wrote in message ... "Neil" wrote in message om... " MS" wrote in message ... Are there any decent portable powered speakers available today, good for music? Budget? Undecided. For what purpose? I'm an elementary school music teacher. Unfortunately (since the district only funds one music teacher per five schools), I teach at five different schools. At some there is a decent stereo I can use. Others not, or not yet. I am putting more music these days on my PDA and laptop computer, so I think it might be a good idea to have a decent pair of powered speakers in my car, that I could use when need be. Therefore, the size should be fairly small, as I often have a LOT of stuff to carry around, therefore no more than 2 speakers (no subwoofer or anything). How big is your audience? Where will you use the speakers? How loud do you need? Sometimes in a large hall, a school auditorium. Sometimes with school choruses, with which I have MIDI accompaniments on my laptop, as many as 60 children or more. Therefore there has to be a balance between size and power. Often a large hall with a lot of kids, for which more power would be good, on the other hand something I can carry around with a lot of other stuff as well. So of course not as small as the tiny "travel speakers" to carry in your suitcase, but still fairly small and portable. In these larger arenas you will need some 15's. Definately not small or portable. For the smaller areas some 10's would do good, but auditoriums you need some good throw that comes only in much bigger, much heavier speakers, definately not something you would even want to have stored in your trunk. If you just want to entertain yourself, I suggest headphones. I have many headphones, thank you. No, I don't "just want to entertain myself". (Actually, that was a strange statement. Did it sound like I was looking for headphones?) Some of the Cambridge SoundWorks speakers are portable and can run from batteries, as shown below. I haven't heard these: http://www.cambridgesoundworks.com/s...=mul_speakers& item=a1mmbatt&type=store http://www.cambridgesoundworks.com/s...gory=port_spkr http://www.cambridgesoundworks.com/s...y=mul_speakers Thanks for the tip. Has anyone reading actually heard these? Frankly, I don't know if one can judge from brand name, without hearing the speakers. Among those junky-sounding ones in the computer section, there are speakers made by well-known speaker manufacturers (or at least wearing their brand name) such as JBL, Altec-Lansing, etc. They try to market these to people by using fancy names, by the looks, and by the quantity of speakers (7.1, etc.), etc. (Frankly, one decent speaker is worth a million times more than 8 junky ones.) Go to a music store and listen to the pro quality (Yahama, Behringer, etc.), or music quality (Peavey) speakers. (Now I looked at your CSW links above, and none of the systems on those pages fit the criteria I described. There are the tiny "travel speakers", such as those by Creative Labs., which would offer the utmost in portablity, but not put out enough power for my needs. Then there are these new popular "multimedia" systems with "subwoofers", etc. As I wrote, two good speakers are enough for me, I don't want three, six, eight, 17, or 100.1. ;-) Your desires are phantomware. The products that meet your desires do not exist. You can NOT get the sound you want in the auditoriums or gyms without the 15's. You *might* get away with four 12's or even a pair of double 12's, but you are talking even more space needed than you want. Also, what are you powering them off of? Do you have a decent mixer to run the computer through? Your source is not very good unless you have a Turtle Beach or similar top of the line sound card. You really are not going to get excellent sound from a computer no matter how good your speakers are. Therefore all you need are something like a Peavey or Sonic or some such low-grade powered speaker. Then again, your handling needs show you need a better quality cabinet that can handle the abuse of being stored in the car, something that is all-weather to handle the dampness and cold and heat of being abused while stored in the uninsulated, unheated, unair-conditioned trunk. I think your most reasonable solution is to go mono and stick with a single 15. -- Mike D. Remove .spamnot to respond by email |
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"Lionel" wrote in message ... http://www.edirol.com/products/info/ma10a.html Another question about these. There is a model that only has analog inputs (as most do), the red and white RCA jacks. They also have another model that has digital (both optical and coaxial) inputs, as well as the analog ones. If one has a computer that has an optical out port, would there really be any difference in the sound quality of music played from the computer, if one connected it to the speakers via the optical digital port, rather than using the soundcard out port for an analog connection Depends entirely on if the speakers or the sound card have the higher quality DAC. (Y cord-one stereo mini plug in the computer, to the right and left RCA plugs to the speakers.)? Is there really an advantage to having digital in ports on speakers? -- Nick H (UK) |
