[Patrick Turner]

Below, Flipper completetly refutes everything I said which I have seen
happen in films about fracking. in Oz, there are companies trying to
put in gas wells using fracking and guess what, local people and
farmers et all HATE THESE ****Z !!!!!!!

I KNEW Fipper would be sucked into what I said. I KNEW THIS WOULD
HAPPEN, so its pointless to argue with Flipper. He should have known
that I would have known.

But if Flipper's wife had got sick and couldn't drink the water from
the well, then perhaps it'd be a completely different story.
Maybe Fliiper owns shared in Haliburton ****z Incorporated.

Maybe Flipper thinks Dick ****in Cheney is a saint.

But I see the USA is in Deap ****te right now, arguments about
extending the borrowing limits go on, looming uncertainty, trillions
wasted in the ME, so watch out World!

And if the US has to impose austerity measures then expect all
environmental concerns that cost money to be abandoned.

Good luck America, you'll need it.

Patrick Turner.



rOn Jul 3, 3:31*pm, flipper wrote:
On Sat, 2 Jul 2011 05:59:28 -0700 (PDT), Patrick Turner

wrote:
Deary me, what a rant that guy does, but ppl voted for lots of those
ppl he wants deaded. Or if they didn't, they bought stuff made by
companies owned by them.

Anyway, while democracy is the way it is, **** will still happen. I
was appalled the other evening to see a documentary film

No, you saw hysterical propaganda that was 'called' a 'documentary'.

about the
vast number of gas wells being put into huge rural areas in the US.

Actually, the 'propaganda' cropped up when they expanded into more
populated areas.

Fracking has been going on since at least 1948.

The fracking used 496 chemicals

Crap. That is like saying your toothbrush 'uses' 496 kinds of plastic
because over the history of toothbrush manufacturing different types
by different manufacturers have used different plastics.

Out of all the fracking wells drilled over the past 60+ years there
may have been up to 496 'chemicals' used at one time or another but no
individual well uses "496 chemicals," the word itself a bugaboo term
since things like guar gum (the most commonly used 'additive'), an
emulsifier more commonly found in ice cream, are counted as
'chemicals'.

which poison water tables from which
ppl get their water.

Pure crap.

Fracking takes place thousands of feet below any formations that carry
potable water and is separated from them by thousands of feet of
impermeable rock.

People can't drink the water. Gas comes out the
water taps, plus a frightful toxic stink! People are getting sick,
animals too.

More crap. The alleged 'contaminated' examples were thoroughly
investigated by regulatory agencies and shown to NOT come from gas
well drilling but 'natural' sources.

The EPA was not allowed to regulate any of it.

Again, crap. The film asserts "“The energy task force, and $100
million lobbying effort on behalf of the industry, were significant in
the passage of the ‘Halliburton Loophole’ to the Safe Drinking Water
Act, which authorizes oil and gas drillers exclusively to inject known
hazardous materials, unchecked, directly into or adjacent to
underground drinking water supplies. It passed as part of the Bush
administration’s Energy Policy Act of 2005.”

Not a word of it is true.

In the first place, the Clean Water Act never, in it's entire
existence, applied to "fracking" so there was nothing to 'remove' nor
'loophole' to make. And that's because the Clean Water Act regulates
surface waters and surface discharge into surface waters.

Fracking takes place thousands upon thousands of feet underground and
thousands upon thousands of feet below any formations that carry
potable water so, since there is no 'discharge' into water, surface OR
underground, there is nothing to 'regulate' under the Clean Water Act.

Fracking is regulated by the States.

The idea that ANY form of legislation could pass the House, Senate,
and be signed by any Presidential, not to mention get past every State
regulatory agency in the country, which "authorizes oil and gas
drillers exclusively to inject known hazardous materials, unchecked,
directly into or adjacent to underground drinking water supplies" is
so patently absurd as to be enough on it's own to expose the film as
the fear mongering hokum bunkum crap it is.

Now they
want to frack vast areas in Oz to get gas and a **** fight is going on
here too. Just when ppl say how marvellous it'd be to use gas instead
of coal it seems many ppl will be trampled down. Dick Cheney and
Haliburton were mentioned often in the film.

Lots of pure crappola was "mentioned" in the film and the most
generous summary of it would be a classic case of "ignorant idiots
scaring the ignorant." But, considering the near trivial ease it is to
find the information they claim is 'unavailable', I'm not inclined to
be so generous.

Maybe the US is so near going broke it has to stop paying for oil
imports and go for whatever else it can, and if that means ****ing up
the environment to get gas, then I understand - another unsolvable
dilemna.

There is no 'dilemma' because the allegations are crap.



Sometimes I get ****ed about the status quo but I'm powerless.

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