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Really Nice Reverb? (at a reasonable price)
Hello everyone -
Are there any reasonably-priced, halfway decent "outboard" (i.e., hardware instead of software plugin) reverb and/or effects processors? The combination of "reasonably-priced" and "halfway decent" are the operative words here. This is strictly for home use, recreational, no earning potential that would justify spending big $$$ on a high-end unit. I use Cubase LE on the Mac (10.3.9), and am dissatisfied with the software plugins that I have (Reverb A, Reverb B, RoomMachine, and Ambience). Then again, I may not know how to set them up properly, either. Something that could be connected within the digital domain would be a plus (USB, Firewire, or SPDIF), but perhaps not mandatory. Question: when using external processors with digital audio software, is all-digital the best way to go, or perhaps _not_? On the recommendations of others here, I bought an FMR RNP and have found it to be a very nice unit (that meets both of my criteria above). Is there any kind of "equivalent" among external reverb units? If not, perhaps it's time for the folks at FMR to come up with a "RNR" (Really Nice Reverb)! Thanks, - John |
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John Albert wrote On 03/22/06 12:40,:
Hello everyone - Are there any reasonably-priced, halfway decent "outboard" (i.e., hardware instead of software plugin) reverb and/or effects processors? The combination of "reasonably-priced" and "halfway decent" are the operative words here. This is strictly for home use, recreational, no earning potential that would justify spending big $$$ on a high-end unit. I use Cubase LE on the Mac (10.3.9), and am dissatisfied with the software plugins that I have (Reverb A, Reverb B, RoomMachine, and Ambience). Then again, I may not know how to set them up properly, either. Something that could be connected within the digital domain would be a plus (USB, Firewire, or SPDIF), but perhaps not mandatory. Question: when using external processors with digital audio software, is all-digital the best way to go, or perhaps _not_? On the recommendations of others here, I bought an FMR RNP and have found it to be a very nice unit (that meets both of my criteria above). Is there any kind of "equivalent" among external reverb units? If not, perhaps it's time for the folks at FMR to come up with a "RNR" (Really Nice Reverb)! Thanks, - John Well, reasonably priced is subjective, right? So it depends upon your definition of reasonable. With that in mind... Cheap: An old Alesis Microverb, Microverb II and Microverb 3 will work, selectively. Also cheap: Any used Lexicon MPX100, which I find quite acceptable; Alesis Microverb IV, which is pretty good, too. Roland units aren't bad. Digitech makes some interesting processors, like their TSR 24, used. A bit less than cheap: Lexicon MPX200, MPX500 are quite nice, the 500 employing the Lexichip (true stereo). And Yamaha Rev 500 is also decent. Roland and Digitech come in here somewhere, too. And now reasonable: Lexicon MPX1, a nice little unit. Yamaha, Sony also make some stuff at this level, too. And there are scores of actually good used makes and models to choose from. Old Eventide units, for example. And if you have the space: Platesonics.com can set you up, too. I'm sure I've missed a lot of other products. But the point is to make suggestions to get you thinking. --Fletch |
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John Albert wrote:
Are there any reasonably-priced, halfway decent "outboard" (i.e., hardware instead of software plugin) reverb and/or effects processors? You can get a Lexicon MPX1 cheap on eBay these days (which is kind of a shame somehow). That lets you get into a device that was designed to be more than a home toy for about the price of a good MI unit. Great reverb with s/pdif digital in and out. -- "It CAN'T be too loud... some of the red lights aren't even on yet!" - Lorin David Schultz in the control room making even bad news sound good (Remove spamblock to reply) |
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On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 21:17:10 GMT, "Lorin David Schultz"
wrote: John Albert wrote: Are there any reasonably-priced, halfway decent "outboard" (i.e., hardware instead of software plugin) reverb and/or effects processors? You can get a Lexicon MPX1 cheap on eBay these days (which is kind of a shame somehow). That lets you get into a device that was designed to be more than a home toy for about the price of a good MI unit. Great reverb with s/pdif digital in and out. Lorin, There was a lot of drum roll a few months/year ago over the Kurzweil "Rumor" however I don't remember the "big bang"? Was it all that or is it now another of many reverbs at it's justified price point? Thanks. -zero |
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As Fletch said it all depends on what you call reasonable... TC Electronics
makes some good units too. M-300 will set you back around $200... same as a lexicon MX 200..... Zoom also makes decent reverbs but checking prices at swee****er reveald that an RFX2200 is as expensive as the lexicon and TC listed above and the RFX 1100 has the same price as an Alesis microverb ($150) and the alesis is better imo. ole |
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I have TC plugins that are fine, but not too long ago we went back to the TC electronics M1 and it is very noticably improved. The m300 is a great unit (we sell tons of them) but if you can squeeze it the M1 is great bang for the buck. Just my opinion, Doc Weaver |