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MS wrote:
"Neil" wrote in message om... " MS" wrote in message ... Are there any decent portable powered speakers available today, good for music? Budget? Undecided. For what purpose? I'm an elementary school music teacher. Unfortunately (since the district only funds one music teacher per five schools), I teach at five different schools. At some there is a decent stereo I can use. Others not, or not yet. I am putting more music these days on my PDA and laptop computer, so I think it might be a good idea to have a decent pair of powered speakers in my car, that I could use when need be. Therefore, the size should be fairly small, as I often have a LOT of stuff to carry around, therefore no more than 2 speakers (no subwoofer or anything). How big is your audience? Where will you use the speakers? How loud do you need? Sometimes in a large hall, a school auditorium. Sometimes with school choruses, with which I have MIDI accompaniments on my laptop, as many as 60 children or more. Therefore there has to be a balance between size and power. Often a large hall with a lot of kids, for which more power would be good, on the other hand something I can carry around with a lot of other stuff as well. So of course not as small as the tiny "travel speakers" to carry in your suitcase, but still fairly small and portable. If you just want to entertain yourself, I suggest headphones. I have many headphones, thank you. No, I don't "just want to entertain myself". (Actually, that was a strange statement. Did it sound like I was looking for headphones?) It sounded like you were playing music from your computer. Something many people do alone, so not *such* a strange suggestion Nick H snip snip snip |
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"Mike Dobony" wrote in message ... In these larger arenas you will need some 15's. Definately not small or portable. For the smaller areas some 10's would do good, but auditoriums you need some good throw that comes only in much bigger, much heavier speakers, definately not something you would even want to have stored in your trunk. Sorry if I'm ignorant, but what are you referring to with these numbers, 10s or 15s? Do you mean the watts per channel? The size of the speakers? Go to a music store and listen to the pro quality (Yahama, Behringer, etc.), or music quality (Peavey) speakers. Do you mean like the powered monitors someone mentioned? Yes, I may do that. Your desires are phantomware. The products that meet your desires do not exist. You can NOT get the sound you want in the auditoriums or gyms without the 15's. You *might* get away with four 12's or even a pair of double 12's, but you are talking even more space needed than you want. As I said, there is of course a trade-off between size and quality/power. Of course there are no tiny speakers that sound better than a full size home system. Just wondering what might be a good balance--something that's still fairly small and portable (while of course not being as small as the tiny "travel speakers"), while having a decent sound for music. (Of course not the best, at that size.) Wondering whether there are any models that readers here might recommend. Also, what are you powering them off of? ??? We are talking about powered speakers, aren't we? They have their own power source, and plug into AC. I think your most reasonable solution is to go mono and stick with a single 15. Actually, I need stereo. No time to explain in depth now. For instance, in those choral accompaniments I mentioned, with two part voice parts, I have one part coming through one speaker, the other vocal part panned to the other side. |
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"Neil" wrote in message om... Those were first sold under the Acoustic Research (AR) brand name, then under the Advent brand name. Assuming they're discontinued, you could probably eventually find a good used pair on eBay. Recoton owns Advent now, I think, so you might use that info to search the web for info and dealers. I think Recoton has gone out of business. When I tried their web site the other day (www.recoton.com), always got a page not found message. Same thing with www.adventaudio.com |
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"normanstrong" wrote in message news:FRSlb.8724$Fm2.7212@attbi_s04...
