I'm looking to get a new CD-player and can't decide on whether to get a
SACD unit or DVD-a compatible one? My thinking is:

1. SACD will play CD's and that would be great for computer burned CD's,
but is the format short lived?

2. DVD-a is highest quality, but who makes DVD'a Cd's, and I won't be
able to burn my own CD's.

The Marantz SA-11S1 has my attention.

"Michael" wrote in message
t

I'm looking to get a new CD-player and can't decide on
whether to get a SACD unit or DVD-a compatible one?

Why not get a player that is compatible with all of the
above? Heck, even I have one!

My thinking is:

1. SACD will play CD's and that would be great for
computer burned CD's, but is the format short lived?

IMO SACD is already dead as a mainstream audio media format.

2. DVD-a is highest quality, but who makes DVD'a Cd's,
and I won't be able to burn my own CD's.

You can make DVD-A's with a PC with the right software and a
regular DVD burner.

Michael wrote:
I'm looking to get a new CD-player and can't decide on whether to get a
SACD unit or DVD-a compatible one? My thinking is:

1. SACD will play CD's and that would be great for computer burned CD's,
but is the format short lived?

2. DVD-a is highest quality, but who makes DVD'a Cd's, and I won't be
able to burn my own CD's.

The Marantz SA-11S1 has my attention.

Don't know anything about the Marantz. I do know that Pioneer offers
universal players that will play both DVD-A and SACD discs. Price is
maybe around $250(?), but I saw mail-order dealer (sorry, can't
remember who) selling them recently for $100. Try searching the web for
the best price. Anyway, if I were you I'd only consider a universal
player, so you'd always have a way to listen to any DVD-A or SACD discs
you buy now or in the future.

As for burning CDs, you might want to get a CD burner for your
computer. Or if you're considering buying a new computer eventually,
almost any computer sold now will include a CD burner, and often a DVD
burner too.

"Michael" wrote in message

Arny - can you reommend software for burning DVD-a?

I hear good things about discwelder. See google.

I am also trying to find a high-end DVD-a/SACD unit.

Got money burning a hole in your pocket, eh?

I hear the Red Cross is collecting money for good causes...

Arny - can you reommend software for burning DVD-a?

I am also trying to find a high-end DVD-a/SACD unit.

Arny Krueger wrote:
"Michael" wrote in message
t


I'm looking to get a new CD-player and can't decide on
whether to get a SACD unit or DVD-a compatible one?


Why not get a player that is compatible with all of the
above? Heck, even I have one!


My thinking is:


1. SACD will play CD's and that would be great for
computer burned CD's, but is the format short lived?


IMO SACD is already dead as a mainstream audio media format.


2. DVD-a is highest quality, but who makes DVD'a Cd's,
and I won't be able to burn my own CD's.


You can make DVD-A's with a PC with the right software and a
regular DVD burner.

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
"Michael" wrote in message
t

I'm looking to get a new CD-player and can't decide on
whether to get a SACD unit or DVD-a compatible one?

Why not get a player that is compatible with all of the above? Heck, even
I have one!

My thinking is:

1. SACD will play CD's and that would be great for
computer burned CD's, but is the format short lived?

IMO SACD is already dead as a mainstream audio media format.

Unless you are interested in classical music, where it is becoming the
dominant medium for new releases.

And only if you live in the US. SACD is doing much better in Europe and in
Asia.



2. DVD-a is highest quality, but who makes DVD'a Cd's,
and I won't be able to burn my own CD's.

You can make DVD-A's with a PC with the right software and a regular DVD
burner.

And about $3 grand of recording gear. Because other than a smattering of
pop, there is precious little DVD-A out there. And now with DualDisk, the
"DVD-A" that is being released has been dumbed dow to 48/24, not 96/24 or
192/24.

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
news
"Michael" wrote in message

Arny - can you reommend software for burning DVD-a?

I hear good things about discwelder. See google.

I am also trying to find a high-end DVD-a/SACD unit.

Got money burning a hole in your pocket, eh?

I hear the Red Cross is collecting money for good causes...

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
news
"Michael" wrote in message

Arny - can you reommend software for burning DVD-a?

I hear good things about discwelder. See google.

I am also trying to find a high-end DVD-a/SACD unit.

