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Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 00:21:13 GMT

My conscience is very clear as is the record on GW, mainly there is no
consensus and there is no proof.

You forgot about this:
http://www.nationalacademies.org/onpi/06072005.pdf

The national science academies of the 'G8' nations, plus three more,
(Germany, Brazil, the UK, the US, Russia, Japan, China, Italy, France,
India, and Canada) all agree. The signatories of Kyoto all agree. Oh,
yes, dear nob, there is consensus.

There consensus among scinetists is that we don't know enough about the
subject to make any sweeping recomendations.

A few contrarian scientists, who are
perhaps funded by conservative causes (like the 'scientist' from UCLA
you quoted about media bias recently), or who are from dubious websites
like 'junkscience' does not mean there isn't consensus.

It does, you just have chosen to believe the current liberal emergency.

And even the people you quote disagree with you. Remember saying the
American Meteorological Society thought GW was crap?

Man made GW. There is little doubt that some warming is going on, it's the
cause that's in dispute. The AMS says "At present, observations suggest, but
are insufficient to prove, that atmospheric warming caused by human
activities has already occurred."

Your categorizing junkscience.com as dubious is yours, it happens to be an
objective review of the current pseudo scientific crap that floats around,
essentially unchallenged.

a.. A Gallup survey indicated that only 17% of the members of the American
Meteorological Society and the American Geophysical Society thought the
warming of the 20th century was the result of an increase in greenhouse
gas
emissions.

Did you look at these? Care to comment?

http://www.ametsoc.org/amsnews/jointacademies.pdf

http://www.ametsoc.org/POLICY/climat...arch_2003.html

Seeing names like Houghton in the list of references does not bolster their
viewpoints.

Regarding your quoted Gallup poll, by the way
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scienti...climate_change):
"In a correction Gallup stated: "Most scientists involved in research
in this area believe that human-induced global warming is occurring
now."

That's like saying ost people involved in audio believe that there are vast
differences in amplifers even when they measure the same.

How dare you call me a propagandist. All I do is show where you have
lied or present flawed or outdated information.

And then spread propaganda.

You have no morals. You
are intellectually dishonest. You clearly do not understand how science
works. And you are a baseless liar to boot.

Projection is an ugly thing.

I've quoted people like Lindzen who is one of the formeost experts in the
field.
Disagree all you like, but saying this is settled and that there is
consensus is bull****.