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Passenger Cat Stevens Gets Plane Diverted
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Jacob Kramer wrote: http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...rted&printer=1 Passenger Cat Stevens Gets Plane Diverted 1 hour, 25 minutes ago By LESLIE MILLER, Associated Press Writer WASHINGTON - A London-to-Washington flight was diverted to Maine when it was discovered that passenger Yusuf Islam — formerly known as singer Cat Stevens — was on a government watch list and barred from entering the country. That's our government at work. Causing the airliner the additional expense when they could have kicked him out in Dallas. |
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"Clyde Slick" wrote in message ... He is suspected of being a fairly heavily contriubutor to Hamas. Is there some particular reason jokers like you copy 1,000 lines and add 1 line? |
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"George M. Middius" wrote in message ... Robert Morein said: WASHINGTON - A London-to-Washington flight was diverted to Maine That's our government at work. Causing the airliner the additional expense when they could have kicked him out in Dallas. That would be a hell of shortcut. Geography much? ;-) George, forgery. Please check headers. |
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"George M. Middius" wrote:
Robert Morein said: WASHINGTON - A London-to-Washington flight was diverted to Maine That's our government at work. Causing the airliner the additional expense when they could have kicked him out in Dallas. That would be a hell of shortcut. Geography much? ;-) Diverting an airliner and requiring an extra landing / take-off is actually very expensive for the airlines. Graham |
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"George M. Middius" wrote in message ... Robert Morein said: WASHINGTON - A London-to-Washington flight was diverted to Maine That's our government at work. Causing the airliner the additional expense when they could have kicked him out in Dallas. That would be a hell of shortcut. Geography much? ;-) |
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"jeffc" wrote in message . com... "Clyde Slick" wrote in message ... Is there some particular reason jokers like you copy 1,000 lines and add 1 line? Yes, one might want to read what I have responded to. Please note that I am normally in the habit of snipping converstations 2 or more posts backwards, when that verbage is not necessary as a reference to my response. |
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"Pooh Bear" wrote in message ... "George M. Middius" wrote: Robert Morein said: WASHINGTON - A London-to-Washington flight was diverted to Maine That's our government at work. Causing the airliner the additional expense when they could have kicked him out in Dallas. That would be a hell of shortcut. Geography much? ;-) Diverting an airliner and requiring an extra landing / take-off is actually very expensive for the airlines. George's notation was in jest, the plane was actually headed for Dulles (Washington, DC area), not Dallas, Texas. |
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Clyde Slick wrote:
"Pooh Bear" wrote in message ... "George M. Middius" wrote: Robert Morein said: WASHINGTON - A London-to-Washington flight was diverted to Maine That's our government at work. Causing the airliner the additional expense when they could have kicked him out in Dallas. That would be a hell of shortcut. Geography much? ;-) Diverting an airliner and requiring an extra landing / take-off is actually very expensive for the airlines. George's notation was in jest, the plane was actually headed for Dulles (Washington, DC area), not Dallas, Texas. Yeah - I thought he was being dim. I can only assume that it was Homeland Paranoia that insisted on the plane setting down at nearest landfall, lest an dangerous musician set foot on US soil. Graham |
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"Clyde Slick" wrote in message ... "jeffc" wrote in message . com... "Clyde Slick" wrote in message ... Is there some particular reason jokers like you copy 1,000 lines and add 1 line? Yes, one might want to read what I have responded to. Then again, we might not - especially considering any newsreader will already have it there. |
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George M. Middius wrote: Robert Morein said: WASHINGTON - A London-to-Washington flight was diverted to Maine That's our government at work. Causing the airliner the additional expense when they could have kicked him out in Dallas. That would be a hell of shortcut. Geography much? ;-) Dallas, Dulles, Maine, Washington DC. Idiotic diversion, for no real purpose except to show how ineffective passenger screen really is. And then they punish the Carrier for the govt's screw-up. Your sure it wasn't the State of Washington |
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jeffc wrote:
"Clyde Slick" wrote in message ... "jeffc" wrote in message r.com... "Clyde Slick" wrote in message ... Is there some particular reason jokers like you copy 1,000 lines and add 1 line? Yes, one might want to read what I have responded to. Then again, we might not - especially considering any newsreader will already have it there. No need to read. For Sackman, Richman and McKelvy all muslims are dangerous suspects. Recently Sackman was writing that Abu Ghraib tortured prisonners were terrorists before they have received an equitable judgment. Sackman, Richman and McKelvy are supporting the same conception of justice than Saddam Hussein. |