Got money burning a hole in your pocket, eh?

I hear the Red Cross is collecting money for good causes...



Are they gonna bankroll your next rehab?

On Wed, 05 Oct 2005 14:33:13 GMT, Michael
wrote:


I'm looking to get a new CD-player and can't decide on whether to get a
SACD unit or DVD-a compatible one? My thinking is:
SNIP

Why not simply buy one that plays both?

Kal

On Wed, 5 Oct 2005 11:40:53 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"Michael" wrote in message
om
Arny - can you reommend software for burning DVD-a?

I hear good things about discwelder. See google.

I am also trying to find a high-end DVD-a/SACD unit.

Got money burning a hole in your pocket, eh?

I hear the Red Cross is collecting money for good causes...

Actually that's a good point, especially (as noted in a post below) as
you can buy a Pioneer universal player with excellent sound for under
$150 US. I'm supposedly an audiophool, but I don't believe in spending
money on high end just for the sake of it, and charitable
organisations ARE pretty desperate these days.

"paul packer" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 5 Oct 2005 11:40:53 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"Michael" wrote in message
m
Arny - can you reommend software for burning DVD-a?

I hear good things about discwelder. See google.

I am also trying to find a high-end DVD-a/SACD unit.

Got money burning a hole in your pocket, eh?

I hear the Red Cross is collecting money for good causes...

Actually that's a good point, especially (as noted in a post below) as
you can buy a Pioneer universal player with excellent sound for under
$150 US. I'm supposedly an audiophool, but I don't believe in spending
money on high end just for the sake of it, and charitable
organisations ARE pretty desperate these days.


Really? I thought the Greater Detroit Mental Health
Society is flush with money. I hear they get
a 50% cut from the SWMMTS annual dues.

For what it's worth, a sub-$200 universal player is an excellent buy
these days. I don't think any of them suck. Maybe Gary Galo or someone
will do a nice mod article on one with a nice low impedance driver,
better filtering and shielding and a Big Knob volume control soon.

"Harry Lavo" wrote in message

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
"Michael" wrote in message
t

I'm looking to get a new CD-player and can't decide on
whether to get a SACD unit or DVD-a compatible one?

Why not get a player that is compatible with all of the
above? Heck, even I have one!

My thinking is:

1. SACD will play CD's and that would be great for
computer burned CD's, but is the format short lived?

IMO SACD is already dead as a mainstream audio media
format.

Unless you are interested in classical music, where it is
becoming the dominant medium for new releases.

A sad comment on the state of new releases.

And only if you live in the US. SACD is doing much
better in Europe and in Asia.

Higher percentage of audiophools, it seems. Or maybe just
classical music buyers.

2. DVD-a is highest quality, but who makes DVD'a Cd's,
and I won't be able to burn my own CD's.

You can make DVD-A's with a PC with the right software
and a regular DVD burner.

And about $3 grand of recording gear.

The only really nasty part of the mix is the microphones.

However, one can beat Harry's inflated estimate by 50% or
more if you know how to spell Earthworks.

Because other than
a smattering of pop, there is precious little DVD-A out
there. And now with DualDisk, the "DVD-A" that is being
released has been dumbed dow to 48/24, not 96/24 or
192/24.

Actually, its been smartened up, because higher sample rates
were always a sucker play. Now all they have to admit to
reality when it comes to word sizes.

Arny Krueger wrote:
"Harry Lavo" wrote in message

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
"Michael" wrote in message
t

I'm looking to get a new CD-player and can't decide on
whether to get a SACD unit or DVD-a compatible one?

Why not get a player that is compatible with all of the
above? Heck, even I have one!

My thinking is:

1. SACD will play CD's and that would be great for
computer burned CD's, but is the format short lived?

IMO SACD is already dead as a mainstream audio media
format.

Unless you are interested in classical music, where it is
becoming the dominant medium for new releases.

A sad comment on the state of new releases.

I question Harry's claim in any case. A visit to the
local CD emporium (Tower) does not support the idea
that SACD is the dominant medium for new
classical releases. Most are still CDs. This
includes both 'new' new releases, and reissues.

