[Steven Sullivan]

On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 12:24:02AM +0000, Steven Sullivan wrote:
Scott wrote:
On Jul 13, 4:15??am, Steven Sullivan wrote:
Scott wrote:

Nope. Straw man. ?And you should know better.
here are your words from this thread. "Audiophiles routinely claim
audible difference among classes of devices whose typical measured
performance does not predict audible difference -- CDPs and cables,
for example. (assuming level-matching for output devices, of course)."
You might want to check thse things before crying strawman. (note for
moderator: I am leaving all quotes in tact for sake of showing that
these were Steve's words in context)

What does the word 'typical' mean to you, Scott? Does it mean 'all'?


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Pronunciation:\??ti-pi-k??l\
Function:adjective
Etymology:Late Latin typicalis, from typicus, from Greek typikos, from
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Date:1609
1: constituting or having the nature of a type : symbolic
2 a: combining or exhibiting the essential characteristics of a group
typical suburban houses b: conforming to a type a specimen typical
of the species

Yay Google. Now, Scott, answer the question: does 'typical' mean 'all'?
E.g.:

"Typical suburban houses have a front lawn"
vs
"All suburban houses have a front lawn."


Please now and forever stop claiming the me, Arny, or any of the
other people you argue with about this over and over, claim that
*All* (X) sound *the same*. Thanks.

How can I stop something I am not doing? What does the word
"standard"
mean to you Steve? Is it something radically different than typical?


No, but they're both indubitably different from 'all'...which is what
you claim I'm saying.

So I ask again, please stop attributing views I never have espoused, and
never would espouse, to me.


After all this is what I said;
"You seem to have been claiming that standard meausurements predict
that all CDPs sound the same"
Your words once again....
"Audiophiles routinely claim audible difference among classes of
devices whose typical measured performance does not predict audible
difference -- CDPs and cables, for example. (assuming level-matching
for output devices, of course). "

So what are you saying now Steve that you were not suggesting that
audiophiles were and always have been wrong in their reports about
audible differences between CDPs?

No, I was not suggesting that they were and are *always* wrong... of course even a sighted
comparison can turn out to be 'right' , but it requires other methods to determine
it.

(Btw, 'routinely' doesn't mean 'always', either.)

Sure looks like that was what you
were saying.

Scott, maybe you aren't exactly the best judge of these things. Maybe others here
can chime in and say whether they had as much difficulty parsing my use of the
word 'typical' as you seem to.