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NYOB found a new prophet.
Because Sean Olive is one of the foremost experts in the field of audio
research. Even Ludovic knows this to be true. He and Floyd Toole, who
also
works at Harman, have done some of the best work in this area.
Poor, pathetic NYOB. His gurus, whenever they are short of an answer,
leave him to twist slowly in the wind all by his lonesome self. "Let
him make a fool of himself as only he knows how" they say. "
We'll come back when it is all over with and forgotten and we can
sing our incantations all over like new.
So after praising to the skies Sean Olive, who's done nothing to
deserve such followers, he says:" Is that the end of all such testing
on how loudspeakers sound, you insufferable twit?
One research example and the whole thing is inavild (his spelling) in
your mind?"
Forget the bad temper. I know how he must feel. After all a loudspeaker
testing more to his liking does not exist.. But Sean Olive
disappoints. Bad, bad Sean! He's not meeting our research
specialist's rigid criteria for a good test. He had only piddly 260+
listeners. That does not impress the demanding scientist NYOB.. He will
organize forthwith a much better test that no doubt will prove his and
his sect's leaders' point because if we heard it once we heard it a
hundred times: ABX is the only way to show subtle differences between
components.

Why do say that? It's never been my position. A DBT is the best way, but
ABX is only one form of DBT and not the only way to reveal subtle
differences.


Neither he nor one in his chapel managed as yet to give one
single reference to a simple request (I recopy one of a dozen
challenges.).
"Of course as I said before I would love to see one of your "many"
references to positive DBT/ABX tests by most of a panel of say 10
audiophiles. ...After all there must be SOME comparable audio
components out there that will sound different to a small panel. Even
when they are ABXing."
The best answer so far: "We have none because cables , amps, preamps,
dacs, cdplayers are so good that they all sound the same"
But count on NYOB to give the answer worthy of a school-kid caught
lying:
" Not everything, as you've been shown many times (notice "many"
standing for "none") before. When the
differences are audible, people hear them in ABX tests"
"Shown many times" means of course " I said the same many times
before" and still NO REFERENCE- from him or anyone else. Unless you
count copying a stack of irrelevant Public Library topic entries as
reference.

All the documents I've posted are from the web, perhaps with a little effort
on your part, maybe even an e-mail to Sean Olive, your answers might be
found.



A couple of years ago I challenged Arny Krueger to prove that ABX will
work testing loudspeakers. He could not contain his hilarity: ""No
point in testing. They are so obviously different that it would be a
waste of time" (I'm paraphrasing from memory but if challenged will
find the exact quote)
And now Sean Olive did exactly that. He used just DBT. Lo and behold-
the majority of panelists had problems with recognizing differences but
when not bothered with that knew what they liked.

One of the results of this test was that it was found that when asked for a
preference, the listeners always chose more accurate speakers over lesser
ones.

The chapel did not
like the result. No doubt they would do better using ABX- instead of
the simple unsophisticated DBT.

You're making things up again.

Go to it fellows- improve on poor,
lost Sean Olive. NYOB is waiting for his reference so that he does not
have to copy the Public Library index entries again.
Ludovic Mirabel
NYOB, I wish you'd stop sending me to speak to Sean Olive. Answering
one query of yours does not make him your pal to send people to
without his authorization. A) Stupid move B) Bad manners.

Actually he's answered several questions I've asked him.
Why not grow some balls and send a respectful e-mail to him and see what
happens?
What are you afraid of?

On the reason why it's so hard to find positive results from an ABX
comparison of SS equipment, think of medica; testing. If you test the same
medication over and over, you expect to get the same results from every
test. Since SS equipment can easily perform flat from 20 Hz to 20KHz it's
like testing aspirin over and over and over. Nothing changes.



Thanks for admitting that you are scared ****less of getting the answers you
claim you want.