In article ,
Steven Sullivan wrote:

Arny Krueger wrote:
"Harry Lavo" wrote in message

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
"Michael" wrote in message
t

I'm looking to get a new CD-player and can't decide on
whether to get a SACD unit or DVD-a compatible one?

Why not get a player that is compatible with all of the
above? Heck, even I have one!

My thinking is:

1. SACD will play CD's and that would be great for
computer burned CD's, but is the format short lived?

IMO SACD is already dead as a mainstream audio media
format.

Unless you are interested in classical music, where it is
becoming the dominant medium for new releases.

A sad comment on the state of new releases.

I question Harry's claim in any case. A visit to the
local CD emporium (Tower) does not support the idea
that SACD is the dominant medium for new
classical releases. Most are still CDs. This
includes both 'new' new releases, and reissues.

Hard to argue with "becoming." Like SNL's Dan Quayle, SACD is "still
gaining acceptance."

Stephen

Sillybot doffs his priestly mantle in favor of workman's clothes.

A visit to the
local CD emporium (Tower) does not support the idea
that SACD is the dominant medium for new
classical releases.

Where's the diatribe demanding "proof" that SACD is a superior format? Where's
the denunciation of "flummery" inherent in "audiophile" software? I declare,
Sillybot, this dispassionate approach to a powderkeg issue like SACD casts a
pall over your Hivie credentials.

On 5 Oct 2005 21:57:21 -0700, "Bret Ludwig"
wrote:

For what it's worth, a sub-$200 universal player is an excellent buy
these days. I don't think any of them suck. Maybe Gary Galo or someone
will do a nice mod article on one with a nice low impedance driver,
better filtering and shielding and a Big Knob volume control soon.

We don't want to hear about Big Knobs on this NG, thank you. :-)

On Wed, 5 Oct 2005 22:27:20 -0400, "Clyde Slick"
wrote:


Actually that's a good point, especially (as noted in a post below) as
you can buy a Pioneer universal player with excellent sound for under
$150 US. I'm supposedly an audiophool, but I don't believe in spending
money on high end just for the sake of it, and charitable
organisations ARE pretty desperate these days.


Really? I thought the Greater Detroit Mental Health
Society is flush with money. I hear they get
a 50% cut from the SWMMTS annual dues.

And what does all that mean to somebody from Oz?

paul packer said:

We don't want to hear about Big Knobs on this NG, thank you. :-)

Don't talk like that or Krooger will start yammering about "rain coats".

Arny - With the Discwelder software, a decent RW DVD burner in a PC, why
would one need a special recorder like the Tascam DV-RA1000?

I am looking to download lossless music from Musicgiants.com and then
burn DVD-A discs using your Discwelder recommenation and then I can play
the new discs using a Marantz DV9500 'universal' player.

p.s.

I already donated to the relief efforts.

Arny Krueger wrote:
"Michael" wrote in message


Arny - can you reommend software for burning DVD-a?


I hear good things about discwelder. See google.


I am also trying to find a high-end DVD-a/SACD unit.


Got money burning a hole in your pocket, eh?

I hear the Red Cross is collecting money for good causes...

Kalman Rubinson wrote:

Why not simply buy one that plays both?

Any truth to the rumor Sony has abandoned the SACD format?


GeoSynch

Michael wrote:

I'm looking to get a new CD-player and can't decide on whether to get a SACD
unit or DVD-a compatible one? My thinking is:

1. SACD will play CD's and that would be great for computer burned CD's, but
is the format short lived?

2. DVD-a is highest quality, but who makes DVD'a Cd's, and I won't be able to
burn my own CD's.

The Marantz SA-11S1 has my attention.

The Denon 2910 universal player ($650 MSRP) was favorably reviewed
in The Absolute Sound a few issues back.


GeoSynch

On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 03:45:21 GMT, "GeoSynch"
wrote:

Kalman Rubinson wrote:

Why not simply buy one that plays both?

Any truth to the rumor Sony has abandoned the SACD format?

If I had any solid info, I would share it.

Kal

Kalman Rubinson wrote:

Any truth to the rumor Sony has abandoned the SACD format?

If I had any solid info, I would share it.

So, you're hearing the same rumors, too?