Neil, Norm, get comfortable, because I'm about to give you more info than you wanted, but that I think might be useful. I'm using the Powered Partners in some seach examples too, since there's been some interest in this thread. I'd like to ask 2 questions: How do you manage to get an entire link in your messages without running into trouble at line end? 1. Here's my answer to your first question, with a lot of other possibly-useful info thrown in: I don't know if the following makes any difference, but I use Google.com to read and post to newsgroups. However, I don't know if posting via Google provides the ability you ask about, or if your newsreader makes any difference, or some or none of the above makes a difference! The advantage of using Google as a newsreader is that anywhere I go, as long as there's a web connection, I can read and post to newsgroups. No need to worry about having any special newsreader. Google.com has newsgroup features that let me find, search, read, and post to newsgroups. You can find newsgroups via Google by going to: http://www.google.com Then click on "Groups." Next you'll see the newsgroups search page. Then you can enter the name of a newsgroup, such as alt.audio.equipment, and search it, which will produce the following: http://groups.google.com/groups?q=al...=Google+Search From the above, you can read the newsgroup and post to it. Google doesn't provide service for all newsgroups, unless things have changed. I don't think Google will work as a newsgroup reader for newsgroups that carry images either. BTW, the way I knew the OP in this thread had posted with the same questions last year is because he used the same title for his post last November and this October. Because Google works like a search engine when you use it to access a newsgroup, it puts all posts with the same title into one thread. Here's the newsgroup again, seen as a Google search: http://groups.google.com/groups?q=al...=Google+Search Then you'll see the "Powered Speakers?" thread. If you click on that, you'll see: http://groups.google.com/groups?dq=&...oogle%2BSearch As you can see at the above, that thread includes all posts titled "Powered Speakers?" If you ever want to convert long URLs (such as the above URL) to short URLs, use the "Tiny URL" web site: http://tinyurl.com/ I haven't used the above method, but I've seen other people use it in newsgroups. Also, how would I go about doing paleontology on my own posts? 2. Just do a Google search for your own e-mail address. For example: http://groups.google.com/groups?num=...=Google+Search The above will search all newsgroups covered by Google and look for posts that include your e-mail address. As you can see at the above web page, you can tweak things how you like them. Play with it and you'll get the hang of it. If you bookmark and click on the above URL, you can follow all your posts in all newsgroups. You can also see any posts (such as newsgroup responses to your posts) that include your e-mail address. By that method, you can see if there have been any responses to your posts, without having to look at each newsgroup and thread individually. I'll add that Google owns the old Deja.com database. Deja was another newsgroup database and search tool, formerly called DejaNews. It was possible to do all this stuff through Deja, but Google has a better user interface. I'm not sure how many years back the database goes. If you start experimenting with Google, you'll see it can do all sorts of nifty things, like web image searches. For example, try using Google for image searches of: "powered partners" advent And you'll see: http://images.google.com/images?hl=e...rs%22+ad vent Which will give you a thumbnail image that will take you to: http://images.google.com/imgres?imgu...1%26safe%3Doff Google will do a lot of other stuff, like find phone numbers, but I don't know all that stuff. Here's an interesting page Google has: http://www.google.com/press/zeitgeist.html Google also offers a consumer-info tool, which I haven't used: http://froogle.google.com/ From the above, I searched for: "powered partners" advent And found this: http://froogle.google.com/froogle?q=...ners%22+advent I tried: "powered partners" ar And found: http://froogle.google.com/froogle?q=...partners%22+ar And: "powered partners" "acoustic research" Which lead me to: http://froogle.google.com/froogle?q=...+resea rch%22 Thanks, Norm Strong No problem. I move around and like to be able to look at newsgroups wherever I go, so as long as whatever computer I use has web access, I can use Google's newsgroup features to find, search, read, and post to newsgroups. One thing I'll add for anyone who wants to try posting via Google: It will take several hours for your posts to appear in Google newsgroup searches. So if you post via Google, don't be surprised when your posts don't appear in Google searches for a few hours. (snip) |
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" MS" wrote in message ...
