[Bret L]

On Dec 30, 4:03*am, "Shhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
wrote:
On Dec 29, 11:46*pm, Bret L wrote:

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My question: why we are allowing people into this country who are
antithetical to our value system and heritage?"

That's easy. Because they're better educated and more motivated than
most of the people here. We're importing those people for their
skills, not their political views.

Most of them are not, although I concede that there are an inner core
which is.

Most H-1B tech visa holders have no practical experience and they
come from educational systems that are big on drill and rote. They are
more often than not people who went to the schools they attended
specifically because of the H-1B opportunities and they are most
definitely not held to the standards US IT workers are in recruiting.

For years, prior to the influx, US IT hiring was done on a ridiculous
basis of demanding outrageous micro-detailed experience requirements,
with companies sifting through thousands of resumes for the right buzz
words and allowing positions to stay empty for long periods of time,
churning through employees. No reasonable person could seek to prepare
themselves for employment in any rational fashion.

Good programmers have high cognitive skills, and understand the basic
concepts of coding in a couple or three representative languages well,
and the basic workflow of the tasks required. They can and do learn
new tools as required. What IT HR and recruiting people attached to
employers-many of which have never written one line of code themselves
and have never been asked to-demanded was something completely
different, they wanted someone with set (neither too much nor too
little) amounts of paid employment having done each of perhaps dozens
of separate, often unrelated, tasks.

With H-1B hires what they want is young college graduates who they
can treat as indentured servants, getting 80-100 hours a week out of
them, and expecting them to learn on the fly a good deal of what they
need to know. They generally do, and the company has its sense of
larceny stimulated in that they think they are getting over on
society.

But even conceding your point, which is true less often than not, it
doesn't matter if they are all Richard Stallmans. The needs of
society, any healthy society, to not be inundated with people
incompatible with that society ARE SENIOR TO the needs of corporations
to squeeze more profit out of their businesses.

Smart American kids are not attending EE/CS programs in the numbers
they otherwise would because they know that they will have to run the
H-1B gantlet when they graduate. The very top level people, the kind
people fancy MIT and Caltech turn out (they do, to an extent, but many
of those are actually not desireable employees inasmuch as there is a
fine line between genius and insanity) do okay, but everyone else
winds up looking for a sales engineering or support engineering job or
leaves engineering, or applies to professional school.

In other words, the guy who graduates in the first third but not the
top tenth at, say, Purdue-the traditional bread and butter of any
modestly sized company's engineering department-is ****ed.

Tax offshoring and get rid of H-1B and you will lose a few crappy
bottom feeder businesses, but you will make electrical engineering a
reasonable career choice for reasonably smart American kids. I really
don't believe you are too stupid to comprehend that, just too
Politically Correct. Or, a whore for some big corporation.