GeoSynch

On Wed, 12 Oct 2005 11:11:59 GMT, "GeoSynch"
wrote:

Kalman Rubinson wrote:

Any truth to the rumor Sony has abandoned the SACD format?

If I had any solid info, I would share it.

So, you're hearing the same rumors, too?

Only from sites like this. Nothing from anyone with authority.

Kal

Kalman Rubinson wrote:

Any truth to the rumor Sony has abandoned the SACD format?

If I had any solid info, I would share it.

So, you're hearing the same rumors, too?

Only from sites like this. Nothing from anyone with authority.

Can you pose the question to - and get a definitive answer from - Kawakami?


GeoSynch

On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 01:49:48 GMT, "GeoSynch"
wrote:

Kalman Rubinson wrote:

Any truth to the rumor Sony has abandoned the SACD format?

If I had any solid info, I would share it.

So, you're hearing the same rumors, too?

Only from sites like this. Nothing from anyone with authority.

Can you pose the question to - and get a definitive answer from - Kawakami?

Yes, I have, and no, I didn't. But that was months ago.

Kal

GeoStink wrote :

Can you pose the question to - and get a definitive answer from -
Kawakami?

What about your high-speed connection with the Trinity, eh Geogag ?

Kalman Rubinson wrote:

Any truth to the rumor Sony has abandoned the SACD format?

If I had any solid info, I would share it.

So, you're hearing the same rumors, too?

Only from sites like this. Nothing from anyone with authority.

Can you pose the question to - and get a definitive answer from - Kawakami?

Yes, I have, and no, I didn't. But that was months ago.

OK, thanks. Anything else noteworthy from that conversation, like why no new
SACD titles from Sony in such a long time?


GeoSynch

"Kalman Rubinson" wrote in message

On Wed, 05 Oct 2005 14:33:13 GMT, Michael
wrote:


I'm looking to get a new CD-player and can't decide on
whether to get a SACD unit or DVD-a compatible one? My
thinking is:
SNIP

Why not simply buy one that plays both?

Good question.

BTW the death of SACD. Companies like Sony rarely just
up and dump formats. No doubt their business plan will be
something like coming up with a sequel to SACD based on
their Blu-Ray technology, and then phasing that in as a
replacement for SACD. That way nobody in top management has
to admit that they made a billions-dollar mistake.

Lionella, how can a true Catholic be envious of a mere Baptist?

What about your high-speed connection with the Trinity, eh Geogag ?

Styncho receives his Holy Writs through pulpit-poundin' preachers. Have a cookie
and make believe it's God.

George Minus Middius wrote :

Lionella, how can a true Catholic be envious of a mere Baptist?

I don't know George... I am not your confessor. :-)

What about your high-speed connection with the Trinity, eh Geogag ?


Styncho receives his Holy Writs through pulpit-poundin' preachers. Have a cookie
and make believe it's God.

....Not really different than "have a dick and make believe it's a
cookie". Sorry George.

On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 07:30:29 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:


BTW the death of SACD. Companies like Sony rarely just
up and dump formats. No doubt their business plan will be
something like coming up with a sequel to SACD based on
their Blu-Ray technology, and then phasing that in as a
replacement for SACD. That way nobody in top management has
to admit that they made a billions-dollar mistake.

Of course, one of the problems of believing that everything sounds
pretty much the same is it makes improved formats redundant before
they're even introduced, since of course there's nothing to improve.
But tell me, out of curiousity, have you seriously listened to SACD or
DVD-A, and if so what was your impression? This is not a trick
question.

And BTW, I haven't listened to either.

Sluttie, are you still pretending to be a man?

Styncho receives his Holy Writs through pulpit-poundin' preachers. Have a
cookie and make believe it's God.

[Kroogerized line breaks repaired]

...Not really different than "have a dick and make believe it's a
cookie". Sorry George.

Glad you took care of your situation using the tools God gave you.

"paul packer" wrote in message

On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 07:30:29 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:


BTW the death of SACD. Companies like Sony rarely
just up and dump formats. No doubt their business plan
will be something like coming up with a sequel to SACD
based on their Blu-Ray technology, and then phasing that
in as a replacement for SACD. That way nobody in top
management has to admit that they made a billions-dollar
mistake.

