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MB Quart DKE116
I just bought a set of DKE116 to replace my QM160's.
My 160 have a nice set of x-overs that they came with but the DKE116's didn't. I can't find anythign on whether I have to buy them seperate or what. The DKe's are a new "Discus" technology so I don't know. If anyone has any info could you please post? Thanks, p~nut |
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p-nut wrote:
I just bought a set of DKE116 to replace my QM160's. My 160 have a nice set of x-overs that they came with but the DKE116's didn't. I can't find anythign on whether I have to buy them seperate or what. The DKe's are a new "Discus" technology so I don't know. If anyone has any info could you please post? Thanks, p~nut Just don't expect the new ones to sound as good as the old school MB Quart because the new ones.... well... they suck compared to the old ones! |
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ChrisB blurted out in rec.audio.car:
p-nut wrote: I just bought a set of DKE116 to replace my QM160's. My 160 have a nice set of x-overs that they came with but the DKE116's didn't. I can't find anythign on whether I have to buy them seperate or what. The DKe's are a new "Discus" technology so I don't know. If anyone has any info could you please post? Thanks, p~nut Just don't expect the new ones to sound as good as the old school MB Quart because the new ones.... well... they suck compared to the old ones! Really? That sucks. What happened to them? My QM160s have both tweeters blown and one of the speakers has a small tear. They still sound pretty good, just don't have any high end coming from them. |
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p-nut wrote:
ChrisB blurted out in rec.audio.car: p-nut wrote: I just bought a set of DKE116 to replace my QM160's. My 160 have a nice set of x-overs that they came with but the DKE116's didn't. I can't find anythign on whether I have to buy them seperate or what. The DKe's are a new "Discus" technology so I don't know. If anyone has any info could you please post? Thanks, p~nut Just don't expect the new ones to sound as good as the old school MB Quart because the new ones.... well... they suck compared to the old ones! Really? That sucks. What happened to them? My QM160s have both tweeters blown and one of the speakers has a small tear. They still sound pretty good, just don't have any high end coming from them. Oh let's see.... could it be that MAXXSONICS purchased the MB Quart name and the speakers that they farm out to China/Korea to produce are no where near the quality of the MB Quart Germany speakers that were some of the best comps that money could buy in the 90s? Don't worry though, they aren't the only brand that now sucks. Orion isn't anywhere near the same product it once was and neither is HiFonics. I like how these companies purchase the once great names just to ride the once great name for the almighty dollar while at the same time providing a crappy product! The icing on the cake was when I saw a DEI Produced Orion HCCA amplifier that was Class freaking D. HCCA used to stand for High Current Class A and now they are badging their overseas crap with the same name as the once great Orion red amplifiers.... Sad! Sorry for ranting, but it ****es me off when I see names of once great products that are not even 1/2 as good as the original! -Chris |
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ChrisB blurted out in rec.audio.car:
p-nut wrote: ChrisB blurted out in rec.audio.car: p-nut wrote: I just bought a set of DKE116 to replace my QM160's. My 160 have a nice set of x-overs that they came with but the DKE116's didn't. I can't find anythign on whether I have to buy them seperate or what. The DKe's are a new "Discus" technology so I don't know. If anyone has any info could you please post? Thanks, p~nut Just don't expect the new ones to sound as good as the old school MB Quart because the new ones.... well... they suck compared to the old ones! Really? That sucks. What happened to them? My QM160s have both tweeters blown and one of the speakers has a small tear. They still sound pretty good, just don't have any high end coming from them. Oh let's see.... could it be that MAXXSONICS purchased the MB Quart name and the speakers that they farm out to China/Korea to produce are no where near the quality of the MB Quart Germany speakers that were some of the best comps that money could buy in the 90s? Don't worry though, they aren't the only brand that now sucks. Orion isn't anywhere near the same product it once was and neither is HiFonics. I like how these companies purchase the once great names just to ride the once great name for the almighty dollar while at the same time providing a crappy product! The icing on the cake was when I saw a DEI Produced Orion HCCA amplifier that was Class freaking D. HCCA used to stand for High Current Class A and now they are badging their overseas crap with the same name as the once great Orion red amplifiers.... Sad! Sorry for ranting, but it ****es me off when I see names of once great products that are not even 1/2 as good as the original! -Chris Yeah, I knew that about Orion ( I still have an original redline 250) but didn't know that about MBQ. Thanks for the info and the rant is appreciated. |
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While it's always entertaining to hear people rant about things they
