From: dizzy
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 00:16:37 GMT
Dizzy reaches hard and grunts and groans and tries to make an argument.
He sadly fails miserably...
Oh,you're right. The 80 cent difference was referenced in the article
header directly below the picture. Sorry that you saw some
unintelligble symbols under the picture. They're called 'words.'
That's funny. In your last post you said to me "you know how to read
a picture, don't you"? Now you want to backpedal.
So you admit that you can't read. I'm OK with that. There are programs
designed to help people like you.
"Ethanol producers see opportunity in the current siege of high gas
prices. They're selling 85 percent ethanol far below the price of
gasoline, as much as 80 cents a gallon cheaper..."
http://news.minnesota.publicradio.or...eilm_e86sales/
That's the caption of the picture.
That's called 'heresay'.
Well, I told you what I personally am seeing at the pump, which you
chose not to believe. It's verified in the photo and caption. I
suppose the only way to 'prove' it to you is to have you come here and
to look for yourself. That's called 'ridiculous.' LOL! What a loser.
Yup. If you note in my response, I agreed that it was subsidized.
Then you admit that I'm right.
Yes. There is a subsidy. If you look, um, say, at the post in response
to yours, I said as much.
I also said that the tax subsidy to big oil is no different, and a
portion of what we send to the Middle East in foreign aid is also in
reality a subsidy to Big Oil. You snipped that one. Why? (Don't
worry, I already know...) LOL!
So you quote a refinery manager. Good that you pick an unbiased person
to quote... LOL!
I guess you think that everything in the article that supports your
case is unbiased, while everthing that questions it is biased.
Classic dishonest illogic.
We're really reaching now, Diz. I've been quoting the USDA, and
news outlets that would not have any outward bias for the most part.
You zero in on someone in the industry with a heavy bias. You really
want to talk about intellectual dishonesty and illogic? You must be
quite stupid if you do.
I think the subsidy is about 40 cents per gallon.
Oh, you "think", huh? Don't you have any photos that disprove your
point? LOL
Um, are you OK, Diz? You seem to be getting worked up about nothing. I
said that I think the subsidy is 40 cents per gallon. "Think" means
I'm not sure. If you are, then why not say what it is? The argument
here is not whether or not there is a subsidy. Here, let me tell you
again what I said in response to your original post: "And yes, there
does appear to be a government subsidy. But as the market grows, and
the technology matures, one would presume that those would go away."
I also said, "I also believe you have to look at some what we're
spending in the
Middle East as at least partially a fuel subsidy."
Again you concede that I was right all along. I wrote "There's no
freaking way it's that much cheaper, unless it's heavily
subsidized", to which you responded "Surprize! It is that much
cheaper."
I was right. You were wrong.
Well, here's actually what you wrote without the dishonest snipping:
"There's no freaking way it's that much cheaper, unless it's heavily
subsidized. In fact, I'd be surprised if it was cheaper at all, and
I've read that it takes more energy to produce the alcohol than what's
in the alcohol."
It's up the thread a bit if you want to verify that I haven't
altered it.
You were right on the subsidy, which I absolutely never disagreed with.
You can look at my response to your original message for 'proof.'
You were very wrong that ethanol takes more energy to produce than it
yields, which you interestingly have stopped talking about. And, sans
subsidy, it is *still* cheaper than regular gas. So you were wrong two
out of three times. The one you were right on I never disagreed with.
Nice try though.
If making several blanket statements and then choosing the one that I
never disagreed with (which also happens to be the *only* one you were
right about) constitutes 'victory' in your mind, then fine. You win!
LOL! So which oil company do you work for, Diz?
What an idiot.