Of course, one of the problems of believing that
everything sounds pretty much the same is it makes
improved formats redundant before they're even
introduced, since of course there's nothing to improve.

So Paul, who would this be that things that everything
pretty much sounds the same and why is that comment relevant
here?

But tell me, out of curiousity, have you seriously
listened to SACD or DVD-A, and if so what was your
impression?

I own a Pioneer combo player, have owned it for the better
part of a year. I have a stack of DVD-As and another stack
of SACDs.

My impression is that just listening to random discs is not
a good way to judge differing formats.

The Krooborg dares to be daffy.

Of course, one of the problems of believing that
everything sounds pretty much the same is it makes
improved formats redundant before they're even
introduced, since of course there's nothing to improve.

So Paul, who would this be that things[sic] that everything
pretty much sounds the same and why is that comment relevant
here?

Or, put another way:

"Who is Arnii Krooger?" -- Arnii Krooger, RAO, Sept. 2005

But tell me, out of curiousity, have you seriously
listened to SACD or DVD-A, and if so what was your
impression?

My impression is that just listening to random discs is not
a good way to judge differing formats.

Of course not. Listening counts for nothing.

Robert, if you're reading this, what's the 'borg counterpart to "the wisdom of
the Krell"?

George Minus Middius wrote :

Sluttie, are you still pretending to be a man?

Are you still pretending to be a human being ? ;-)

Styncho receives his Holy Writs through pulpit-poundin' preachers. Have a
cookie and make believe it's God.


[Kroogerized line breaks repaired]


No problem for me poor George. Perhaps you should try to fix your
newsreader.


...Not really different than "have a dick and make believe it's a
cookie". Sorry George.


Glad you took care of your situation using the tools God gave you.

And again you sound like McKelvy...

I can't tell the difference between DVD-A and SACD, BUT I can tell a
heck of a difference between red book CD and the other two. So I don't
really care which one survives so long as it is SACD (because I just
bought an SACD deck). I used an LP for comparison.

paul packer wrote:
On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 07:30:29 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:



BTW the death of SACD. Companies like Sony rarely just
up and dump formats. No doubt their business plan will be
something like coming up with a sequel to SACD based on
their Blu-Ray technology, and then phasing that in as a
replacement for SACD. That way nobody in top management has
to admit that they made a billions-dollar mistake.


Of course, one of the problems of believing that everything sounds
pretty much the same is it makes improved formats redundant before
they're even introduced, since of course there's nothing to improve.
But tell me, out of curiousity, have you seriously listened to SACD or
DVD-A, and if so what was your impression? This is not a trick
question.

And BTW, I haven't listened to either.

Michael wrote:
I can't tell the difference between DVD-A and SACD, BUT I can tell a
heck of a difference between red book CD and the other two. So I don't
really care which one survives so long as it is SACD (because I just
bought an SACD deck). I used an LP for comparison.

paul packer wrote:
On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 07:30:29 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:



BTW the death of SACD. Companies like Sony rarely just
up and dump formats. No doubt their business plan will be
something like coming up with a sequel to SACD based on
their Blu-Ray technology, and then phasing that in as a
replacement for SACD. That way nobody in top management has
to admit that they made a billions-dollar mistake.


Of course, one of the problems of believing that everything sounds
pretty much the same is it makes improved formats redundant before
they're even introduced, since of course there's nothing to improve.
But tell me, out of curiousity, have you seriously listened to SACD or
DVD-A, and if so what was your impression? This is not a trick
question.

And BTW, I haven't listened to either.

Of course you can tell the difference. Same as anyone familiar
with the sound of unamplified instruments in an acoustically good
concert hall.
It goes against the credo of those who listen not with their
memory of the real thing or never heard the real thing and substitute
the content of their undergrad textbooks for their ears and their brain
cortex
But that's too bad. It takes all kinds...
Incidentally the burning software I use is Exact Audio Copy.
It keeps correcting the errors it encounters in the original disk,
which can be either exasperatingly slow, or desirable if you're not
impatient. Details in their website and the "Radified" website which
has lots of other useful information
Ludovic Mirabel

"Lionel" wrote in message
...
George Minus Middius wrote :



Glad you took care of your situation using the tools God gave you.

And again you sound like McKelvy...

That's an opinion you get to have.