There have been a number of articles recently discussing the death of the
CD, and wondering what might replace it commercially. Some of the
possibilities discussed are flash memory, downloading a la iPod, or even
sending info directly to the brain. Let's ignore this latter, since it's
not presently possible, and attempt to answer the question of what might
actually take the place of CDs. A successful replacement will have to have
all the features of a CD, but solve a few of the CD's drawbacks. Among
these are the following:

1. Not long enough playing time, as is evidenced by the large number of
multi-CD sets on the market.
2. Too large. A 12cm disc will not fit in the pocket conveniently.
Furthermore, the players are too large; they should be about the size of a
minidisc player.
3. Stereo only. A new standard should allow for multi-channel playback.

A replacement technology should solve all these problems, while preserving
the good features of the CD, notably:

1. Extremely high fidelity
2. Very low manufacturing cost
3. Easily adapted to home recording

How would you suggest solving the problems of the CD and preserving its
features? If you have a suggestion, please respond.

Norm Strong

[Richard Crowley]

normanstrong wrote ...
There have been a number of articles recently discussing the death of the
CD, and wondering what might replace it commercially. Some of the
possibilities discussed are flash memory, downloading a la iPod, or even
sending info directly to the brain. Let's ignore this latter, since it's
not presently possible, and attempt to answer the question of what might
actually take the place of CDs. A successful replacement will have to
have all the features of a CD, but solve a few of the CD's drawbacks.
Among these are the following:

1. Not long enough playing time, as is evidenced by the large number of
multi-CD sets on the market.
2. Too large. A 12cm disc will not fit in the pocket conveniently.
Furthermore, the players are too large; they should be about the size of a
minidisc player.
3. Stereo only. A new standard should allow for multi-channel playback.

You are looking at from the consumer POV.
If you were looking from the label POV, you would have included...

4. Unencrypted. Trivial to rip and re-purpose content beyond any
control of the owner of the intellectual property.
5. Unprotected. No way to control who/how/where content is used.
No way to protect unauthorized copying, transmission, etc.
6. Quality level beyond requirements. Wasted space with uncompressed
recording. Too easy to compress to MP3, etc. MP3 is now the "standard".
Anything beyond that only of interest to fringe (and unprofitable) audiphile
market.

And likely others I didn't think of at the moment.

Just playing devil's advocate here. Don't kill the messenger. :-)

[Kalman Rubinson]

On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 10:33:26 -0700, wrote:

1. Not long enough playing time, as is evidenced by the large number of
multi-CD sets on the market.
Disagree. MultiCD sets are in the minority compared to single CD
releases, so increased playing is not a big issue. In fact, it may be
a disadvantage as artists will be stressed to fill it up and pressured
by buyers who insist on it being filled. Besides, see (2)......

2. Too large. A 12cm disc will not fit in the pocket conveniently.
Furthermore, the players are too large; they should be about the size of a
minidisc player.
OK. Not a biggy for me but there's no downside to this. However, if
the data capacity is increased substantially, one might hope for equal
or more capacity here than for the current discs.

3. Stereo only. A new standard should allow for multi-channel playback.
New? Pick one and standardize it. The problem isn't a lack of
suitable multichannel formats but the confusion of having too many.
The average user just wants to know that "it will play in my VCR" or
equivalent.

A replacement technology should solve all these problems, while preserving
the good features of the CD, notably:
1. Extremely high fidelity
2. Very low manufacturing cost
3. Easily adapted to home recording
Agreed. Credit card-size optical discs with the option of being dual
sided. Of course, with the appropriate players, SD cards might be
even better.

Kal

[Sander deWaal]

"Jan Holm" said:


Cant remember where but I read an interview with Mr Gates
stating that Blue Ray / HD DVD will be the last physical format.
From then on youll be streaming from your own server or a central
server via cable or air.

I dont often agree with Gates but I'm in on this one !


How will you play your music in the car?
Not that I won't agree with your (or Billy's) conclusions, but there
has to be some concensus on the format and coding/decoding of portable
sources.
Or should we just connect a multi-format card reader to the USB
connector on our car radio (already possible and done, you will note).

--
"All amps sound alike, but some sound more alike than others".