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"Pooh Bear" wrote in message ... Clyde Slick wrote: "Pooh Bear" wrote in message ... "George M. Middius" wrote: Robert Morein said: WASHINGTON - A London-to-Washington flight was diverted to Maine That's our government at work. Causing the airliner the additional expense when they could have kicked him out in Dallas. That would be a hell of shortcut. Geography much? ;-) Diverting an airliner and requiring an extra landing / take-off is actually very expensive for the airlines. George's notation was in jest, the plane was actually headed for Dulles (Washington, DC area), not Dallas, Texas. Yeah - I thought he was being dim. I can only assume that it was Homeland Paranoia that insisted on the plane setting down at nearest landfall, lest an dangerous musician set foot on US soil. Graham I'm gald we kept him out of our country. We don't want him, we don't need him. He is a Hamas supporter. |
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"jeffc" wrote in message om... "Clyde Slick" wrote in message ... "jeffc" wrote in message . com... "Clyde Slick" wrote in message ... Is there some particular reason jokers like you copy 1,000 lines and add 1 line? Yes, one might want to read what I have responded to. Then again, we might not - especially considering any newsreader will already have it there. I prefer reading chronologically, so, for me, its not easily available. |
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"Robert Morein" wrote in message ... In article , George M. Middius wrote: Robert Morein said: WASHINGTON - A London-to-Washington flight was diverted to Maine That's our government at work. Causing the airliner the additional expense when they could have kicked him out in Dallas. That would be a hell of shortcut. Geography much? ;-) Dallas, Dulles, Maine, Washington DC. Idiotic diversion, for no real purpose except to show how ineffective passenger screen really is. And then they punish the Carrier for the govt's screw-up. Your sure it wasn't the State of Washington The diversion itself was unnecessary, in hindsight; they could have handled it at Dulles, but I don't know what exact information they had at the time. Maybe they only knew there was a passenggger on the do not fly list on the plane, but didn't know it was merely an undesirable rather than a terrorist. Better safe than sorry, AFA a plane heading to Washington, DC. |
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Robert Morein wrote:
That's our government at work. Causing the airliner the additional expense when they could have kicked him out in Dallas. They were trying to save his life. It is doubtful he would have "escaped" Dallas. Kernith :-) |
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"Clyde Slick" wrote in message ... I prefer reading chronologically, so, for me, its not easily available. I prefer not scrolling through 10 pages of stuff I already read to see your puny comment. Since I'm your intended audience, and not you, don't you think it makes more sense to do what I want than what you want? |
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"jeffc" wrote in message . com... No |
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"George M. Middius" wrote in message ... You're wasting your time trying to use logic on Sacky. The real reason he doesn't snip his posts is he's too clutzy to work his mouse and keyboard properly. That, and laziness, as we've seen in his thinking about politics and the culture wars. I snip the old stuff when I feel its appropriate. Of coiurse, there are those who never snip old text, such as Lionella |
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George M. Middius wrote:
Sacky rationalizes. What new. You're wasting your time trying to use logic on Sacky. The real reason he doesn't snip his posts is he's too clutzy to work his mouse and keyboard properly. That, and laziness, as we've seen in his thinking about politics and the culture wars. I snip the old stuff when I feel its appropriate. Of coiurse, there are those who never snip old text, such as Lionella Ô George, please George, tell me that Lionel is really more disgusting than me... "Lionella" is a good introduction to address a supplication to George. Translation : please George tell me that despite all the nasty things I have written recently you are still accepting me among the "Normals". LOL, what a strong personality Sackman, congratulations ! Yes, I agree that others are just as bad, or even worse, than you. Congratulations. ---------- Sent via SPRACI - http://www.spraci.com/ - Parties,Raves,Clubs,Festivals |
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That Yusuf Islam could end up on ANY kind of terrorist list shows how
loony-tunes the Bush administration has gotten. I have it on good authority that the the Bushleager President's "October suprise" will be when he proudly announces they have finally captured Emerson, Lake & Palmer. It can be a little hard to have complete sympathy for Yusuf the MagiCat, if one remembers his wishywashy statements to the press back when Salman Rushdie lived under constant threat of assassination. He also called Saddam Hussein a "muslim brother" during the Gulf War, which got blown out of proportion as "support" for Saddam, when all it was was was stupid. Yusuf's heart is usually in a good place, but his IQ isn't the highest, & he is obedient to his faith first & family second & humanity third. The statements about Rushdie stand as the worst indictment against him, spoken at a time when Yusuf had been long in seclusion & still a