"Neil" wrote in message om... Those were first sold under the Acoustic Research (AR) brand name, then under the Advent brand name. Assuming they're discontinued, you could probably eventually find a good used pair on eBay. Recoton owns Advent now, I think, so you might use that info to search the web for info and dealers. I think Recoton has gone out of business. When I tried their web site the other day (www.recoton.com), Now that you mention it, Recoton being in some trouble does sound familiar. always got a page not found message. Same thing with www.adventaudio.com Looking back at your posts, I see you're looking for powered speakers for use "Sometimes in a large hall, a school auditorium. Sometimes with school choruses." The Powered Partners are really designed for desktop use, although they'd probably be adequate in a classroom. This audio group is really more about home audio gear (like for home stereos) than the sort of gear you need. What you need is a small pro sound system, like maybe a pair of powered PA or musical-instrument speakers. Gear like that will be designed to put out much more sound and be more rugged and easier to move than home audio gear. I figure you could buy a pair of smallish powered PA speakers, then use one or two of them at a time, depending on your needs. Another way to go would be to get something like a one-piece guitar amp with a speaker, which you can find in any pawn shop or music store. You'd probably need something with at least one 12" speaker. There are also keyboard amps like this, and I'm guessing they might have a slightly cleaner sound than a guitar amp. Here are some examples. I used to work in a music store occasionally many years ago and didn't sell these brands, so I can't really comment on the following. These are just meant as examples: http://www.peavey.com/products/ http://www.peavey.com/products/shop_...de/2G/solo.cfm http://www.peavey.com/products/shop_...ode/4/usti.cfm http://www.jblpro.com/pages/mi/mi_prod.htm My recommendation, given that your needs include playing "Sometimes in a large hall, a school auditorium. Sometimes with school choruses" is that you forget about desktop speakers like the Powered Partners, and instead shop only in places that sell music and PA gear. Take your keyboards and instruments with you and buy what sounds good to you and is easy to carry. If the gear in the stores doesn't have wheels, ask if they can be added. Another way to go would be to plug into the schools' PA systems and/or use a microphone held close to your instruments. But I think it would be nice for you to have your own gear that you know well and are comfortable with, so you don't have to count on each school having an adequate and functioning PA system. Two more thoughts: Try rec.audio.pro Use Google.com to search newsgroups and web. I'll bet there are other teachers out there, as well as entertainers and church musicians, who've been in your situation and tried and found some solutions. And speaking collectively on behalf of myself and other parents, thank you for bringing music and music education to schoolkids! When I was a kid, my school system had a circuit-riding music teacher like you. Without her, we would have had almost no music education at all. I hope you realize that you're performing a very important job to all your kids. Again, thanks! |
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"Lionel" wrote in message ... http://www.edirol.com/products/info/ma10a.html I listened to some powered monitors in a music store this afternoon. Most were too big and heavy for the portability I require, as well as being very expensive. Also, most have separate inputs per speaker (the speakers do not connect to each other, each has its own (monaural) input which makes connecting to a stereo source more complicated, having to split the stereo source into two long monaural output cords). I heard a couple very small Roland powered monitors (I think MA8 and MA12). Although very small, portable, and inexpensive, with a stereo input on one speaker, which outputs to the other speaker and also rugged-looking, I didn't like their sound very much. The store didn't stock any Edirol MA10s. However, they did have an Edirol MA20 (pair) on hand. I really liked the sound of those, better than any others I heard there, including some more expensive. I wonder what the MA10s are like. Obviously they'll have less power (10 watts per channel) than the MA 20s (20 watts per channel), and probably less bass response. Smaller though. Anyone here used the MA10, and could comment on their sound? They (MA20) also have stereo input on one side. One negative I could see on the MA-20, it looked very UN-Sturdy. One fall to the ground, and I think that speaker would be broken. |
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"Lionel" wrote in message ... http://www.edirol.com/products/info/ma10a.html I listened to some powered monitors in a music store this afternoon. Most were too big and heavy for the portability I require, as well as being very expensive. Also, most have separate inputs per speaker (the speakers do not connect to each other, each has its own (monaural) input which makes connecting to a stereo source more complicated, having to split the stereo source into two long monaural output cords). I heard a couple very small Roland powered monitors (I think MA8 and MA12). Although very small, portable, and inexpensive, with a stereo input on one speaker, which outputs to the other speaker and also rugged-looking, I didn't like their sound very much. The store didn't stock any Edirol MA10s. However, they did have an Edirol MA20 (pair) on hand. I really liked the sound of those, better than any others I heard there, including some more expensive. I wonder what the MA10s are like. Obviously they'll have less power (10 watts per channel) than the MA 20s (20 watts per channel), and probably less bass response. Smaller though. Anyone here used the MA10, and could comment on their sound? They (MA20) also have stereo input on one side. One negative I could see on the MA-20, it looked very UN-Sturdy. One fall to the ground, and I think that speaker would be broken. You pays your money and make your choice... Or Not. --Or-- You Get What You Pay For (sometimes) -- Nick H (UK) |