"Richard Crowley" wrote in message
...
normanstrong wrote ...
There have been a number of articles recently discussing the death of the
CD, and wondering what might replace it commercially. Some of the
possibilities discussed are flash memory, downloading a la iPod, or even
sending info directly to the brain. Let's ignore this latter, since it's
not presently possible, and attempt to answer the question of what might
actually take the place of CDs. A successful replacement will have to
have all the features of a CD, but solve a few of the CD's drawbacks.
Among these are the following:

1. Not long enough playing time, as is evidenced by the large number of
multi-CD sets on the market.
2. Too large. A 12cm disc will not fit in the pocket conveniently.
Furthermore, the players are too large; they should be about the size of
a minidisc player.
3. Stereo only. A new standard should allow for multi-channel playback.

You are looking at from the consumer POV.
If you were looking from the label POV, you would have included...

4. Unencrypted. Trivial to rip and re-purpose content beyond any
control of the owner of the intellectual property.
5. Unprotected. No way to control who/how/where content is used.
No way to protect unauthorized copying, transmission, etc.
6. Quality level beyond requirements. Wasted space with uncompressed
recording. Too easy to compress to MP3, etc. MP3 is now the "standard".
Anything beyond that is only of interest to the fringe (and unprofitable)
audiophile
market.

And likely others I didn't think of at the moment.

Just playing devil's advocate here. Don't kill the messenger. :-)

Those are excellent points--all of them. My guess is that protection will
be overlaid on the other requirements of the new protocol, in the commercial
market at least.

Norm

[Walt]

wrote:

There have been a number of articles recently discussing the death of the
CD, and wondering what might replace it commercially. Some of the
possibilities discussed are flash memory, downloading a la iPod, or even
sending info directly to the brain. Let's ignore this latter, since it's
not presently possible, and attempt to answer the question of what might
actually take the place of CDs. A successful replacement will have to have
all the features of a CD, but solve a few of the CD's drawbacks. Among
these are the following:

1. Not long enough playing time, as is evidenced by the large number of
multi-CD sets on the market.
2. Too large. A 12cm disc will not fit in the pocket conveniently.
Furthermore, the players are too large; they should be about the size of a
minidisc player.
3. Stereo only. A new standard should allow for multi-channel playback.

A replacement technology should solve all these problems, while preserving
the good features of the CD, notably:

1. Extremely high fidelity
2. Very low manufacturing cost
3. Easily adapted to home recording

How would you suggest solving the problems of the CD and preserving its
features? If you have a suggestion, please respond.

The replacement is here already - a digital file that is stored on
whatever digital storage media happens to be lying around. Get rid of
the notion that a recording needs to be distributed as a physical object.

It overcomes your three objections to CD - the file can be as long as
you have disc space, it's virtual so it takes up no physical space, and
the format can be whatever you want it.*

It meets your three criteria - no limit on sampling rate or bit count,
zero manufacturing cost, and home computers come standard with
soundcards & software to record .wav files.

*format is somewhat problematic here - until some sort of standard for
multi-channel playback is settled upon, formats will be be a tower of
babel. This is what killed Quad in the 70's - we'll see if something
emerges this time.

//Walt

[AZ Nomad]

On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 20:06:06 +0200, Jan Holm wrote:


wrote
A replacement technology should solve all these problems, while preserving
the good features of the CD, notably:

Cant remember where but I read an interview with Mr Gates
stating that Blue Ray / HD DVD will be the last physical format.
From then on youll be streaming from your own server or a central
server via cable or air.

I dont often agree with Gates but I'm in on this one !

Gates and his ilk would like to see the end of owning copies and the end
of transfering ownership. His dream world is one in which you have to pay
every time you play and where you always pay full list price.

[Federico]

IMHO nothing will replace the CD.
What do we need CD for? I'm not using CDs or DVDs from more than 2 months.
The CD was primarly intended ad a delivery media, to be sold as vinyl
records or audio cassettes.
Now we have huge memory space and super fast speed for exchanging data
without using a physic media.

The real question could be: what format will replace 16bit Stereo 44.1KHz?
F.

[David Morgan \(MAMS\)]

"AZ Nomad" wrote in message...

Gates and his ilk would like to see the end of owning copies and the end
of transfering ownership. His dream world is one in which you have to pay
every time you play and where you always pay full list price.


Pure conjecture.

