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Dick Pierce
 
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(Sam Byrams) wrote in message . com...


In some cases we have. In others, we-actually "youse" since I don't
design speakers-have ****ed up really badly. FWIW not many people are
still mixing down or mastering on 604s, although several speakers are
in use the Genelec seems dominant.


If you think the mastering world consists of either 604s or Genelecs,
you ARE woefully out of touch.


What are the more popular mastering systems now? Who ( just a few
names) is using what?


My goodness, how out of touch are we? There are MANY mastering
systems in use: even what defines "mastering" is quite varied.
Mastering what? I counter.

WHat's in use runs the gamut from Aurotone boxes through grim little
POS like Yamaho NS-10 up through the rarified atmosphere of Wilson
and such. WOuld you contemplate using the same thing for monitoring
in a classical orchestral mastering suite as for top-ten pop?

If they used 604s in comething like UREI cabinets, then we can say
for certain, they heard something with a seriously bloated, woefully
underdamped, highly-distorted bottom end, a major midrange suckout as
that 15" struggled mightly to keep up with a tweeter that had a
monster peak at about 9 kHz and little above that.


Well may have!


Well did. They were pretty, uhm, "colored."


No, SOME people wanted. Not anywhere near enough to justify keeping
an inefficient, difficult-to-manage and money-losing manufacturing
line going. If you think there was ANY prayer ofthe product generating
a product, do you think ANY bean counter would kill it?


Assuming you meant "product generating a profit"-yes, I do,
absolutely, which is what I said. Unless the product is generating SO
MUCH net spendable as to make it politically unassailable, the small
cash cows are vulnerable not to accountants per se, but accountants
made managers, who then have to "make their bones". I said that as
clearly as I could, in fact.


And, in doing so, you demonstrated a rather unrealistic and nostalgic
view of the economics. when they were killed, 604's were no "cash cow."
Alnico was becoming frightfully expesivem the toolling was wearing out,
the machinery was old and tired and the whole line was a money loser.

They're not going to keep making them to do some tiny handful of people
a favor.


And you clearly missed this pojnt. Things like the 604 were killed
because they were LOSING money.


just as WE
willfully farted in the face of the Japanese who worship the 300B
triode and were willing to pay ridiculous sums for them.


As well we should. Have you any clue what the total annualized sales
of SE triode amplifiers are world-wide? Frankly, that fart is far more
substantial.


Probably the market from Japanese audiophiles for the 300B was ten
times or more larger than the existing market,


Right, what's ten times utter insignificance? More utter insignificance.
The total market for such today is extraordinarily TINY. How big do you
think it really is?

Hnoestly, I think you have gone from a nostalgic but unrealistic
technical standpoint to an equally nostalgic but unrealistic
economic one. The 604, by ANY objective technical measure, is a dog.
In addition, it become nearly impossible to manufacture because of
it's very age. And because of that, it was no cash cow, it was a dead
mule and was given the ignominious burial it so richly deserved.