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Default Typical Kike on Gun Control

On 4/21/2013 6:18 AM, Mark Zacharias wrote:
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On Sat, 20 Apr 2013 17:54:49 +1000, Trevor Wilson
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On 4/20/2013 4:23 PM, G. Morgan wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:

**The US's problem is that the NRA has subverted their political
system.
A miniscule 4 million members of the NRA, effectively dictate gun
control laws (and other, related laws) in the US. The NRA acts
first and
formost in the interests of the firearms industry. They have no
interest
in public safety. Their sole interests lie in pushing firearms and
ammunition sales accross the US. Any politician who stands up to
the NRA
will cop a vicious, expensive and extended campaign of denigration.
Since the NRA is not, officially, a political organisation
(although it
operates within the political sphere), it is exempt from many of the
constraints that political organisations must operate within.

That US citizens seem to accept this evil organisation within their
midst, is difficult to understand. Many Americans appear to have been
comprehensively brainwashed. Perhaps it is their education system? I
don't know. Either way, one day the bulk of the US population will
'wake
up and smell the coffee' and the NRA will be brought to it's knees.

If you don't live here, and never been here; you don't know what the
****
you're talking about.

**Then I DO know exactly what I am talking about.


You wouldn't know logic if it hit you in the face. Obviously.

Feel free to pose a
logical argument, rather than engaging in pointless rhetoric.


You're certainly free to, sure. However you haven't yet.

BTW, we're also free to laugh at your inane arguments and lack of
logic.

How dare you sit there from the comfort of your
chair and insult our educational system.

**_I_ don't need to insult your education system. Here is an example
that does that all on it's own:



But you did anyway. Without the first clue.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creatio... United_States


Kinda says it all, really.


More absurd logic. Wiki taken as evidence. ...to be expected.

The PC you are using was
invented by Americans, as well as the means you are using to deliver
your
(ill informed) message.

**I never suggested that ALL Americans were stupid. Just a VERY large
number of them. At least 4 million, anyway.


Of 300 million, I'd love it if that were true.

"Their {NRA's} sole interests lie in pushing firearms and ammunition
sales accross [sic] the US" --- What a crock of ****, mate.

**Again, the facts are just that:


Bull****.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/brucerog...r-gun-control/


http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...s-in-6-charts/



You really are a dummy.


You really don't know *what* the NRA does, do you?

**I know what the NRA _CLAIMS_ to do. I also know what the NRA's main
aim is. That aim has nothing to do with shooting safety, gun owner's
education and other crap. It's main aim to ensure that more guns are
sold. It is (now) an industry lobby organisation, first and foremost.


No, you obviously don't.

And before you ask,
no - I'm not a member. If you'd like the truth, ask an American.

**I have. There are a surprisingly large number who are heartily sick of
the political meddling perpetrated by the NRA.


There
is no telling what garbage you read/watch in the media down there, they
have been brainwashing you apparently.

**I read local AND US media. I also read scholarly documents (both for
and against) on the issue. I even have a copy of John Lott Jnr's (or is
that Mary Rosh's - I get confused) book on one of my shelves. Do you?
What do you read on the issue?


Have you read John Lott's book? No, I didn't think so.

If you don't know something, it's
best not to comment and look like the fool you do right now. Geeze...

**Feel free to place a cogent argument.


We'll wait.


After you...



I don't care to even read all the posts on this subject. The arguments
have been made and re-made for decades.


**I will ask the question you failed to answer previously:

What part of:

"...well regulated militia..." do you not understand?



The U.S. Constitution is purposely designed so that short-term political
frenzy or emotion will be tempered by a slow-moving, methodical process
of amendment.


**And I will repeat:

The 2nd Amendment was written:

* At a time when reload times were measured in MINUTES, not milliseconds.
* At a time when accuracy of muzzle-loading weapons was inferior to a
bow and arrow.
* At a time when dangerous animals roamed free.
* At a time when a vicious colonial power ruled America.
* At a time when angry indigenous people roamed free.
* At a time when refrigeration was unheard of.

The 2nd Amendment is now several hundred years out of date. It was
written by slave owners and those fearful of wild animals, dangerous
indigenous people, angry slaves and a vicious colonial power. NONE of
which exists in the US today (in any significance).

You need to ask yourself what the US founding fathers would have made of
the weapons easily available on the streets and sporting goods stores of
the US today. Might they have added some additional conditions to the
2nd Amendment?

If the gun-grabbers think they have the political mojo to repeal the
second amendment,


**What are "gun-grabbers"? Please be precise in your definition. I can
find no reference in the usual places.


I say "knock yourself out". Go for it.
What a lot of people do not realize (or care about) is that ultimately,
the only thing that guarantees our First Amendment is in fact the Second
Amendment.


**Bull****. Here in Australia, we have no such thing as the 2nd
Amendment. Ownership of firearms is strictly and rigorously controlled
by the Federal and state governments. Indeed, when the last major
alterations were made of firearms laws, the Federal government that
pushed the states to adopt those laws, was returned to office THREE more
times (same Prime Minister). Such was the popularity of those laws, that
approximately 95% of the population supported those laws.

BTW: We also have freedom of speech. We are also free to travel anywhere
on the planet. Something US citizens are not free to do (legally).



By the way, I'm not really a gun nut. I don't think someone needs an
AR-15 to dispatch Bambi.

But the "slippery slope" is real.


**Sure. Look at how the NRA has subverted US politics. A mere 4 million
Americans get to dictate how the other 300 million have to live.

Time for a change.


--
Trevor Wilson www.rageaudio.com.au