[Richard Crowley]

"Federico" wrote ...
IMHO nothing will replace the CD.
What do we need CD for? I'm not using CDs or DVDs from more than 2 months.
The CD was primarly intended ad a delivery media, to be sold as vinyl
records or audio cassettes.
Now we have huge memory space and super fast speed for exchanging data
without using a physic media.

If it is "psychic", you don't need physical media,
or even wires or RF! :-)

The real question could be: what format will replace 16bit Stereo 44.1KHz?

240KBPS MP3 :-)
or the equivalent DRM-protected format(s)

[[email protected]]

In rec.audio.misc Jan Holm wrote:
wrote
A replacement technology should solve all these problems, while preserving
the good features of the CD, notably:

Cant remember where but I read an interview with Mr Gates
stating that Blue Ray / HD DVD will be the last physical format.
From then on youll be streaming from your own server or a central
server via cable or air.

640K is all anyone will ever need...

[[email protected]]

wrote:

In rec.audio.misc Jan Holm wrote:

wrote

A replacement technology should solve all these problems, while preserving
the good features of the CD, notably:


Cant remember where but I read an interview with Mr Gates
stating that Blue Ray / HD DVD will be the last physical format.
From then on youll be streaming from your own server or a central
server via cable or air.


640K is all anyone will ever need...




EXACTLY what I thought!!

[David Morgan \(MAMS\)]

"Richard Crowley" wrote in message ...
"David Morgan (MAMS)" wrote ...
"AZ Nomad" wrote in message...

Gates and his ilk would like to see the end of owning copies and the end
of transfering ownership. His dream world is one in which you have to
pay
every time you play and where you always pay full list price.


Pure conjecture.

I believe Gates has said essentially that on the record.
(Except maybe not the part about "full list price" except
implicitly. :-)


;-) I'm aware of his views on streaming, not on pricing.

[AZ Nomad]

On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 18:38:44 GMT, David Morgan (MAMS) wrote:



"AZ Nomad" wrote in message...

Gates and his ilk would like to see the end of owning copies and the end
of transfering ownership. His dream world is one in which you have to pay
every time you play and where you always pay full list price.


Pure conjecture.

You've never heard of DRM?

[David Morgan \(MAMS\)]

"AZ Nomad" wrote in message

where you always pay full list price.

Pure conjecture.

You've never heard of DRM?

What's the suggested retail price for that ??


;-)

"Kalman Rubinson" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 10:33:26 -0700, wrote:

1. Not long enough playing time, as is evidenced by the large number of
multi-CD sets on the market.
Disagree. MultiCD sets are in the minority compared to single CD
releases, so increased playing is not a big issue. In fact, it may be
a disadvantage as artists will be stressed to fill it up and pressured
by buyers who insist on it being filled. Besides, see (2)......

Good points. I was looking it it from my point of view. I listen to
classical music, and much of what I listen to requires more than a single
CD. I just took a look at my collection and added up the number of
selections that require more than one CD, but fewer than 4. 28% of my
collection falls into that category. But you're right. For the general
public it's a non-issue, and there is definitely a downside due to the
customer's demands that the discs be filled.

The solution will eventually be a new pricing model, based on duration
rather than number of pieces of product

2. Too large. A 12cm disc will not fit in the pocket conveniently.
Furthermore, the players are too large; they should be about the size of a
minidisc player.
OK. Not a biggy for me but there's no downside to this. However, if
the data capacity is increased substantially, one might hope for equal
or more capacity here than for the current discs.

3. Stereo only. A new standard should allow for multi-channel playback.
New? Pick one and standardize it. The problem isn't a lack of
suitable multichannel formats but the confusion of having too many.
The average user just wants to know that "it will play in my VCR" or
equivalent.

It's a fact that there is no choice in the current CDs. You get stereo;
that's it.

A replacement technology should solve all these problems, while preserving
the good features of the CD, notably:
1. Extremely high fidelity
2. Very low manufacturing cost
3. Easily adapted to home recording
Agreed. Credit card-size optical discs with the option of being dual
sided. Of course, with the appropriate players, SD cards might be
even better.

Double-sided discs, credit card size, is an excellent suggestion. Flash
memory sounds good in theory, but the cost of manufacture is not going to be
even close to what's needed for the forseeable future. We need something
close to 10 cents--not 10 dollars!