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John Albert wrote:
The combination of "reasonably-priced" and "halfway decent" are the operative words here. This is strictly for home use, recreational, no earning potential that would justify spending big $$$ on a high-end unit. What is $$$? How about a used Sony DPS-V55? --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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"John Albert" wrote in message ... Hello everyone - Are there any reasonably-priced, halfway decent "outboard" (i.e., hardware instead of software plugin) reverb and/or effects processors? New or used? Even if it has to be new, you'll find out the choice is big enough. The starter models from Lexicon, TC and others are all reasonably priced and more than half-decent. Second-hand, out-of-production, mid-level effect units, however, can be found on Ebay for silly money. Roland SRV-3030 for 70-80 USD, Yamaha REV-500 for 80-100 Euro, Zoom 9200 for 110-140 USD, Ensoniq DP/2 for 90-125 USD, Alesis Quadraverb 2 for 100-140 USD etc. Predrag |
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In my original post, I wrote:
The combination of "reasonably-priced" and "halfway decent" are the operative words here. This is strictly for home use, recreational, no earning potential that would justify spending big $$$ on a high-end unit. And Scott Dorsey replied: What is $$$? Hmmm... how about "under $300"? - John |
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John Albert wrote:
In my original post, I wrote: The combination of "reasonably-priced" and "halfway decent" are the operative words here. This is strictly for home use, recreational, no earning potential that would justify spending big $$$ on a high-end unit. And Scott Dorsey replied: What is $$$? Hmmm... how about "under $300"? Used DPS-V55, absolutely. Maybe a 77 if you're lucky and get a good deal. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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"John Albert" wrote in message ... Hello everyone - Are there any reasonably-priced, halfway decent "outboard" (i.e., hardware instead of software plugin) reverb and/or effects processors? The combination of "reasonably-priced" and "halfway decent" are the operative words here. This is strictly for home use, recreational, no earning potential that would justify spending big $$$ on a high-end unit. I use Cubase LE on the Mac (10.3.9), and am dissatisfied with the software plugins that I have (Reverb A, Reverb B, RoomMachine, and Ambience). Then again, I may not know how to set them up properly, either. Something that could be connected within the digital domain would be a plus (USB, Firewire, or SPDIF), but perhaps not mandatory. Question: when using external processors with digital audio software, is all-digital the best way to go, or perhaps _not_? On the recommendations of others here, I bought an FMR RNP and have found it to be a very nice unit (that meets both of my criteria above). Is there any kind of "equivalent" among external reverb units? If not, perhaps it's time for the folks at FMR to come up with a "RNR" (Really Nice Reverb)! Thanks, - John How about the Lexicon MX200? It runs about $200, has nice Lexicon verbs, and connects up via USB and allows control via its VST plug ins. So, you can treat it like a hardware plug-in from inside your DAW software. It also has SPDIF I/O, so you should be able to keep your signal in the digital domain. The only downside on this unit is it is limited to 48kHz/24 bit. Behringer also makes the REV2496 that seems to have strong digital I/O, though I don't know much about the reverb quality. I must say I like the idea that you can control the MX200 via VST. Pretty cool. Craig |
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John Albert wrote:
Hello everyone - Are there any reasonably-priced, halfway decent "outboard" (i.e., hardware instead of software plugin) reverb and/or effects processors? I second TC Electronic M300. $200 new. I've compared it to the M-One XL and preferred the M300. It has real *knobs* that you can simply turn to get the sound you want, instead of endless layers of nested digital menus with scroll buttons. And if you want to store a patch it's easy. Also re those scrolling menus -- the M-One XL I had (and maybe some others do this too) had a really interesting "feature" -- I think there were something like 300 onboard presets, so you hold the little button down and scrrrolllll and finally get to the end... and then it stops. Won't roll over to Preset 1, you have to go backward. M300 has a unique "live" reverb that can sound very good for something different than all the moody dark halls. It also has TC dynamic delay (derived from the 2290), which the M-One, 2000, 3000, etc. do not have. Tap tempo button or footswitch control, there is also a tempo adjustment fine tuning knob. It has dual engines, but they combine at the output like many do, so you can't really process a signal with separate delays and reverbs. As far as running digital vs analog -- I think it's not a huge issue with this unit. With some outboard FX (like my Eventide 2016 and Klark Teknik DN780) the integral conversion is part of the sound. The digital IO on the M300 is 44.1 or 48 BTW. You can wire it for both digital and analog, and just press a single button on the front panel (again, no menus) to switch between them. Also, if you ever want to use it inline, rather than as send/return, it has simple level control and mix % knobs. Just turn them until it sounds good. Steve |
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I second TC Electronic M300. $200 new.