little startled to find himself back in the public light, & desparate to be regarded a Fully Authentic Muslem instead of just another convert. So he would not criticize the fatwa, making moronic wishywashy statements like good Muslims live by the laws of the countries they live in so Rushdie shouldn't actually be killed so long as he's not in a country where the fatwa has force of law, but it was true that blasphemers did deserve to be killed. I will not regain respect for Yusuf until he apologizes for being that big a dumbass. But US Homeland security is out of control. Even Ted Kennedy turned up on one of the banned lists & has been detained in airports twice while it was cleared up. And if you ain't a Ted Kennedy, you have no chance of getting it cleared up. Tony Norman of Common Dreams News calls this event "humiliating politics of hysteria," & that's about right. "Though the government has yet to reveal its case about Yusuf Islam's alleged ties to Hamas and other terrorist groups, it has hinted that money the singer donated to Islamic and Palestinian charities was later funneled into various acts of terrorist aggression. But why bother with proof when merely asserting that someone has terrorist ties is proof enough in an era of fear and smear? Proof? We don't need no stinkin' proof!" Yusaf's charity work has been benign. While Nelson Mandela & other great men embrace Yusuf for his charity work, Bush gets him branded a terrorist by what amounts to an ignorant Presidential fatwa. Yusuf was a peace activist even before he was a Yusuf. I suspect what the Bush administration really dislikes is anyone who might encourage some of us to jump on the peace train. -paghat the ratgirl -- "Of what are you afraid, my child?" inquired the kindly teacher. "Oh, sir! The flowers, they are wild," replied the timid creature. -from Peter Newell's "Wild Flowers" Visit the Garden of Paghat the Ratgirl: http://www.paghat.com |
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paghat wrote: That Yusuf Islam could end up on ANY kind of terrorist list shows how loony-tunes the Bush administration has gotten. I have it on good authority that the the Bushleager President's "October suprise" will be when he proudly announces they have finally captured Emerson, Lake & Palmer. It can be a little hard to have complete sympathy for Yusuf the MagiCat, if one remembers his wishywashy statements to the press back when Salman Rushdie lived under constant threat of assassination. Well, if his comments were "wishywashy" at one time, thank goodness he subsequently took pains to clarify his view on this for us: "Yusuf Islam's comments in 1989 concerning Salman Rushdie after the publication of Rushdie's novel The Satanic Verses provoked controversy. During this time period an Islamic fatwa (religious ruling) was issued, holding that it was an obligation of Muslims to kill Salman Rushdie. Yusuf Islam publicly stated that Rushdie was indeed guilty of blasphemy against Islam, and Rushdie deserved to be killed. This led to a public outcry, and a drop in record sales. In response to this criticism, Yusuf Islam has since clarified that he believes that a death sentence can only be carried out by the authority of a court in an Islamic society, and that he is opposed to anyone taking the law into their own hands by murdering Rushdie." from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat_Stevens It's reassuring to know that he thinks this should only be done by an Islamic court, and that loose cannons shouldn't be taking the law into their own hands . . . He also called Saddam Hussein a "muslim brother" during the Gulf War, which got blown out of proportion as "support" for Saddam, when all it was was was stupid. Yusuf's heart is usually in a good place, but his IQ isn't the highest, & he is obedient to his faith first & family second & humanity third. The statements about Rushdie stand as the worst indictment against him, spoken at a time when Yusuf had been long in seclusion & still a little startled to find himself back in the public light, & desparate to be regarded a Fully Authentic Muslem instead of just another convert. So he would not criticize the fatwa, making moronic wishywashy statements like good Muslims live by the laws of the countries they live in so Rushdie shouldn't actually be killed so long as he's not in a country where the fatwa has force of law, but it was true that blasphemers did deserve to be killed. I will not regain respect for Yusuf until he apologizes for being that big a dumbass. [snip] |
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paghat wrote:
That Yusuf Islam could end up on ANY kind of terrorist list shows how loony-tunes the Bush administration has gotten. Don't worry Sir it's a common tactic here to accuse a guy to be a Hamas supporter as soon has he suggest that some fascists are also living in Israel. It seems that Bruce J. Richman the RAO psychologist is the final judge of the respectability of your thoughts... Good luck ! |
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"George M. Middius" wrote in message ... Sacky rationalizes. What new. You're wasting your time trying to use logic on Sacky. The real reason he doesn't snip his posts is he's too clutzy to work his mouse and keyboard properly. That, and laziness, as we've seen in his thinking about politics and the culture wars. I snip the old stuff when I feel its appropriate. Of coiurse, there are those who never snip old text, such as Lionella Yes, I agree that others are just as bad, or even worse, than you. Congratulations. Go bother them. |