The solution that appeals most to me is the 8cm DVD. It will hold twice as
much data as a CD, it's already a standard, and it costs practically nothing
to manufacture. Anyone with a DVD player can play one. I believe all
players must play 48k/16 bit PCM and 448kb/s Dolby Digital. The only
product development necessary would be portable players optimized for 8cm
discs.

Double sided and 2-layer discs are added possibilities.

Norm Strong

[Mark]

The replacement is here already - a digital file that is stored on
whatever digital storage media happens to be lying around. Get rid of
the notion that a recording needs to be distributed as a physical object.

snip

//Walt

BINGO! Agreed

Mark

[Randy Yates]

Sander deWaal wrote:
"Jan Holm" said:


Cant remember where but I read an interview with Mr Gates
stating that Blue Ray / HD DVD will be the last physical format.
From then on youll be streaming from your own server or a central
server via cable or air.

I dont often agree with Gates but I'm in on this one !


How will you play your music in the car?

Through your new 4G phone and Bluetooth. 4G data rates
are targeted at 20 Mb/s.

--RY

[Jeff Findley]

wrote in message
. ..
The solution that appeals most to me is the 8cm DVD. It will hold twice
as much data as a CD, it's already a standard, and it costs practically
nothing to manufacture. Anyone with a DVD player can play one. I believe
all players must play 48k/16 bit PCM and 448kb/s Dolby Digital. The only
product development necessary would be portable players optimized for 8cm
discs.

Double sided and 2-layer discs are added possibilities.

Wouldn't appeal to the record labels. Breaking the copy protection on DVD's
is as easy as downloading something like DVD Decrypter or DVD Shrink.

Record companies want new copy protection schemes that are far better than
DVD. Ideally, they want something that can never be circumvented.

Jeff
--
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a
little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor
safety"
- B. Franklin, Bartlett's Familiar Quotations (1919)

[Jeff Findley]

"Randy Yates" wrote in message
ups.com...
wrote:
There have been a number of articles recently discussing the death of the
CD, and wondering what might replace it commercially.

If the CD dies, it's death won't be caused by consumers but
rather by media moguls who have nothing but $$ signs in
their eyes.

The CD is not dead. In fact, just the opposite is true -
DVD/Audio and SACD are dying.

True. The masses have decided that it's not worth spending the money on
anything with higher quality than DVD. There is, however, a growing market
for lower quality in the form of music downloads in lossy compressed
formats. As more people abandon hard media formats in favor of music
downloads, the demand for *any* hard media format will continue to drop.

Jeff
--
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a
little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor
safety"
- B. Franklin, Bartlett's Familiar Quotations (1919)

[AZ Nomad]

On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 18:55:57 GMT, David Morgan (MAMS) wrote:



"Richard Crowley" wrote in message ...
"David Morgan (MAMS)" wrote ...
"AZ Nomad" wrote in message...

Gates and his ilk would like to see the end of owning copies and the end
of transfering ownership. His dream world is one in which you have to
pay
every time you play and where you always pay full list price.


Pure conjecture.

I believe Gates has said essentially that on the record.
(Except maybe not the part about "full list price" except
implicitly. :-)


;-) I'm aware of his views on streaming, not on pricing.


If you can only get authority to play the media from the original
copyright holder then there can be no price discounting.

I've yet to see transfer of ownership practiced in any with with
DRM and it's ilk. You won't see any second hand sales and you won't
see any discounting.

[AZ Nomad]

On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 19:45:43 GMT, David Morgan (MAMS) wrote:



"AZ Nomad" wrote in message..

If you can only get authority to play the media from the original
copyright holder then there can be no price discounting.

I've yet to see transfer of ownership practiced in any with with
DRM and it's ilk. You won't see any second hand sales and you won't
see any discounting.


Do you buy your music now or steal it all ??
grow up.

If you buy it, what's your beef?
My problem is playback choices.

I will not tolerate having to repurchase all my music every time I buy
a new playback device. You might not mind being a music industry whore,
but not everybody is as stupid as you.

I will not tolerate being denied the ability to permenantly own my purchases,
or to buy or sell secondhand.

[Federico]

The masses have decided that it's not worth spending the money on
anything with higher quality than CD.


I don't think that's true.
It is only a problem of space (memory) and speed (delivery).

