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Sound card - unwanted noise and inductance
Problem 1. Unwanted sounds:
I've noticed that the output on the 2496 Audiophile produces little sounds whenever the mouse is moved. This is also true anytime the hard drive is accessing. Is there a workaround for this annoyance? Problem 2. Sound card input impedance. The sound card has an input impedance of10K ohms minimum. I believe this would indicate that the sound card is not sensitive to the output impedance of the driving device. Looking at my options I could connect the microphone preamp (300 ohms, RCA) directly to the input of the sound card or connect the microphone preamp to the input of a stereo preamp and then output to the sound card. My choices of stereo preamps have the following out impedances: 150 mV/0.6 K-ohms, 1 V/1.2 K-ohm or 250 ohms (no voltage reference provided but has 2V RMS output into 60 K ohm load). Are there any technical advantages to any of these combinations sited or is it strictly by ear? |
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"Powell" wrote in message
Problem 1. Unwanted sounds: I've noticed that the output on the 2496 Audiophile produces little sounds whenever the mouse is moved. This is also true anytime the hard drive is accessing. Is there a workaround for this annoyance? Not an terribly uncommon problem, but not a problem that is seen in every AP 2496 installion. It could be due to grounding problems in the case or motherboard, it could be due to IRQ sharing issues, or it could be due to PCI bus domination problems. Usual solutions involve making sure the system board is tightened down well, moving the card to other PCI slots, and turning off video card performance features that tie up the CPU bus. Problem 2. Sound card input impedance. The sound card has an input impedance of10K ohms minimum. I believe this would indicate that the sound card is not sensitive to the output impedance of the driving device. Why would this be a problem? Insensitivity to the output impedance of the driving device is generally considered to be a good thing. A 10K input impedance is average-to-high for a piece of audio production equipment. Looking at my options I could connect the microphone preamp (300 ohms, RCA) directly to the input of the sound card or connect the microphone preamp to the input of a stereo preamp and then output to the sound card. My choices of stereo preamps have the following out impedances: 150 mV/0.6 K-ohms, 1 V/1.2 K-ohm or 250 ohms (no voltage reference provided but has 2V RMS output into 60 K ohm load). Are there any technical advantages to any of these combinations sited or is it strictly by ear? You want to apply the largest voltage to the sound card that remains below clipping, to optimize noise performance. |
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"Arny Krueger" wrote Looking at my options I could connect the microphone preamp (300 ohms, RCA) directly to the input of the sound card or connect the microphone preamp to the input of a stereo preamp and then output to the sound card. My choices of stereo preamps have the following out impedances: 150 mV/0.6 K-ohms, 1 V/1.2 K-ohm or 250 ohms (no voltage reference provided but has 2V RMS output into 60 K ohm load). Are there any technical advantages to any of these combinations sited or is it strictly by ear? You want to apply the largest voltage to the sound card that remains below clipping, to optimize noise performance. The specs on the card indicate a peak analog input signal of +2dBV. What voltage does this represent? |
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Sound card - unwanted noise and inductance
6.02 volts.