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Lionel_Chapuis wrote in message ... George M. Middius wrote: I snip the old stuff when I feel its appropriate. Of coiurse, there are those who never snip old text, such as Lionella Ô George, please George, tell me that Lionel is really more disgusting than me... "Lionella" is a good introduction to address a supplication to George. Translation : please George tell me that despite all the nasty things I have written recently you are still accepting me among the "Normals". LOL, what a strong personality Sackman, congratulations ! just pointing out some base hypocricy. |
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Clyde Slick wrote:
"Pooh Bear" wrote in message ... I can only assume that it was Homeland Paranoia that insisted on the plane setting down at nearest landfall, lest an dangerous musician set foot on US soil. Graham I'm gald we kept him out of our country. We don't want him, we don't need him. He is a Hamas supporter. You have an independent reliable cite ? He supports welfare organisations for kids in Palestine and has condemned Islamic terrorism. He isn't a risk to the USA - and the USA would appear more credible for stating that it didn't *want* him in the country ( so as to be seen for the bigots they are that run the place ) rather than making unfounded assertions about him being dangerous. The UK government has made a formal complaint about this btw, although the US only seems interested in the UK when we toady up and support your illegal wars. Graham |
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"George M. Middius" wrote in message news Sacky and his favorite partner keep up their dance of futility. I snip the old stuff when I feel its appropriate. Of coiurse, there are those who never snip old text, such as Lionella LOL, what a strong personality Sackman, congratulations ! just pointing out some base hypocricy. If that's directed at me, you are apparently ignorant of the fact that I have offered the same criticism to other lazy slobs who garbage up posts and/or don't trim the excess. But don't let me come between you and Slut. You may tell her for me that her schizophrenia is just as repulsive as her innate stupidity. I'll tell her the next time we date. |
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"George M. Middius" wrote in message ... Like Krooger, you don't recognize others' points of view, and you don't accept that maybe you should change your behavior. I have always been aware of this netiquette and I do make a conscious effort to try and snip extraneous previous verbage. But I don't remember to do it all the time. |
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"Clyde Slick" wrote in message ... "jeffc" wrote in message . com... No Very funny. You're a moron and a complete tool, |
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This is the thanks I get for complying with your request?
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"Clyde Slick" wrote in message ... This is the thanks I get for complying with your request? You're a moron. |
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"Clyde Slick" wrote in message ... This is the thanks I get for complying with your request? And a complete tool. And you're probably really fat too. |
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For following your suggestion to the tee.
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Do you read tea leaves as well?
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"Lionel" wrote in message ... But for the RAO sionist extremists (zealots) Richman and Sackman, it is totaly forbidden to criticize Sharon and Israeli right-end politic. You can criticize Sharon all you want. Just don't kill anyone while your at it. |
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"Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message ... As usual, antisemite and Hamas sympathizer Lionel makes idiotic and erroneous assumptions about what others are or think. He has provided no factual evidence that *anybody* (other than himself) is a "zealot" (whatever the hell that means). As far as Israeli politics are concerned, I generally favor the approach of the Labor Party when it comes to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. However, it has been well documented that Hamas and other terrorist groups are NOT interested in negotiations. Also, it is a matter of public record that Arafat rejected a peace agreement over 4 years ago mediated by Bill Cliniton that would have given the Palestinians about 95% of the land they wanted. Instead, they chose to try and get through suicide bombings even more. It's generally now agreed that Arafat, Hamas, etc. don't really want a 2 state solution; their goal, as has always been the case, is to drive Israelis into the sea and take over the whole country. Agreed, though I would also support a less reactionary, more intelligent Likud governement. |
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"paghat" wrote in message news That Yusuf Islam could end up on ANY kind of terrorist list shows how loony-tunes the Bush administration has gotten. What makes you so sure he hasn't been on a list since his statements about Rushdie? |