don't really understand, I felt compelled to correct at least ONE thing Chris blew in this rant: HCCA has nothing to do with Class A. HCCA amps were never Class A. They were all Class AB high current/low impedance stable designs. HCCA actually stands for High Current Competition Amplifier (i.e. "cheater amp"). Read the history of SPL competition and you'll understand why these amps even exist. Might as well throw a bucket of reality on the rest of this rant while I'm at it: The class D models we started shipping a few years ago are in fact High Current Competiton Amplifiers. They deliver high current output into 1 ohm loads, compared to a typical 4 ohm load that class AB amps are generally designed for. When was the last time you saw people competing with a van full of "cheater amps"? Low-impedance class D (and the related variants) is the state of the art, in the 21st century anyway. Those cheatre amp days are long gone. Lanzar Opti's, HCCA's, other 1/4 0hm stable amps serve no useful purpose other than to drain batteries. It's all about getting the most current to the load efficiently, and in a power constrained environment of a vehicle, class D is simply a better solution. Orion would likely have built monstrous class D amps back then if they'd known how to. In fact, Orion Industries was building big amps that used bipolar power supplies. Today we know that this is a horrible design choice; conventional transistors don't like switching that fast and are nowhere near as well-suited for use in a switching power supply as a typical MOSFET. They go bang a lot more often than MOSFET's used in the same application, Anyone need some spare 2N6488/2N6490's? That's why none of the later HCCA or XTR amps were built that way. The fact that the original "bulletproof" red HCCA amps were as reliable as they were is a real testament to the quality of components used, consistency of assembly, and massive over-building in terms of transistor count. These designs required that. But by the end of the HCCA design history under previous management, they were simply not reliable. The G5 series - esp. the big ones - were flamethrowers. Boards caught fire, the return rate was better tnah 50% in some cases. Orion had stopped producing the two largest models by the time we acquired ADST. Also, Orion themselves introduced class D under the previous ownership (ADST days, pre-DEI). The XTR PRO amps are class D, and were in production in 2001 when DEI bought ADST. They were also pretty scary, you can launch the power supply of an XTR PRO 1000 amp in a split second if you hook up power the wrong way. That's why the 2003 amp lineup that was authored in Phoenix had no red amps and made the transition to a better class D design for the sub amps together with new AB models all under shared Orion branding, which also eliminated the XTR PRO and HCCA series names. They knew the brand needed more reliable product in order to survive and were simplifying the lineup in the process, as well as distancing themselves from the horrible reliability of the last generation of HCCA and XTR PRO amps. In retrospect, the new product delivered what it was intended to, but I'm not sure dropping those names was the right choice. We simply continued that direction with the current generation of class D amps, but brought back the HCCA series designation. You can take exception to the use of the HCCA name if you want, but in fact they are the logical extension of the HCCA legacy into this century, and the amps themslves are hugely better than the XTR PRO and the red G5-series HCCA class AB amps they replaced in the lineup. If we had painted them red, would you understand the lineage better? Yeah, the "good old days" rocked! Where's the excitement if you can't count on setting fire to an amp regularly? But, go ahead and live in the past sharing space with ghosts and legends, if it makes you feel good JD P.S. Stay tuned for 2009, the Orion legacy is far from dead! ChrisB wrote: p-nut wrote: ChrisB blurted out in rec.audio.car: p-nut wrote: I just bought a set of DKE116 to replace my QM160's. My 160 have a nice set of x-overs that they came with but the DKE116's didn't. I can't find anythign on whether I have to buy them seperate or what. The DKe's are a new "Discus" technology so I don't know. If anyone has any info could you please post? Thanks, p~nut Just don't expect the new ones to sound as good as the old school MB Quart because the new ones.... well... they suck compared to the old ones! Really? That sucks. What happened to them? My QM160s have both tweeters blown and one of the speakers has a small tear. They still sound pretty good, just don't have any high end coming from them. Oh let's see.... could it be that MAXXSONICS purchased the MB Quart name and the speakers that they farm out to China/Korea to produce are no where near the quality of the MB Quart Germany speakers that were some of the best comps that money could buy in the 90s? Don't worry though, they aren't the only brand that now sucks. Orion isn't anywhere near the same product it once was and neither is HiFonics. I like how these companies purchase the once great names just to ride the once great name for the almighty dollar while at the same time providing a crappy product! The icing on the cake was when I saw a DEI Produced Orion HCCA amplifier that was Class freaking D. HCCA used to stand for High Current Class A and now they are badging their overseas crap with the same name as the once great Orion red amplifiers.... Sad! Sorry for ranting, but it ****es me off when I see names of once great products that are not even 1/2 as good as the original! -Chris ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com ** |
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John Durbin wrote:
While it's always entertaining to hear people rant about things they don't really understand, I felt compelled to correct at least ONE thing Chris blew in this rant: HCCA has nothing to do with Class A. HCCA amps were never Class A. They were all Class AB high current/low impedance stable designs. HCCA actually stands for High Current Competition Amplifier (i.e. "cheater amp"). Read the history of SPL competition and you'll understand why these amps even exist. Well, I stand corrected on the HCCA nomenclature. Oddly, it was one of Orion's Louisiana authorized dealers who told me it stood for High Current Class A, which in itself always confused me because Class A amps by their nature don't output that kind of power close to a theoretical short without switching to Class B somewhere along the line! Might as well throw a bucket of reality on the rest of this rant while I'm at it: You should have stopped here and in order to keep it professional I will stop here! My opinions of overseas build houses, the cheapest possible components, the loss of car audio passion for profit, and amps marketed at maximum rated power are probably things that no one wants to read! JD P.S. Stay tuned for 2009, the Orion legacy is far from dead! I am actually looking forward to something new and different. Who knows, I may end up going back to Orion before all is said and done. Ironic, maybe, but I am game for anything that sounds great. |
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