[Greg Wormald]

In article , jwvm
wrote:

By definition, what is thrown away is information
that is masked and so will not be perceived.

IMO, not quite. There is a further word that needs to be
included--"consciously" (between "be" and "perceived").

And since the unconscious mind does far more with input than the
conscious mind, it is entirely possible that the unconscious mind can
sense that something is missing and not be able to tell the conscious
mind exactly what it is.

Depending on the communication patterns between the conscious and
unconscious mind of the individual this difference may not be
communicated at all, or well, or immediately.

This may invalidate most of the standard double-blind testing regimes in
this area.

In article ,
Andrew Barss wrote:

Consider a visual analogy. You're mking a movie, and need to
have a set that looks like the White House. But only the front of the White
House
(from a range of angles, so it's the front, and parts of the sides), the Oval
Office, and
a few other administrative offices.

Someone then builds a demonstration, which is every part of the WH --
including many of the rooms,
the entire back side, the basement, etc. -- that your movie set didn't
include.

There would be a lot of building there, absolutely none of which would have
been relevant to the
replication of the WH in your movie.

Again, IMO, not quite.

What is missing from your analogy is that the ears actually received the
modified signal with the reduced information, while the camera did not.

So while your last paragraph works for the analogy, it doesn't for
perceptual coding.

.. . . . .
One of the issues I see come up in these debates is the lack of
appreciation of the processing power of the unconscious mind and the
difficulty it often has of making it's knowledge known to the conscious
mind.

This may go part way to explaining why some say "I hear it, it's
obvious." and others say "It's not there, tests show it isn't." Testing
what the unconscious mind knows is not simple in any way, and our
knowledge and understanding of how the unconscious mind works is still
in it's infancy.

IMO, if the unconscious mind, it's processing, and communications were a
matter of science, then psychotherapy would be science and mental
illness would have been eradicated.

As it is, psychotherapy is also an art form, and the 'curing' of mental
illness is highly dependent on the artistry of the therapist.

Music is also a art form.

Greg