Years ago speed was slow and memory was expensive, so MP3-128Kb/s was ok.
Now we have terabyte big HD and Cable (imagin what will it be in 5 years
from now). So we can start using .wav files-16 bit.
In 5 years we could be exchanging 24bits files 96KHz just like we do now
with MP3.
F.

[Richard Crowley]

"David Morgan (MAMS)" wrote ...

"AZ Nomad" wrote in message

where you always pay full list price.

Pure conjecture.

You've never heard of DRM?

What's the suggested retail price for that ??

Whatever the owners of the "R" say it is.
But you knew that.

[David Morgan \(MAMS\)]

"AZ Nomad" wrote in message ...
On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 19:45:43 GMT, David Morgan (MAMS) ...

Do you buy your music now or steal it all ??

grow up.

Growing up is answering the question. I have no problem with doing
what ever I choose to do with the music that I buy on compact disc.
What seems to be your issue with that ?

If you buy it, what's your beef?

My problem is playback choices.

Your problem appears to be one of not being able to circumvent DRM
if it's ever made to actually work. So far, it's a failure, and Sony will tell
you that it's no breeze to defend.

I will not tolerate having to repurchase all my music every time I buy
a new playback device.

I don't get it... again, I have no problem putting the music I own onto
any format I choose to.

You might not mind being a music industry whore,
but not everybody is as stupid as you.

A-hah.... Now the truth of your real 'issue' really surfaces.

I will not tolerate being denied the ability to permenantly own my purchases,

Deal with it when it happens.... right now it's a fairy tale. I own all of
my music, movies, DVDs, etc., and I have no problem with that level
of ownership.

or to buy or sell secondhand.

Then buy hard copies of the real thing at retail price... poof! It's yours !!!!
Certain rights come with that purchase, the main one being ownership
and the right to transfer, and in many cases the right to make a copy.

[Howard Ferstler]

wrote:

There have been a number of articles recently discussing the death of the
CD, and wondering what might replace it commercially.

You can be sure that whatever comes along to replace it will
be designed, first and foremost, to make money.

My guess is that the CD is just too convenient, workable,
and cost effective (and well entrenched) to be removed from
the picture for some time. Unlike the LP record, which had
huge disadvantages that made it an unhappy medium for lots
of people, the CD remains an advanced way for people to
conveniently enjoy music on home-audio systems. It is not as
portable as some of the new stuff, but it works just fine
with in-place audio rigs.

Howard Ferstler

[AZ Nomad]

On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 20:25:12 GMT, David Morgan (MAMS) wrote:



"AZ Nomad" wrote in message ...
On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 19:45:43 GMT, David Morgan (MAMS) ...

Do you buy your music now or steal it all ??

grow up.

Growing up is answering the question. I have no problem with doing
what ever I choose to do with the music that I buy on compact disc.
What seems to be your issue with that ?

If you buy it, what's your beef?

My problem is playback choices.

Your problem appears to be one of not being able to circumvent DRM
if it's ever made to actually work. So far, it's a failure, and Sony will tell
you that it's no breeze to defend.

Your obsession with stealing music speaks volumes. Why aren't you in the
habit of buying legal copies?

[Walt]

Richard Crowley wrote:

"Federico" wrote ...

The real question could be: what format will replace 16bit Stereo 44.1KHz?


240KBPS MP3 :-)
or the equivalent DRM-protected format(s)

Was Devo ahead of their time or what?

//Walt

[Walt]

Jan Holm wrote:
"Walt" wrote

The replacement is here already - a digital file that is stored on
whatever digital storage media happens to be lying around. Get rid of the
notion that a recording needs to be distributed as a physical object.

I want everything I own, everywhere I am, any time I want.
No digital media "lying arround" will handle this. No everyone
is going to have a media server at home. This will be connected
to the internet - at your fingertip constantly.

I think we're basically saying the same thing - the replacement "unit"
is a digital file which is not tied to any particular physical location.

The technology for moving those bits around so that you can have them
whereever you want is subject to some evolution, but the replacement for
the CD is here now.

//Walt
//
// unfortunately an infererior format is currently the most popular

[AZ Nomad]

On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 15:48:25 -0500, Babaganoosh wrote:


I don't download music (I either buy the CD or go without) for these
reasons:

- I am opposed, on principle, to DRM.

