[Arny Krueger]

"Sonnova" wrote in message

On Tue, 7 Jul 2009 08:07:28 -0700, Walker wrote
(in article ):

"Sonnova" wrote in message
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On Mon, 6 Jul 2009 03:43:11 -0700, Rockinghorse Winner
wrote (in article ):

Thanks for the straight forward analyses and debunking
the huge mass of bull**** in high-end. The rag I
subscribe to is one ecstatic review after another,
thus rendering any basis of comparison virtually nil.
Double blind
testing is the only way to go, IMO, but who's going to
fund it? The audio press? Not if the sales dept has
anything to say about it. The mfg's? What
are you smoking? Anyway, it is amusing reading the
reviews of speaker cables: completely opened up the
soundstage and revealed levels of detail I'd never
heard before. Oh, really, you don't say? LOL!

*R* *H*

Yeah, I don't understand why these rags still foster
the cable "myth". It should be common knowledge by now
that cables and interconnects all sound the
same. Yet I just read an article that suggested that
USB cables (used in computer audio playback) have a
"sound" and all are different! It's bad enough that
these rags perpetuate the myth that cables carrying
analog audio can have some effect on the sound, but USB cables
carrying ones and zeros? Gimme a break!

I met Kimber in SLC in 1979 and thought that he was a
nut case.

I know Ray. He does believe that cables have a "major
affect on the sound of one's system"

Actually, one knows not what he believes versus what he advertises.

but, on the other
hand, he did invent the IsoMike system and that's
certainly no myth.

Isomike is no myth but it is not really a new idea.

I was as much as skeptic as anyone until a few months
ago when a friend sent me two pairs of Panther
interconnects and one pair of Panther speaker cables
with a $600.00 price tag. He wouldn't accept a dime if I
didn't see an appreciable difference and I had to run
them for at least 100 hours before deciding. He had
persuaded me to build a system he designed that is
outstanding and I trust his opinion. I had nothing to
lose but I was also intrigued and had wanted to try
them. However, I wasn't convinced and was still ready to
debunk them. The last thing that I wanted to do was
spend $600 on a few cables.

So then Mr. Walker you did electrical measurements and blind listening
tests, and what did you find?

I ran them for over 100 hours and then switched back to
my old cables expecting to hear nothing different. I had
heard new things in some recordings and the overall bass
seemed tighter and bigger but I attributed it to more
intense listening as I was consciously judging them. I
was surprised and shocked to hear a remarkable
difference with the old cables and the terms of 'open
sound stage' and 'deeper bass' are totally relevant with
the new ones. You don't have to believe me and even if
you can convince me with medical devices that it's in my
head it's an improved sound and worth the money.

Sighted evaluations, no electrical measurements, the usual unsupported
opinion song-and-dance.

A lot of people get deluded this way, so you're not
alone.

It is not a delusion, it is an illusion. Delusion is a pathology, but
illusion is normal human behavior. Mr. Walker's perceptions are in the range
of normal human behavior, given that his evaluation methodology lacks a
great deal.

But believe me if you were to switch between your
old cables and the new ones in a double-blind evaluation,
you would not be able to tell one cable from the other.

Agreed.

No one ever has been able to it. You see, the properties
of wire are well known. Have been for decades. Between DC
and about 100KHz, there is nothing that you can do to
Interconnects less than 10 ft long or speaker cables less
than 25 ft long without external components added to them
that would affect the sound in any way.

If his old speaker cables were 24 gauge so-called "speaker cable", then he
might have even heard an actual difference.