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"Michael McKelvy" wrote: "paghat" wrote in message news That Yusuf Islam could end up on ANY kind of terrorist list shows how loony-tunes the Bush administration has gotten. What makes you so sure he hasn't been on a list since his statements about Rushdie? Yusuf was in Washington D.C. this past May, establishing a US office for his childrens charity Small Kindnesses, promoting the DVD release of the 1976 MagiCat Earthtour (profits targetted for orphan schools), with a series of personal appearances & autographings, & radio interviews. At that time there was no hint of the Home Office concerns. So the Home Office made their wacky decision sometime between May & September, which makes him a more recent Home Office target than Ted Kennedy, who was twice detained in airports because he's on the Home Office threat list too. The only other country to ban Yusuf Islam is Israel. In 2000, the Israeli government asserted that Yusuf was a threat to peace talks. This was the first time that his alleged link to Interpal's alleged link to Hamas was tossed into the air to see if it would fly (it wouldn't). Yusuf has never made even slightly inflammatory statements against Israel, but has made many statements about yearned-for peace. He admits that in the past he may have been more zealous & too partisan, but that every convert to Islam goes through these phases. Though Homeland Security claims Yusuf Israel has been on numerous watchlists, Scotland Yard stated this is not true, & so far as Scotland Yard is concerned, there is still "no reason" to flag him as any kind of security risk. The airline itself said that Yusuf was NOT on any watchlist & that the new list was sent to them while Yusuf was in mid-Atlantic. The British Foreign Office informed Reuters that the US actions "should not have been taken." Yusuf has the support of Prime Minister Tony Blair & Prince Charles. The only reason an apology is not going to be issued to Yusuf is because the White House won't apologize for any of its many agregious errors ever. The Home Office's only excuse has been that Yusuf has supported Hamas financially, though he certainly never has done so, & his charities are too closely monitored for this to be possible. So speculation is that the Bush Administration is concerned that Yusuf has friends who run the British charity Interpal, whose chairman, Ibrahim Hewitt, was formerly Yusuf Islam's personal secretary. Since August of last year, the US has listed Interpal as a "terrorist organization," on what basis no one has ever figured out, perhaps on Israel's say-so. The UK & UN regards Interpal as a completely legal & above-board charity which has the strongest possible safeguards in place so that monies do not get syphoned or stolen by Hamas. Even so, at the White House & Home Office's insistance, the British government froze Interpal's assets last year for several weeks while undertaking an investigation which cleared Interpal of the crazed, baseless, paranoid Homeland Office allegations. But once on the Homeland Office ****list, always on the Homeland Office ****list, so you or I could make a PayPal donation of $10 right this minute at Interpal.org & end up on the Homeland Security ****list. This year, over 100 British citizens have filed complaints about their baseless presence on Homeland Security watchlists & resultant airport detentions, mistreatment by immigrations officials, or expulsion from the US without explanation. Professor Paul Wilkinson of the University of St. Andrews Centre for the Study of Terrorism & Political Violence, stated (the day before yesterday) that the United States has lost "all sense of proportion" in listing everyone who may have even an indirect link to an indirect link to organizations not actually known to have anything whatsoever to do with terrorists. The Homeland Office is a loose canon. The White House is a loose canon. America is a laughing stock, but for human rights a very dangerous laughing stock. My own suspicion is that peace activists have always been hated by warmongers. Alleging terrorism is just the New McCarthyism, the quickest method for murderers to harrass or silence anyone who dares to oppose murder. Having had an unobservant Jewish father & having studied kabbalah for many years, my own partisan feelings do end up leaning heavily toward Israel. I fight within myself for a balance that does not fail to see what justice is required for Palestinians, & if I were in Israel today I would have trouble working with peace activists doing outreach to Palestinians, but that would be the ideal to achieve. I sort of feel this is Yusuf's struggle from the opposite direction. Of course my interest in him is because I loved his music before he was a Muslim, & it would be merely prejudiced if I no longer liked him because he's Muslim. I dislike one thing that he has done & never adequately apologized for doing, but he seems nevertheless to be a man striving to do only good. Too bad so few of us make such a struggle. I sure don't. My own struggle is to at least be entertaining whenever I can't resist being a scoundral. -paghat the ratgirl -- "Of what are you afraid, my child?" inquired the kindly teacher. "Oh, sir! The flowers, they are wild," replied the timid creature. -from Peter Newell's "Wild Flowers" Visit the Garden of Paghat the Ratgirl: http://www.paghat.com |
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"Clyde Slick" wrote in message ... For following your suggestion to the tee. No, you're a ****ing moron for not knowing what the **** I'm talking about. To wit, "I prefer not scrolling through 10 pages of stuff I already read to see your puny comment." Now did I write 10 pages of stuff? You're a complete tool. Probably the kind of person everyone hates at a cocktail party, and the guy everyone hopes they don't have to work with at work. |
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"jeffc" wrote in message . com... Don't let it get to ya. |