$150 at Zzounds at the moment. |
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Don't forget about the Yamaha SPX-90 (used)
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"John Albert" wrote in message ... Hello everyone - Are there any reasonably-priced, halfway decent "outboard" (i.e., hardware instead of software plugin) reverb and/or effects processors? Behringer V-Verb. Absolutely amazing unit for the price. I prefer it to the PCM80 I have on here. Phildo |
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zero wrote:
Lorin, There was a lot of drum roll a few months/year ago over the Kurzweil "Rumor" however I don't remember the "big bang"? Was it all that or is it now another of many reverbs at it's justified price point? Thanks. Beats me. I've never heard one. I wouldn't be at all surprised if it was really good though. Fake reverb seems to be one of those things that gets better and better with each new device. It does take processing power though, which is why cheap units still tend to disappoint. -- "It CAN'T be too loud... some of the red lights aren't even on yet!" - Lorin David Schultz in the control room making even bad news sound good (Remove spamblock to reply) |
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Acousticmood wrote:
Don't forget about the Yamaha SPX-90 (used) No no no, he said "reverb." The reverb in the SPX-90 must not be used for anything other than trashy 80's drums. -- "It CAN'T be too loud... some of the red lights aren't even on yet!" - Lorin David Schultz in the control room making even bad news sound good (Remove spamblock to reply) |
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The m300 IS vastly easier to use. This is why we install so many of
them. My only point is the M1 has programing tools that are great for the price. Although if the original post is looking for simple, cheap, and sounds good, I too would suggest the M300. Digital sound with analog controls Doc Weaver |
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"Doc Weaver" wrote in message oups.com... The m300 IS vastly easier to use. This is why we install so many of them. My only point is the M1 has programing tools that are great for the price. Although if the original post is looking for simple, cheap, and sounds good, I too would suggest the M300. Digital sound with analog controls Check out the Behringer. Less money, sounds better. Phildo |
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Lexicon LXP 1 used for $100. Better, denser reverbs than the MPX
series, I have both. Modified, it competes with my 224XL. Jim Williams Audio Upgrades |
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Fletch mentioned my favorite reasonable reverb, the Yamaha REV500 -
32 bit processing (Most of the Lexi MPX stuff is 24 bit) - very smooth tails... nary a hint of that crunchy digital decay. -glenn |
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Lexicon MPX 500 sounds better than any plug-in reverb I've ever used and by
a long shot. To me the acid test is to see how it sounds on a wide variety of percussion... Anyway, it's an excellent value, especially since you should be able to find one cheap on ebay for like two hundred bucks. Lexicon has the best algorithms, at least to my ears. Skyles Austin, Tayexayas "John Albert" wrote in message ... Hello everyone - Are there any reasonably-priced, halfway decent "outboard" (i.e., hardware instead of software plugin) reverb and/or effects processors? The combination of "reasonably-priced" and "halfway decent" are the operative words here. This is strictly for home use, recreational, no earning potential that would justify spending big $$$ on a high-end unit. I use Cubase LE on the Mac (10.3.9), and am dissatisfied with the software plugins that I have (Reverb A, Reverb B, RoomMachine, and Ambience). Then again, I may not know how to set them up properly, either. Something that could be connected within the digital domain would be a plus (USB, Firewire, or SPDIF), but perhaps not mandatory. Question: when using external processors with digital audio software, is all-digital the best way to go, or perhaps _not_? On the recommendations of others here, I bought an FMR RNP and have found it to be a very nice unit (that meets both of my criteria above). Is there any kind of "equivalent" among external reverb units? If not, perhaps it's time for the folks at FMR to come up with a "RNR" (Really Nice Reverb)! Thanks, - John |
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I saw a used '77 for $350.00 the other day. The MU-R201 can also be had for
around $200.00.. As for the Lexi's, I still prefer the LXP 1 (32k sample rate notwithstanding) to just about anything they've done recently that can be bought for $300.00 or less. ... "Scott Dorsey" wrote in message ... John Albert wrote: In my original post, I wrote: The combination of "reasonably-priced" and "halfway decent" are the operative words here. This is strictly for home use, recreational, no earning potential that would justify spending big $$$ on a high-end unit. And Scott Dorsey replied: What is $$$? Hmmm... how about "under $300"? Used DPS-V55, absolutely. Maybe a 77 if you're lucky and get a good deal. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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Steve Scott wrote:
I second TC Electronic M300. $200 new. There's also a new M350 which can be controlled by a VST or AU plugin. http://www.tcelectronic.com/M350 |
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Thanks Kurt. I guess that is responding the Lexicon MX200.
I don't use a computer, but the VST controlled hardware seems to be a coming thing. Steve |
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