I'm not if only DRM is as flexible as real ownership. That must include:
permenant ownership not bound to a particular device
transfer of ownership with the price determined by owner, not copyright holder
use on any device the owner posesses

[David Morgan \(MAMS\)]

"AZ Nomad" wrote in message ...
On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 20:25:12 GMT, David Morgan (MAMS) wrote:



"AZ Nomad" wrote in message ...
On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 19:45:43 GMT, David Morgan (MAMS) ...

Do you buy your music now or steal it all ??

grow up.

Growing up is answering the question. I have no problem with doing
what ever I choose to do with the music that I buy on compact disc.
What seems to be your issue with that ?

If you buy it, what's your beef?

My problem is playback choices.

Your problem appears to be one of not being able to circumvent DRM
if it's ever made to actually work. So far, it's a failure, and Sony will tell
you that it's no breeze to defend.

Your obsession with stealing music speaks volumes. Why aren't you in the
habit of buying legal copies?


Duhhh..... What?

[David Morgan \(MAMS\)]

"Richard Crowley" wrote in message...

And better hope your hard drive doesn't crash or there
goes your investment in DRM content. :-(


Maybe that's where I'm falling short in this conversation.... I don't have
anything on my hard drive (or I-Pod or ther 'fad' protable device) that
I'm not working on for a client. I buy CDs and DVDs, I don't play the
silly software games.

DM

[Trevor Wilson]

wrote in message
. ..
There have been a number of articles recently discussing the death of the
CD, and wondering what might replace it commercially. Some of the
possibilities discussed are flash memory, downloading a la iPod, or even
sending info directly to the brain. Let's ignore this latter, since it's
not presently possible, and attempt to answer the question of what might
actually take the place of CDs. A successful replacement will have to
have all the features of a CD, but solve a few of the CD's drawbacks.
Among these are the following:

1. Not long enough playing time, as is evidenced by the large number of
multi-CD sets on the market.
2. Too large. A 12cm disc will not fit in the pocket conveniently.
Furthermore, the players are too large; they should be about the size of a
minidisc player.
3. Stereo only. A new standard should allow for multi-channel playback.

A replacement technology should solve all these problems, while preserving
the good features of the CD, notably:

1. Extremely high fidelity
2. Very low manufacturing cost
3. Easily adapted to home recording

How would you suggest solving the problems of the CD and preserving its
features? If you have a suggestion, please respond.

**It's already happening. Ipods and other MP3 style devices will kill off
DCs very quickly. I have one which is around half the size of a matchbox and
can store 20 CDs worth of music in solid state memory. It can record and has
an FM tuner too. All for 80 Bucks. In a few years solid state memory will be
cheap enough for producers to sell directly, though I suspect
pay-for-download seems to be the way of the future. Like it or not. The MP3
generation will decide which way it goes.


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au



--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

[DaveW]

Anyone here heard of the DVD? And the upcoming HD DVD?

--
DaveW

----------------
wrote in message
. ..
There have been a number of articles recently discussing the death of the
CD, and wondering what might replace it commercially. Some of the
possibilities discussed are flash memory, downloading a la iPod, or even
sending info directly to the brain. Let's ignore this latter, since it's
not presently possible, and attempt to answer the question of what might
actually take the place of CDs. A successful replacement will have to
have all the features of a CD, but solve a few of the CD's drawbacks.
Among these are the following:

1. Not long enough playing time, as is evidenced by the large number of
multi-CD sets on the market.
2. Too large. A 12cm disc will not fit in the pocket conveniently.
Furthermore, the players are too large; they should be about the size of a
minidisc player.
3. Stereo only. A new standard should allow for multi-channel playback.

A replacement technology should solve all these problems, while preserving
the good features of the CD, notably:

1. Extremely high fidelity
2. Very low manufacturing cost
3. Easily adapted to home recording

How would you suggest solving the problems of the CD and preserving its
features? If you have a suggestion, please respond.