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" MS" wrote in message ... "Mike Dobony" wrote in message ... In these larger arenas you will need some 15's. Definately not small or portable. For the smaller areas some 10's would do good, but auditoriums you need some good throw that comes only in much bigger, much heavier speakers, definately not something you would even want to have stored in your trunk. Sorry if I'm ignorant, but what are you referring to with these numbers, 10s or 15s? Do you mean the watts per channel? The size of the speakers? 15" speakers, specifically the woofers, the bass and midrange. Anything less than 250 watts RMS will be a waste. Your groups will not sound very good and you will be hunting for something bigger before the year is out. Go to a music store and listen to the pro quality (Yahama, Behringer, etc.), or music quality (Peavey) speakers. Do you mean like the powered monitors someone mentioned? Yes, I may do that. Your desires are phantomware. The products that meet your desires do not exist. You can NOT get the sound you want in the auditoriums or gyms without the 15's. You *might* get away with four 12's or even a pair of double 12's, but you are talking even more space needed than you want. As I said, there is of course a trade-off between size and quality/power. Of course there are no tiny speakers that sound better than a full size home system. Just wondering what might be a good balance--something that's still fairly small and portable (while of course not being as small as the tiny "travel speakers"), while having a decent sound for music. (Of course not the best, at that size.) Wondering whether there are any models that readers here might recommend. Also, what are you powering them off of? ??? We are talking about powered speakers, aren't we? They have their own power source, and plug into AC. How are you getting sound to them? Plugging directly in from your computer/cd player/tape player? You will need something to control volume. A small Behringer mixer for about $50 would do you well to feed a pair of B300 Behringer 15" speakers with a plastic cabinet would give you the power and sound you need, but they are not cheap. New you can get them for about $700 a pair and the Eurorack UB502, 802 or 1002 for up to $60 at Musician's Friend, http://www.musiciansfriend.com and get free shipping. You can also ckeck out Ebay and some other web sites and get it cheaper or go used and save another $100-200. Much less than this and you will not be sounding very good at all in the larger sites. I think your most reasonable solution is to go mono and stick with a single 15. Actually, I need stereo. No time to explain in depth now. For instance, in those choral accompaniments I mentioned, with two part voice parts, I have one part coming through one speaker, the other vocal part panned to the other side. These can be combined with a simple mixer that has both mono and stereo outputs. -- Mike D. Remove .spamnot to respond by email |
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"Neil" wrote in message om... " MS" wrote in message ... "Neil" wrote in message om... Those were first sold under the Acoustic Research (AR) brand name, then under the Advent brand name. Assuming they're discontinued, you could probably eventually find a good used pair on eBay. Recoton owns Advent now, I think, so you might use that info to search the web for info and dealers. I think Recoton has gone out of business. When I tried their web site the other day (www.recoton.com), Now that you mention it, Recoton being in some trouble does sound familiar. always got a page not found message. Same thing with www.adventaudio.com Looking back at your posts, I see you're looking for powered speakers for use "Sometimes in a large hall, a school auditorium. Sometimes with school choruses." The Powered Partners are really designed for desktop use, although they'd probably be adequate in a classroom. This audio group is really more about home audio gear (like for home stereos) than the sort of gear you need. What you need is a small pro sound system, like maybe a pair of powered PA or musical-instrument speakers. Gear like that will be designed to put out much more sound and be more rugged and easier to move than home audio gear. I figure you could buy a pair of smallish powered PA speakers, then use one or two of them at a time, depending on your needs. Another way to go would be to get something like a one-piece guitar amp with a speaker, which you can find in any pawn shop or music store. You'd probably need something with at least one 12" speaker. There are also keyboard amps like this, and I'm guessing they might have a slightly cleaner sound than a guitar amp. Absolutely avoid a guitar amp. Their range stinks for the intended use, little, if any upper end. A keyboard amp has a horn for the highs and is a much better prospect for playing music from a CD/computer/tape. However they do not have enough power for the larger sites. For these, 250 watts RMS is an absolute minimum power level to get a decent sound throughout the room. 12" woofers are a minimum. 15" will do much better, though they are mcuh bigger and heavier speakers. They will be better able to fill those large rooms like the gym or auditorium. -- Mike D. Remove .spamnot to respond by email Here are some examples. I used to work in a music store occasionally many years ago and didn't sell these brands, so I can't really comment on the following. These are just meant as examples: http://www.peavey.com/products/ http://www.peavey.com/products/shop_...etails/item/00 490250/wc/2A2G/fam/2/tcode/2G/solo.cfm http://www.peavey.com/products/shop_...etails/item/00 486070/wc/1A1B4/fam/1B/tcode/4/usti.cfm http://www.jblpro.com/pages/mi/mi_prod.htm My recommendation, given that your needs include playing "Sometimes in a large hall, a school auditorium. Sometimes with school choruses" is that you forget about desktop speakers like the Powered Partners, and instead shop only in places that sell music and PA gear. Take your keyboards and instruments with