Powell wrote: "Arny Krueger" wrote Looking at my options I could connect the microphone preamp (300 ohms, RCA) directly to the input of the sound card or connect the microphone preamp to the input of a stereo preamp and then output to the sound card. My choices of stereo preamps have the following out impedances: 150 mV/0.6 K-ohms, 1 V/1.2 K-ohm or 250 ohms (no voltage reference provided but has 2V RMS output into 60 K ohm load). Are there any technical advantages to any of these combinations sited or is it strictly by ear? You want to apply the largest voltage to the sound card that remains below clipping, to optimize noise performance. The specs on the card indicate a peak analog input signal of +2dBV. What voltage does this represent? |
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"S O'Neill" wrote Looking at my options I could connect the microphone preamp (300 ohms, RCA) directly to the input of the sound card or connect the microphone preamp to the input of a stereo preamp and then output to the sound card. My choices of stereo preamps have the following out impedances: 150 mV/0.6 K-ohms, 1 V/1.2 K-ohm or 250 ohms (no voltage reference provided but has 2V RMS output into 60 K ohm load). Are there any technical advantages to any of these combinations sited or is it strictly by ear? You want to apply the largest voltage to the sound card that remains below clipping, to optimize noise performance. The specs on the card indicate a peak analog input signal of +2dBV. What voltage does this represent? 6.02 volts. Ok. Microphone pre-amp output is +22 dBu. What voltage does this represent? |
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"Powell" wrote in message
"Arny Krueger" wrote Looking at my options I could connect the microphone preamp (300 ohms, RCA) directly to the input of the sound card or connect the microphone preamp to the input of a stereo preamp and then output to the sound card. My choices of stereo preamps have the following out impedances: 150 mV/0.6 K-ohms, 1 V/1.2 K-ohm or 250 ohms (no voltage reference provided but has 2V RMS output into 60 K ohm load). Are there any technical advantages to any of these combinations sited or is it strictly by ear? You want to apply the largest voltage to the sound card that remains below clipping, to optimize noise performance. The specs on the card indicate a peak analog input signal of +2dBV. What voltage does this represent? +2 dBV is about 1.26 volts. |
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"S O'Neill" wrote in message
Powell wrote: "Arny Krueger" wrote Looking at my options I could connect the microphone preamp (300 ohms, RCA) directly to the input of the sound card or connect the microphone preamp to the input of a stereo preamp and then output to the sound card. My choices of stereo preamps have the following out impedances: 150 mV/0.6 K-ohms, 1 V/1.2 K-ohm or 250 ohms (no voltage reference provided but has 2V RMS output into 60 K ohm load). Are there any technical advantages to any of these combinations sited or is it strictly by ear? You want to apply the largest voltage to the sound card that remains below clipping, to optimize noise performance. The specs on the card indicate a peak analog input signal of +2dBV. What voltage does this represent? 6.02 volts. That would be more like +15.56 dBV. +2 dBV is about 1.26 volts. |
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The specs on the card indicate a peak analog input signal of +2dBV. What voltage does this represent? In article writes: 6.02 volts. Wrong. It's 2 dB over 1 volt. That's 1.26 volts. 6.02 volts would be +15.6 dBV -- I'm really Mike Rivers - ) However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over, lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring and reach me he double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo |
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S O'Neill wrote:
6.02 volts, which was really, really wrong. Sorry. Everyone else got it right. |
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Powell wrote:
The specs on the card indicate a peak analog input signal of +2dBV. What voltage does this represent? S O'Neill wrote: 6.02 volts. Are you sure about that? ulysses |
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Sound card - unwanted noise and inductance
Powell wrote:
Ok. Microphone pre-amp output is +22 dBu. What voltage does this represent? If the other correct posts are correct in saying that +2dBV is 1.26 volts, then +22dBV would be 12.6 volts. +22dBu is probably something similar to +22dBV, but I'm too tired to open that can of worms. In any event, this specification is probably the maximum output level before clipping. Certainly your preamp is capable of putting out quieter signals than that. You might want/need to strap a terminating resistor across the output of your RCA preamp in order to get flat frequency response. ulysses |
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Sound card - unwanted noise and inductance
"Powell" wrote in message
Ok. Microphone pre-amp output is +22 dBu. What voltage does this represent? About 9.8 volts. A mic pre that puts out this kind of voltage is obviously rather poorly matched to an Audiophile 24/96. It can be made to work effectively a number of ways, but like I keep saying, the Audiophile 24/96 is NOT designed to work optimally in an audio production environment. That's why M-Audio makes cards like the Delta 66, and Delta 1010. That's why most of their competitors make cards with input and output levels that are like the Delta 66 and Delta 1010. |
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Sound card - unwanted noise and inductance
Yes, I'm sure it's wrong. I was thinking exactly backwards, and off a little
bit, but otherwise dead on. First misteak I ever made, too. Justin Ulysses Morse wrote: Are you sure about that? |
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