Norm Strong

[Steve Urbach]

On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 23:36:44 +0100, Signal wrote:

" emitted :

There have been a number of articles recently discussing the death of the
CD, and wondering what might replace it commercially. Some of the
possibilities discussed are flash memory, downloading a la iPod, or even
sending info directly to the brain. Let's ignore this latter, since it's
not presently possible, and attempt to answer the question of what might
actually take the place of CDs. A successful replacement will have to have
all the features of a CD, but solve a few of the CD's drawbacks. Among
these are the following:

1. Not long enough playing time, as is evidenced by the large number of
multi-CD sets on the market.
2. Too large. A 12cm disc will not fit in the pocket conveniently.
Furthermore, the players are too large; they should be about the size of a
minidisc player.
3. Stereo only. A new standard should allow for multi-channel playback.

A replacement technology should solve all these problems, while preserving
the good features of the CD, notably:

1. Extremely high fidelity
2. Very low manufacturing cost
3. Easily adapted to home recording

How would you suggest solving the problems of the CD and preserving its
features? If you have a suggestion, please respond.

Norm Strong






Tape.
Got loads of pre-recorded OPEN REEL Quad tapes
Got Laser Disc *This is the only format with *any* form of copy guard
Got CD4 Quad Disc (and some SQ and QS matrix )
Got even more pre-recorded quarter track Stereo tapes
Got Mono LP's
Got Stereo LP's

Under DRM type rules, I can only play them in their native media
format (if I can continue to get the equipment to work in the future)

Other formats I have owned.
Muntz cartridge (automobile player)
8-track Car and desktop
Compact Cassette
Gee I missed buying Beta-tape, RCA's Video disk format (can't remember
its name)

Note every one of these media changes was by my choice (mostly) and in
every case except the Muntz, the company that released them is still
in business today.
As I understand the law,it does not matter which media format I choose
to play them with AS LONG AS I retain the original and do not use
another format at the same time.

Which seems a little extreme as I can play any over Multiple displays
and speakers located in various rooms within my house.

[Romeo Rondeau]

Yes, a DVD can hold about 60 hours of good quality MP3, a dual layer even
over 100 hours. Some players do play MP3 on DVD.

Here's a list of DVD players and their capabilities for anyone interested.

http://www.videohelp.com/dvdplayers.php?

[Albatross]

My guess is that the CD is just too convenient, workable,
and cost effective (and well entrenched) to be removed from the picture
for some time. Unlike the LP record, which had huge disadvantages that
made it an unhappy medium for lots of people, the CD remains an advanced
way for people to conveniently enjoy music on home-audio systems.

Vinyl records were massively entrenched and are still in the picture now,
unlike other technolgies which have come & gone, or are on their way out.
Can any other technology boast of being playable still in 100 years?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vinyl_record#History

Cheers,
Ric

[Richard Crowley]

"Albatross" wrote ...
Vinyl records were massively entrenched and are still in the picture
now, unlike other technolgies which have come & gone, or are on their
way out. Can any other technology boast of being playable still in 100
years?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vinyl_record#History

Writing/printing on paper?
Oil paintings?
Photography?
:-)

[Jenn]

In article ,
wrote:

There have been a number of articles recently discussing the death of the
CD, and wondering what might replace it commercially. Some of the
possibilities discussed are flash memory, downloading a la iPod, or even
sending info directly to the brain. Let's ignore this latter, since it's
not presently possible, and attempt to answer the question of what might
actually take the place of CDs. A successful replacement will have to have
all the features of a CD, but solve a few of the CD's drawbacks. Among
these are the following:

1. Not long enough playing time, as is evidenced by the large number of
multi-CD sets on the market.
2. Too large. A 12cm disc will not fit in the pocket conveniently.
Furthermore, the players are too large; they should be about the size of a
minidisc player.
3. Stereo only. A new standard should allow for multi-channel playback.

A replacement technology should solve all these problems, while preserving
the good features of the CD, notably:

1. Extremely high fidelity
2. Very low manufacturing cost
3. Easily adapted to home recording

How would you suggest solving the problems of the CD and preserving its
features? If you have a suggestion, please respond.

Norm Strong

I would be surprised of there is ANY newly produced physical music media
in about 5 years.

[Dr. Dolittle]

Jenn wrote:

I would be surprised of there is ANY newly produced physical music media
in about 5 years.

How about small music chips? Once they can get an album in high
resolution, perhaps DSD, on a small chip, this could be the best
solution. Players could abound, a watch perhaps? Sunglasses?

You could buy em, sell em, trade em, but you couldn't copy them. Kind of
like a record, but better.