you and buy what sounds good to you and is easy to carry. If the gear in the stores doesn't have wheels, ask if they can be added. Another way to go would be to plug into the schools' PA systems and/or use a microphone held close to your instruments. But I think it would be nice for you to have your own gear that you know well and are comfortable with, so you don't have to count on each school having an adequate and functioning PA system. Two more thoughts: Try rec.audio.pro Use Google.com to search newsgroups and web. I'll bet there are other teachers out there, as well as entertainers and church musicians, who've been in your situation and tried and found some solutions. And speaking collectively on behalf of myself and other parents, thank you for bringing music and music education to schoolkids! When I was a kid, my school system had a circuit-riding music teacher like you. Without her, we would have had almost no music education at all. I hope you realize that you're performing a very important job to all your kids. Again, thanks! |
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"Neil" wrote in message om... " MS" wrote in message ... "Neil" wrote in message om... Those were first sold under the Acoustic Research (AR) brand name, then under the Advent brand name. Assuming they're discontinued, you could probably eventually find a good used pair on eBay. Recoton owns Advent now, I think, so you might use that info to search the web for info and dealers. I think Recoton has gone out of business. When I tried their web site the other day (www.recoton.com), Now that you mention it, Recoton being in some trouble does sound familiar. always got a page not found message. Same thing with www.adventaudio.com Looking back at your posts, I see you're looking for powered speakers for use "Sometimes in a large hall, a school auditorium. Sometimes with school choruses." The Powered Partners are really designed for desktop use, although they'd probably be adequate in a classroom. This audio group is really more about home audio gear (like for home stereos) than the sort of gear you need. What you need is a small pro sound system, like maybe a pair of powered PA or musical-instrument speakers. Gear like that will be designed to put out much more sound and be more rugged and easier to move than home audio gear. I figure you could buy a pair of smallish powered PA speakers, then use one or two of them at a time, depending on your needs. Another way to go would be to get something like a one-piece guitar amp with a speaker, which you can find in any pawn shop or music store. You'd probably need something with at least one 12" speaker. There are also keyboard amps like this, and I'm guessing they might have a slightly cleaner sound than a guitar amp. We just got done doing a sound install for a church with a sanctuary the size of a basketball court, maybe just a little bit bigger. That is what I do for a living, church sound installations. It needed a pair of 12's on the side walls in front, a pair of 15's hanging from the ceiling in the front, and a pair of 10's about half way back to fill the area with adequate sound. Obviously this is more than MS needs, but in no way would a single 12 do very much for anybody except the front half of wherever the speaker is pointed. A single 15 might in the middle behind and above the performers might do a fair job for a room the size of a basketball court for what MS intends. That would be pushing it. The keyboard amp needs to be extremely big to fill such a room and again, where is it pointing and where is it located? Put it on the left side of the stage and the right side is going to be missing a lot of sound. Put it in the middle in front of the performers and both front corners will be missing a lot of sound. -- Mike D. www.stopassaultnow.org Remove .spamnot to respond by email -- "Smooth seas do not make skillful sailors." African proverb Here are some examples. I used to work in a music store occasionally many years ago and didn't sell these brands, so I can't really comment on the following. These are just meant as examples: http://www.peavey.com/products/ http://www.peavey.com/products/shop_...etails/item/00 490250/wc/2A2G/fam/2/tcode/2G/solo.cfm http://www.peavey.com/products/shop_...etails/item/00 486070/wc/1A1B4/fam/1B/tcode/4/usti.cfm http://www.jblpro.com/pages/mi/mi_prod.htm My recommendation, given that your needs include playing "Sometimes in a large hall, a school auditorium. Sometimes with school choruses" is that you forget about desktop speakers like the Powered Partners, and instead shop only in places that sell music and PA gear. Take your keyboards and instruments with you and buy what sounds good to you and is easy to carry. If the gear in the stores doesn't have wheels, ask if they can be added. Another way to go would be to plug into the schools' PA systems and/or use a microphone held close to your instruments. But I think it would be nice for you to have your own gear that you know well and are comfortable with, so you don't have to count on each school having an adequate and functioning PA system. Two more thoughts: Try rec.audio.pro Use Google.com to search newsgroups and web. I'll bet there are other teachers out there, as well as entertainers and church musicians, who've been in your situation and tried and found some solutions. And speaking collectively on behalf of myself and other parents, thank you for bringing music and music education to schoolkids! When I was a kid, my school system had a circuit-riding music teacher like you. Without her, we would have had almost no music education at all. I hope you realize that you're performing a very important job to all your kids. Again, thanks! |
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