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Is there a free PT LE plug-in, for mastering, that's available for
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Il 03/04/2011 8.24, adam79 ha scritto:
Is there a free PT LE plug-in, for mastering, that's available for download? I'm using a Mac. Thanks, -Adam what's a plugin for mastering? Digital Mastering is usullay done with a couple of it. |
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Il 03/04/2011 8.24, adam79 ha scritto:
Is there a free PT LE plug-in, for mastering, that's available for download? I'm using a Mac. Thanks, -Adam what's a plugin for mastering? Digital Mastering is usually done with a couple of it. I'm not a fan of those "magic boxes" with all in one like izotope... |
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adam79 wrote:
Is there a free PT LE plug-in, for mastering, that's available for download? I'm using a Mac. Thanks, -Adam What is the one cooking ingredient that makes every recipe perfect? Thinking that a single plugin is what mastering is about is taking the wrong road. Why not read pro forum mastering discussions to get a clue? Very many good mastering engineers use an analog signal chain for mastering. The most important tools for mastering as a properly treated listening environment, an excellent monitoring system, and experienced ears. In the digital realm every DAW app in the world offers the very tools that one could use to learn about mastering. The first thing one must do in order to apply those is get a clue about the process. -- shut up and play your guitar * http://hankalrich.com/ http://armadillomusicproductions.com/who'slistening.html http://www.sonicbids.com/HankandShai...withDougHarman |
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hank alrich wrote:
adam79 wrote: Is there a free PT LE plug-in, for mastering, that's available for download? I'm using a Mac. Thanks, -Adam What is the one cooking ingredient that makes every recipe perfect? Thinking that a single plugin is what mastering is about is taking the wrong road. Why not read pro forum mastering discussions to get a clue? Very many good mastering engineers use an analog signal chain for mastering. The most important tools for mastering as a properly treated listening environment, an excellent monitoring system, and experienced ears. In the digital realm every DAW app in the world offers the very tools that one could use to learn about mastering. The first thing one must do in order to apply those is get a clue about the process. And, once you've done that, all a "mastering plug in" does, is make it a bit quicker, and a bit worse. Most of them only apply a bit of compression and spot of "brightening", as`far as I can tell. -- Tciao for Now! John. |
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On Apr 3, 8:51*am, (hank alrich) wrote:
adam79 wrote: Is there a free PT LE plug-in, for mastering, that's available for download? I'm using a Mac. Thanks, -Adam What is the one cooking ingredient that makes every recipe perfect? Thinking that a single plugin is what mastering is about is taking the wrong road. Why not read pro forum mastering discussions to get a clue? Very many good mastering engineers use an analog signal chain for mastering. The most important tools for mastering as a properly treated listening environment, an excellent monitoring system, and experienced ears. In the digital realm every DAW app in the world offers the very tools that one could use to learn about mastering. The first thing one must do in order to apply those is get a clue about the process. Hey Hank! Thought I'd poke my nose in here and see what you people are up to. To Adam, what Hank is describing is exactly right about it all. You should pay particular attention what he cites as the most important tools for mastering. Since a fair amount of the people who record at my studio are neophytes, many of them seem consider making something as loud as a pop or rock commercial release to be "mastering". Very sad, I know. So my guess is you think that a gain optimization plugin (Waves L3 or whatever) is a "mastering plugin". Again, very sad, I know. If this is what you are looking for, well, first of all, read Hank's post again. If you simply want something louder, well, I don't know what will do this for free, but I know something that will do it for cheap...and do it well. That'd be the Massey L2007 limiter. I would strongly recommend that, as with any gain optimization, you don't get obsessed with making things as loud as possible, but that you consider the importance of musicality and dynamics and ebbing and flowing. Ken / Blueberry Buddha Recording Studios www.blueberrybuddhda.com |
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Il 03/04/2011 18.35, Ustad Khan Ali ha scritto:
On Apr 3, 8:51 am, (hank alrich) wrote: wrote: Is there a free PT LE plug-in, for mastering, that's available for download? I'm using a Mac. Thanks, -Adam What is the one cooking ingredient that makes every recipe perfect? Thinking that a single plugin is what mastering is about is taking the wrong road. Why not read pro forum mastering discussions to get a clue? Very many good mastering engineers use an analog signal chain for mastering. The most important tools for mastering as a properly treated listening environment, an excellent monitoring system, and experienced ears. In the digital realm every DAW app in the world offers the very tools that one could use to learn about mastering. The first thing one must do in order to apply those is get a clue about the process. Hey Hank! Thought I'd poke my nose in here and see what you people are up to. To Adam, what Hank is describing is exactly right about it all. You should pay particular attention what he cites as the most important tools for mastering. Since a fair amount of the people who record at my studio are neophytes, many of them seem consider making something as loud as a pop or rock commercial release to be "mastering". Very sad, I know. So my guess is you think that a gain optimization plugin (Waves L3 or whatever) is a "mastering plugin". Again, very sad, I know. If this is what you are looking for, well, first of all, read Hank's post again. If you simply want something louder, well, I don't know what will do this for free, but I know something that will do it for cheap...and do it well. That'd be the Massey L2007 limiter. I would strongly recommend that, as with any gain optimization, you don't get obsessed with making things as loud as possible, but that you consider the importance of musicality and dynamics and ebbing and flowing. Ken / Blueberry Buddha Recording Studios www.blueberrybuddhda.com right, the OP asked (once again) how to find the magic box doing most of the job. This is never working on heart! Not only in mastering. What he really need is: - the room, - the proper ear training, - a proper set of monitors, well related to the room, - a very good idea of what mastering is for; - the expertise to figure out which kind of treatments are needed in that particular song, - gears. All the first 5 points will help him to self find the answer to the question "gear". Finding the right "gear" is part of the expertise process obtained after many work hours. So i suggest to start to play around with basic tools with the goal to grow in the ability to recognize what is good and what is bad for the job. PLease Adam remember: A premaster job is the result of the work and the knowledge of the mastering engineer, not the benfits of magic boxes, and can be good or bad just like all other human works. A wrong work will sound bad or problematic even if the very top class gears are used, while good works need almost no (of a very little) gears to be done. alex |
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Il 03/04/2011 17.51, hank alrich ha scritto:
wrote: Is there a free PT LE plug-in, for mastering, that's available for download? I'm using a Mac. Thanks, -Adam What is the one cooking ingredient that makes every recipe perfect? Thinking that a single plugin is what mastering is about is taking the wrong road. Why not read pro forum mastering discussions to get a clue? Very many good mastering engineers use an analog signal chain for mastering. The most important tools for mastering as a properly treated listening environment, an excellent monitoring system, and experienced ears. In the digital realm every DAW app in the world offers the very tools that one could use to learn about mastering. The first thing one must do in order to apply those is get a clue about the process. right, the OP asked (once again) how to find the magic box doing most of the job. This is never working on earth! Not only in mastering. What he really need is: - the room, - the proper ear training, - a proper set of monitors, well related to the room, - a very good idea of what mastering is for; - the expertise to figure out which kind of treatments are needed in that particular song, - gears. All the first 5 points will help him to self find the answer to the question "gear". Finding the right "gear" is part of the expertise process obtained after many work hours. So i suggest to start to play around with basic tools with the goal to grow in the ability to recognize what is good and what is bad for the job. PLease Adam remember: A premaster job is the result of the work and the knowledge of the mastering engineer, not the benfits of magic boxes, and can be good or bad just like all other human works. A wrong work will sound bad or problematic even if the very top class gears are used, while good works need almost no (of a very little) gears to be done. alex |
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adam79 wrote:
Is there a free PT LE plug-in, for mastering, that's available for download? I'm using a Mac. Yes. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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On Apr 3, 8:51=A0am, (hank alrich) wrote:
adam79 wrote: Is there a free PT LE plug-in, for mastering, that's available for download? I'm using a Mac. Thanks, -Adam What is the one cooking ingredient that makes every recipe perfect? It's ganja. --scott "These cookies sure taste awful... but who cares?" -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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Scott Dorsey wrote:
On Apr 3, 8:51=A0am, (hank alrich) wrote: adam79 wrote: Is there a free PT LE plug-in, for mastering, that's available for download? I'm using a Mac. Thanks, -Adam What is the one cooking ingredient that makes every recipe perfect? It's ganja. --scott "These cookies sure taste awful... but who cares?" "Those mixes came out sounding like crap. Can't remember why, though..." "Is it loud enough yet??" "No such thing!!!" "I'd shoot myself in the foot but they're already blown away" -- shut up and play your guitar * http://hankalrich.com/ http://armadillomusicproductions.com/who'slistening.html http://www.sonicbids.com/HankandShai...withDougHarman |
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On Apr 3, 3:24*pm, (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
On Apr 3, 8:51=A0am, (hank alrich) wrote: adam79 wrote: Is there a free PT LE plug-in, for mastering, that's available for download? I'm using a Mac. Thanks, -Adam What is the one cooking ingredient that makes every recipe perfect? It's ganja. --scott "These cookies sure taste awful... but who cares?" -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." I thought it was msg.... |
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Nate Najar wrote:
On Apr 3, 3:24 pm, (Scott Dorsey) wrote: On Apr 3, 8:51=A0am, (hank alrich) wrote: adam79 wrote: Is there a free PT LE plug-in, for mastering, that's available for download? I'm using a Mac. Thanks, -Adam What is the one cooking ingredient that makes every recipe perfect? It's ganja. --scott "These cookies sure taste awful... but who cares?" -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." I thought it was msg.... "The operation was successful, but the patient died." - The recipe was perfect, but the cookies tasted awful...... |
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On Apr 3, 3:29*pm, Nate Najar wrote:
On Apr 3, 3:24*pm, (Scott Dorsey) wrote: On Apr 3, 8:51=A0am, (hank alrich) wrote: adam79 wrote: Is there a free PT LE plug-in, for mastering, that's available for download? I'm using a Mac. Thanks, -Adam What is the one cooking ingredient that makes every recipe perfect? It's ganja. --scott "These cookies sure taste awful... but who cares?" -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." I thought it was msg.... I thought it was garlic. Ken / Eleven Shadows www.blueberrybuddha.com |
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adam79 wrote: Is there a free PT LE plug-in, for mastering, that's available for download? I'm using a Mac. Thanks, -Adam What is the one cooking ingredient that makes every recipe perfect? It's ganja. --scott "These cookies sure taste awful... but who cares?" might work for attended sessions, cookies to the client smooths them right out |
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Ustad Khan Ali wrote:
On Apr 3, 3:29 pm, Nate Najar wrote: On Apr 3, 3:24 pm, (Scott Dorsey) wrote: On Apr 3, 8:51=A0am, (hank alrich) wrote: adam79 wrote: Is there a free PT LE plug-in, for mastering, that's available for download? I'm using a Mac. Thanks, -Adam What is the one cooking ingredient that makes every recipe perfect? It's ganja. --scott "These cookies sure taste awful... but who cares?" -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." I thought it was msg.... I thought it was garlic. Ken / Eleven Shadows www.blueberrybuddha.com Long time no see, Ken! Howdy. -- shut up and play your guitar * http://hankalrich.com/ http://armadillomusicproductions.com/who'slistening.html http://www.sonicbids.com/HankandShai...withDougHarman |
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On 4/3/11 6:23 AM, alex wrote:
Il 03/04/2011 8.24, adam79 ha scritto: Is there a free PT LE plug-in, for mastering, that's available for download? I'm using a Mac. Thanks, -Adam what's a plugin for mastering? Digital Mastering is usually done with a couple of it. I'm not a fan of those "magic boxes" with all in one like izotope... I should have been more specific in my original post.. I've been drumming in a band for a month now; we wanted to make a crude recording to hear ourselves. I quickly setup a few mics, hit record and we went through our set list. I know there is much more to mastering than just a Pro Tools plug-in. However, after taking 20 minutes to adjust the levels, EQ and add some effects, I wrote the original post. -Adam |
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Il 06/04/2011 5.44, adam79 ha scritto:
On 4/3/11 6:23 AM, alex wrote: Il 03/04/2011 8.24, adam79 ha scritto: Is there a free PT LE plug-in, for mastering, that's available for download? I'm using a Mac. Thanks, -Adam what's a plugin for mastering? Digital Mastering is usually done with a couple of it. I'm not a fan of those "magic boxes" with all in one like izotope... I should have been more specific in my original post.. I've been drumming in a band for a month now; we wanted to make a crude recording to hear ourselves. I quickly setup a few mics, hit record and we went through our set list. I know there is much more to mastering than just a Pro Tools plug-in. However, after taking 20 minutes to adjust the levels, EQ and add some effects, I wrote the original post. -Adam much more in recording and mixing. You have all the tools you need directly bundled with the host application. In order to make a drum sounding "good" enough to "hear yourself", you need an equalizer on each recorded track (or less), and a "mixer"... This setup can do miracles! |
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On 4/5/2011 11:44 PM, adam79 wrote:
I should have been more specific in my original post.. I've been drumming in a band for a month now; we wanted to make a crude recording to hear ourselves. I quickly setup a few mics, hit record and we went through our set list. I know there is much more to mastering than just a Pro Tools plug-in. However, after taking 20 minutes to adjust the levels, EQ and add some effects, I wrote the original post. OK, so you've been drummer in this band for a month. How long have you been a recording engineer? You probably did everything you could, based on your quick setup and recording. There is no pony anywhere in that pile of horse****. -- "Today's production equipment is IT based and cannot be operated without a passing knowledge of computing, although it seems that it can be operated without a passing knowledge of audio." - John Watkinson http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com - useful and interesting audio stuff |
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On Apr 6, 8:23*am, Mike Rivers wrote:
.. There is no pony anywhere in that pile of horse****. Mike, that is brilliant. I'll have to remember that one! N |
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"Nate Najar" wrote in message
On Apr 6, 8:23 am, Mike Rivers wrote: . There is no pony anywhere in that pile of horse****. Mike, that is brilliant. I'll have to remember that one! Mike said a, ummm mouthfull! ;-) |
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Nate Najar wrote:
On Apr 6, 8:23 am, Mike Rivers wrote: . There is no pony anywhere in that pile of horse****. Mike, that is brilliant. I'll have to remember that one! N Its too crude. Try, "...in that pack of donkeys." |
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adam79 wrote:
I should have been more specific in my original post.. I've been drumming in a band for a month now; we wanted to make a crude recording to hear ourselves. I quickly setup a few mics, hit record and we went through our set list. You want advice? - then decribe the actual setup, simple stuff like size of room, sound sources and mic setup. In terms of recording relevant stuff your question is empty as posted. I know there is much more to mastering than just a Pro Tools plug-in. However, after taking 20 minutes to adjust the levels, EQ and add some effects, I wrote the original post. Tools available generally include channel eq, dynamics and addition of reverb/effects. The primary eq tool for getting the sound is however to position the mic properly for type and sound source. It only takes 10000 hours to become "an expert" so you only have 9994 to go, you DO need to allow yourself a bit of a learning curve and/or be willing to outsource at least some of the process if you need a reasonable result fast. -Adam Kind regards Peter Larsen |
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On 4/14/11 2:25 PM, Peter Larsen wrote:
adam79 wrote: I know there is much more to mastering than just a Pro Tools plug-in. However, after taking 20 minutes to adjust the levels, EQ and add some effects, I wrote the original post. Tools available generally include channel eq, dynamics and addition of reverb/effects. The primary eq tool for getting the sound is however to position the mic properly for type and sound source. It only takes 10000 hours to become "an expert" so you only have 9994 to go, you DO need to allow yourself a bit of a learning curve and/or be willing to outsource at least some of the process if you need a reasonable result fast. I agree with putting in 10000 hours to become a true expert, at anything. However, I do have much more than 6 hours of experience; I've been recording since '98-'99. Besides taking a summer course on Audio Production, I don't have much of any experience with a true professional setup and high-end gear. Alex understood what I was looking for with this quick project, recommending the Isotope product. The RX Demo gave me access to the couple things I wanted to finish up. That whole recording (besides vocals) was done with digital DI products (i.e. V-Drums, POD XT...) The recording was a success! We were able to hear what we sounded like, without wasting the little practice time we had that night on tracking and mixing. It was a spur of the moment idea. -Adam |
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